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[CybAnt1]

You know, I don't often pay much attention to the Thedan calendar. (Yes, I know what the right term is there. It's pointlessly longer to write. Move on.)

 

This is a game where dialogue and events and whatnot don't typically reference it. I'm still figuring out how Thedans write years/dates and their whole system of epochs. (8:35 Munchkin Age. Etc.) But now I'm talking about the sidereal calendar. 

 

But I was looking at the Old gods Wiki just now, and noticing that there is a connection between them and the calendar. Well, that would make sense. Our world's calendar is based on the Roman Empire, and Thedas' is on Tevinter's. 

 

Dumat (Wiki sez):

 

There was a holiday dedicated to Dumat back in the times when the Old Gods were still widely revered. It was called "Funalis" but this holiday is now known as All Soul's Day and is spent in somber remembrance of the dead. It is celebrated at the beginning of Matrinalis.

 

Zazikel (Wiki sez):

 

Originally, the holiday of Satinalia was dedicated to Zazikel, although in modern Thedas, it is referred to the second moon Satina. This holiday is accompanied by wild celebration, the wearing of masks, and naming the town fool as ruler for a day. In Antiva, Satinalia lasts for a week or more, while a week of fasting follows. Satinalia is celebrated at the beginning of Umbralis.

 

Andoral (Wiki sez):

 

There was a holiday in Tevinter Imperium dedicated to Andoral back in the times when the Old Gods were still widely revered. It was called "Andoralis" but this holiday is now known as Summerday and is celebrated as the beginning of summer, a time for joy and, commonly, marriage. It is celebrated at the beginning of Molioris.

 

Urthemiel (Wiki sez):

 

There was a holiday dedicated to Urthemiel back in the times when the Old Gods were still widely revered. It was called "Urthalis" but this holiday is now known as Wintersend and is dedicated to the Maker. It is celebrated at the beginning of Pluitanis.

 

[end]

 

OK. Well, All Soul's day is more or less what we've come to call today Halloween in our world (actually it's really the eve before) in our world. But it seems to have kind of been a harvest/autumnal/Fall celebration - though a bit apart from September 21st, the autumnal equinox. 

 

Satinalia is plainly and obviously a slight modification of (Roman) Saturnalia, celebrating the god/planet Saturn (although it was also connected to the sun, Sol Invictus), and usually celebrated around the winter solstice, Dec. 21st. 

 

Summerday is clearly connected to Midsummer's Eve/Day, which we usually celebrate in this world around June 21st, the summer solstice. 

 

So my guess is Wintersend would seem to be saying goodbye to or sending away winter, rather than commemorating its beginning, so that might correspond to March 21st, the vernal equinox, i.e. beginning of spring. 

 

OK. So yes, maybe this all detailed in World O' Thedas, which I've never read, but I guess I'm figuring out just now, that at least four of the Old gods seem connected to the seasons and the pagan celebrations of their beginnings/endings, and that even Andrastians are apparently still celebrating holidays based on celebrations originally connected to the old gods. 

 

... which analogizes to our real world, but I digress.

 

... what does this have to do with anything? If you're not a lore-head, I guess not much. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Knight of Dane]

 

OK. Well, All Soul's day is more or less what we've come to call today Halloween in our world (actually it's really the eve before) in our world. But it seems to have kind of been a harvest/autumnal/Fall celebration - though a bit apart from September 21st, the autumnal equinox. 

 

 

*Your world.

 

I don't know anyone that celebrates Halloween, either in England or Denmark. ( Though I don't doubt it's here a bit )

[Heimdall]

I'm more interested in the comment that Thedas has two moons. Has that come up anywhere else?

[CybAnt1]

Hmmm. Has anybody looked up at the sky and seen both moons? (Screenshot incoming?) (Would they be in the sky at the same time?)

 

That's another lore thing I just noticed myself. 

 

http://thedas.net/in...title=Locations

 

Thedas is a vast continent in the southern hemisphere of a planet with two moons; Luna and Satina (which the great holiday takes its name from).

