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[SerCambria358]

Can I have a source of that? if that is true I guess this is going to be more disappointing that I would expect. Oh well guess I am playing female elve than.

Lol but you havent even seen the qunari yet

[Giant ambush beetle]

Can I have a source on that? if that is true I guess this is going to be more disappointing that I would expect. Oh well guess I am playing female elf than.

 

Yeah its true, I think Mike Laidlaw mentioned that @ twitter. 

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Honestly, expecting more than one body type doesn't make sense. It'd probably be a nightmare to implement, considering how dependent the game is on cutscenes. Having to change all relevant cutscenes to account for, say, 16 at the least (2 body types per gender) different BTs as opposed to 8 would be difficult. Not to mention... how many people would actually use the huge muscle-lady bodies? To be honest, probably not many. People like playing "hot" characters, even if they don't really make sense.

*glares at skinny FemShep*

Though, I do still hold some small bit of hope they'll make female qunari more muscular. But, what we'll see is likely more akin to the Norn screenie. 

[Mihura]

Lol but you havent even seen the qunari yet

 

For DA:I no but all points for a more human female version and since I cannot edit the body (which I am not sure, I need a source on that), I probably cannot choose or make the body I want. Since elves are my second favorite race to play and look a lot more close for both genders, it is perfect. Of course they could go all out with the female qunari but i have no faith in that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can I have a source on that? if that is true I guess this is going to be more disappointing that I would expect. Oh well guess I am playing female elf than.

Sadly, I cannot. It was a post in a thread of the old BSN a few weeks ago which name I do not recall. Sorry.

[SerCambria358]

For DA:I no but all points for a more human female version and since I cannot edit the body (which I am not sure, I need a source on that), I probably cannot choose or make the body I want. Since elves are my second favorite race to play and look a lot more close for both genders, it is perfect. Of course they could go all out with the female qunari but i have no faith in that. 

They've mentioned it being a missed opportunity if they just made a sexy human with horns in the pax panel, but only time will tell 

[Mihura]

They've mentioned it being a missed opportunity if they just made a sexy human with horns in the pax panel, but only time will tell 

 

About the triangular shape being in investigation to the female qunari like an athlete? Well that could work but more in the human side because the male qunari  looks a lot like a body builder.

 

I am complain about qunari because that was probably my first choice for the game but the other races are not that better. If they tone down the male sure but otherwise I will probably never gonna to be satisfied without some kind of option to edit muscle mass and fat. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Why can't anyone be grateful anymore.

 

"I'm sad because I get to play a qunari after 2 games and asking for it but it doesn't look 100% how I want it to so I hate it"

 

Really?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Make a female Qunari that looks good then give her femhawkes run animation, the reaction would be funny.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Why can't anyone be grateful anymore.

I'll never be grateful for stupid and completely unnecessary design choices.

[no longer silent]

Strength, intelligence and (physics defying boobs) obedience seems like something the qunari would bred for. They can't control if the child is a boy or a girl but they can control breding partners, like a highly regimented survival of the fittest program. They, and they likely being priests, decide who is partnered up with who and breding the next generation of qunari is an honour.

 

An amazon build for female qunari seems logical and I'm hoping they do something facially to differentiate qunari from human women- sharp cheekbones or something, it works for TES elves. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'll never be grateful for stupid and completely unnecessary design choices.

 

I'm sure you won't

[SerCambria358]

I'll never be grateful for stupid and completely unnecessary design choices.

They're stupid and unnecessary because you don t like them?

[Giant ambush beetle]

They're stupid and unnecessary because you don t like them?

I think inequality is a stupid and unnecessary design choice. The only reason why Bioware hesitates to make the females more unique and less like -average catwalk model- looking is because they want them to be sexeh at all costs because sex sells.

And last but not least making a female model of a unique race look almost exactly like a female human is a bad design choice. Whats the point in playing an other race then? Remember, we're not even getting racial origins. 

Thats sad, stupid and also boring.

[SerCambria358]

I think inequality is a stupid and unnecessary design choice. The only reason why Bioware hesitates to make the females of other races more unique looking is because they want them to be sexeh at all costs because sex sells.
Thats sad, stupid and also boring.