 

[end]

 

Well, now, dang, if I had read that, I would have answered my own "south of the equator"/"southern hemisphere" question earlier. 

 

​Anyway, Satinalia seems named after the 2nd moon (which is interesting, as real-world Saturnalia was connected to Saturn and the Sun).

 

The stuff about making a fool/peasant/jester king for a day for Satinalia - well, that's a double flip, as in our world that typically happened at Carnaval (the predecessor of Fat Tuesday/Mardi Gras) - usually closer to the springtime. Of course, masks are often worn at Halloween --- or Mardi Gras. 

 

You know, I'm going to go off topic in my own thread and wonder about one more thing:

 

Does World of Thedas talk about what you can see in the night sky from Thedas besides the two moons? Planets? Constellations? Obviously, their four-season solar calendar is more or less like our four-solar season year. 

 

No, I'm not trying to figure out where in the universe it is so Shepard can get there in his spaceship. 

[Knight of Dane]

A month in Thedas is probably the time span between mage killings.

[CybAnt1]

OK, forgive me, but I'm just going to dump the entire Calendar entry at DA-Wiki here. Because, it's kinda as new to me as it may be to many of you.

 

And for those of you who are like, don't care, well skip this thread. 

 

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Calendar

 

The calendar in Thedas consists of twelve thirty-day months. Furthermore, the majority of Thedas, from Tevinter to Ferelden, celebrates five major holidays, each tied to the transition of a season or, in the case of First Day, the beginning of a new year. Although each month has a name in the language of Ancient Tevinter, the people of Ferelden commonly use the "low" names. The Tevinter names are listed first, followed by the more common name for the month.

 

The system was developed in the early years of the Tevinter Imperium and was influenced by the elves.[1]

 

Contents[show]

 

List of Months and Holidays Edit

The five holidays, or annums, take place at the beginning of the month within which they fall.

 

1st month: Verimensis / Wintermarch (Annum: First Day)

2nd month: Pluitanis / Guardian (Annum: Wintersend)

3rd month: Nubulis / Drakonis

4th month: Eluviesta / Cloudreach

5th month: Molioris / Bloomingtide (Annum: Summerday)

6th month: Ferventis / Justinian

7th month: Solis / Solace

8th month: Matrinalis / August (Annum: All Soul's Day)

9th month: Parvulis / Kingsway

10th month: Frumentum / Harvestmere

11th month: Umbralis / Firstfall (Annum: Satinalia)

12th month: Cassus / Haring

 

[snip here except for one holiday we haven't discussed yet]

 

First Day 

The traditional start of the year, this holiday involves visits to neighbors and family (in remote areas, this was once an annual check to ensure everyone was alive), as well as a town gathering to commemorate the year past, accompanied by drinking and merriment.

 

[end]

 

OK, so it's in their First Month, too. That's New Year's Day. 

 

BTW, there's additional info on All Soul's Day here.

 

All Soul’s Day 

 

Once called “Funalis” and dedicated to Dumat, the Old God of Silence. However, since Dumat’s rise during the First Blight, Thedosians turn a blind eye to any old ties between the day and the dragon. The holiday is now known across Thedas as All Soul’s Day and spent in somber remembrance of the dead. In some northern lands, the people dress as spirits and walk the streets in parade after midnight. The Chantry uses the holiday to remember the death of Andraste, with public fires that mark her immolation and plays that depict her death. It is celebrated at the beginning of Matrinalis.

 

[end]

 

Come on, Bio. Have we seen anybody celebrating these holidays in-game yet? I only ask because they sound cool. 

[Knight of Dane]

Cuz magic

[Arcanis]

I don't understand...how come two moons making 12 month a year?

Either the two moons are parallel, or one of them is larger (and thus used for numbering days)

or their month have nothing to do with the moons at all.

 

They could be determined by another planet, 12 constellations that appear, major religious feasts

or maybe it was an elvhen idea and has something to do with their magic or culture..

There are lots of possibilities and "month" is English, not any Thedesian language,thus any etymology

of the word itself is useless.

[drake heath]

Two moons?

 

Then why do I only see one moon in the game?

[St. Victorious]

The second moon was stolen by Gru. Duh.

[Nuloen]

I don't understand...how come two moons making 12 month a year?

month is defined by moon phases(used to) so it doesnt matter which one it is if they have same trajectory

if they dont then i think the closer one will define month

[myahele]

The 2 moons is news to me. I'm guessing one of the moon is smaller than the other and maybe revolves around the other moon?

[whogotsalami]

Two moons?

 

Then why do I only see one moon in the game

 

 

Retconning?

[CybAnt1]

Generally, there does usually seem to be only one moon in the sky. Thing is, my guess is, the previous games, without a true night cycle, probably did not have it move through the sky. It stayed in a fixed position. This seems to be a screenshot of one night scene from Kirkwall from DA2. 

 

[Heimdall]

Retconning?

The IP went through quite a few reworks before anything went into production as I understand it. I wouldn't be surprised if they just forgot.

[Silfren]

If Thedas have two moons...no wonder the gravity suck...

 

Seriously, i not even sure Thedas have 7 days a week, 29-30 days a "month", 365 days a year...now since Thedas have two moons, how month is calculated?

 

In real world, our one month is the complete circle of our one and only moon in the orbit....

 

Well, there's no reason why months have to be calculated by moon cycles at all.  Most standard calendars in the real world certainly don't correspond to moon cycles any longer.  

 

The short answer, beyond that, is that the Devs used a convenient real-world model for a time and date system because that's a HELL of a lot easier to do than make one up whole cloth, especially when the main reason it is needed is to help form the chronology of the world.  So they just relied on the readily available concept that most people are already familiar with, and went from there.  Again, just because we in the real world originally developed the concept of the month based on lunar cycles doesn't mean that that's the ONLY way to do it. 

[metatheurgist]

I think it is something that the fantasy games writer never think of...

Let say both moons are circling in the orbit not in the same way, but opposite way....or one of the two is slow orbiting....

It is illogical both moons swimming together in the orbit...it against physic...but well...it's fantasy....

Multiple moons are a reality, not fantasy. Dragonlance had 3 moons with different orbital periods and they even had in game effects for different alignments.

[CybAnt1]

Many planets in our own solar system have multiple moons.

 

Jupiter and Saturn have around 60 each.

 

http://www.windows2u...oons_table.html

 

Of course, they're very big planets. 

 

Hmmm. Ultima's planet "Brittannia" had two moons - Trammel and Felucca.

 

http://ultima.wikia.com/wiki/Moons

 

As I recall, their position also controlled whether "moon gates"were open or closed.

 

Hmmmmm. I just had another thought about DA:I, but it might need to be coherent to be expressed. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Evidently one of the moons of Thedas has a 30 days rotation around Thedas. Either that, or the Thedosian month is calculated some other way... Why again is this being discussed?

[Jack Druthers]

Here's an example for those who are unclear:The events of Awakening begin six months after the conclusion of DA, specifically on the seventeenth of ^]Ferventis.^[3]

[Examurai]

Does anyone remember if you could even see two moons at the camp in DA:O? That and Ostagar are the only time I remember a night cycle has actually occured in the game.

[Jack Druthers]

Only one moon that I could see in camp, looking up takes a bit of angle shifting on my PC.

This is from the trailer - if that is a Moon, isn't it a bit close?

http://static1.wikia...ept_Art_14.jpeg

[Petr0nella]

The stuff about making a fool/peasant/jester king for a day for Satinalia - well, that's a double flip, as in our world that typically happened at Carnaval (the predecessor of Fat Tuesday/Mardi Gras) - usually closer to the springtime. Of course, masks are often worn at Halloween --- or Mardi Gras.

Actually this is probably based on European traditions of the Feast of Fools (loosely based on the original Roman festival of Saturnalia), and associated tradition of the Boy Bishop, both of which occurred in December.

[Examurai]

I think I would have remembered that had I seen it.

Hmm... thought so. I think I'd remember as well if there was two moons up in that night sky. But who would want to see the sky when you got companions to focus on.