You make conclusions based on your own assumptions. If bioware's main focus in females was their sex appeal, the designs of females would be much different. You can not look at the females in dragon age and say "sexiness" was their priority. If so, then you know nothing about design

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think inequality is a stupid and unnecessary design choice. The only reason why Bioware hesitates to make the females more unique and less like -average catwalk model- looking is because they want them to be sexeh at all costs because sex sells.

And last but not least making a female model of a unique race look almost exactly like a female human is a bad design choice. Whats the point in playing an other race then? Remember, we're not even getting racial origins. 

Thats sad, stupid and also boring.

 

So If I look on the forums right now, I won't find people who find the elves, humans, dwarves, and qunari males sexy? That has to be what you're saying if the females are being treated with inequality because they are sexy, as you put it. So it must stand to reason that nobody finds the male variants of the different races sexy, and that only the females are sexy and that that is why they are put into the game. Not that both the males and females are sexy to different players, and making body models can cost a lot of money. And what exactly do you mean by racial origins? Each race and class will have their own backstory, which is more then what we were going to get when they thought it was going to be human only PC's.

 

It's just one showing of ingratitude after another given the changes bioware has been making to the games directly because of player input and done for the players.

[Giant ambush beetle]

You make conclusions based on your own assumptions. If bioware's main focus in females was their sex appeal, the designs of females would be much different. You can not look at the females in dragon age and say "sexiness" was their priority. If so, then you know nothing about design

 
Bioware has a past of making design decisions solely for the reason ''Sex sells''. Say, have you played the mass Effect series? I'm totally sure there was a practical reason for all the skintight swimsuits on humans and even robots, huge cleavages, butt-shots, the sudden sexing up of characters, Alien races that look exactly like sexed up humans etc etc. Just coincidences I guess.
And have you seen a female DA character with a less-than-ideal body?
 

So If I look on the forums right now, I won't find people who find the elves, humans, dwarves, and qunari males sexy?

Sure, but it was definitely not the main focus of the designers, the male versions of the races vary greatly compared to the female variants that all not-so-roughly share the same physical features / body build that is considered attractive for the broad masses.
 

It's just one showing of ingratitude...

Oh give it a rest, being critical has nothing to do with the lack of gratitude.

[Sylvianus]

What I find interesting is that the male qunari very muscular isn't considered like " sexiness ", ideal body, etc. 

[SerCambria358]

 
Bioware has a past of making design decisions solely for the reason ''Sex sells''. Say, have you played the mass Effect series? I'm totally sure there was a practical reason for all the skintight swimsuits on humans and even robots, huge cleavages, butt-shots, the sudden sexing up of characters, Alien races that look exactly like sexed up humans etc etc. Just coincidences I guess.
And have you seen a female DA character with a less-than-ideal body?

Im speaking in terms of DA, all the females of a given race have the same body model, so that question is irrelevant. If attractiveness was the priority then dwarf women wouldnt look the way they do, elf women wouldnt look the way they did in DA2, most human women arent even "sexed up" with the exception of Isabella although thats an aspect of her character. You're jumping the gun on this issue and making assumptions on the qunari design too early and based on ME rather than looking at this as its own game

[SerCambria358]

What I find interesting is that the male qunari very muscular isn't considered like " sexiness ", ideal body, etc. 

Because muscle equals strength and is relevant, making a womans breasts big along with her butt, arent really relevant or necessary 

[Sylvianus]

Because muscle equals strength and is relevant, making a womans breasts big along with her butt, arent really relevant or necessary 

 

And ? That's still sexiness and what can love watching heterosexual women. I remember all those fangirls squeeing over the different forums about the shirtless qunari and their muscles. Whether it equals to strength doesn't matter. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

 
Oh give it a rest, being critical has nothing to do with the lack of gratitude.

 

You're not being critical, you're just being a whiner. You aren't explaining why any of your qualms against bioware are bad, nor giving evidence to actually back up your claims, or offering criticism outside of "I don't like that" and then getting angry when people find it funny.

[SerCambria358]

And ? That's still sexiness and what can love watching heterosexual women. I remember all those fangirls squeeing over the different forums about the shirtless qunari and their muscles. Whether it equals to strength doesn't matter. 

Ok? Regardless of whether people find it attractive, large muscles actually have a purpose

[Cainhurst Crow]

And ? That's still sexiness and what can love watching heterosexual women. I remember all those fangirls squeeing over the different forums about the shirtless qunari and their muscles. Whether it equals to strength doesn't matter. 

 

Need I remind people of varrics chest hair? An open shirt is an open target for archers but nobody seemed to level the argument that he should cover up and start wearing armor like they do female characters.

[Brass_Buckles]

So If I look on the forums right now, I won't find people who find the elves, humans, dwarves, and qunari males sexy? That has to be what you're saying if the females are being treated with inequality because they are sexy, as you put it. So it must stand to reason that nobody finds the male variants of the different races sexy, and that only the females are sexy and that that is why they are put into the game. Not that both the males and females are sexy to different players, and making body models can cost a lot of money. And what exactly do you mean by racial origins? Each race and class will have their own backstory, which is more then what we were going to get when they thought it was going to be human only PC's.

 

It's just one showing of ingratitude after another given the changes bioware has been making to the games directly because of player input and done for the players.

 

While I don't agree with Woldan's somewhat sour attitude about the whole thing--and as I've said before, I'm not going to get too worked up regardless how Bioware presents female qunari because if I decide I don't like them I'll play something else--there is a certain degree of inequality in how male and female characters are portrayed.  Female models are generally made to be slender and busty.  And okay, you know, I don't usually want my avatar to be ugly--in some cases, sure, but not generally.

 

While Bioware's generally better about this than most gaming companies, you don't see too many male characters showing off their assets by barely wearing clothing.  You know, like Morrigan or Isabella or the qunari concept art and comics.  If you do, they are huge, bulky sorts and most of us ladies don't consider that eye candy.  Shirtless Alistair is even a bit too bulky for my personal tastes.  The mages have the most attractive build in DA:O to me--not to all women I'm sure.  But the point is, we don't get eye candy.  Men do.  That's not equality.

 

Then you see this huge, bulky guy--the qunari model--and the female of the race basically has the same body shape and type as Isabella, which doesn't match the male at all.  She doesn't have to look hideous.  She doesn't have to have a massive thick neck.  But for crying out loud at least give her more heft and bulk, because qunari ladies do hard physical labor like blacksmithing and masonry and even farming (which is by no means easy or light work).  And, her facial features should also somewhat match the male's--again, it doesn't have to be outrageous, but a bit craggier face, and somewhat larger (or player selectable) horns would be nice.

 

Okay, I get it, you want to argue eugenics.  Eugenics could have been used in the real world, except that people tried to breed out traits like skin color by sterilizing people who had nothing actually wrong with them.  Then someone realized that this was horribly wrong to do to people because freedom.  And yes, you can breed for super-feminine females and super-masculine males--I believe in certain breeds of cattle people do that.  But if you're expecting the females do do hard physical labor, you'd probably want absolutely everyone to be bred to be strong, so there goes your argument.  And if you want to advance society, you also want them to be smart.  Do you then have a smart caste and a strong caste?  I don't see that happening with qunari society, though perhaps it's because I haven't read the books or comics.

 

And let's not forget that genetics is a pointless argument in terms of Thedas because if you have an elf mother and a human father, you aren't half elf, you're human.  So you could have two of the strongest qunari get together and they'd have a weak, sickly child still--or a magically inclined child, for that matter.

 

I'm honestly tired of this argument.  There's nothing wrong with wanting the female qunari to match the males a bit better.  It's not unreasonable.  And no, when they are made super-sexy while the males are leaning toward "monstrous," there's no equality there.  Do not pretend that the female qunari art doesn't look the way it does because of sex appeal when most (not all, but most) women likely do not find the males attractive.  If you like the sexy look, that is great for you.  I think it's just okay, and that the qunari female should be considerably more muscular, like that one barbarian someone posted above but with smaller breasts.  Thicker waist, thicker thighs and upper arms, thicker neck but not so thick that it slopes to the shoulders like the males--still female shaped and obviously she doesn't have to be ugly to be muscular.  But this is probably never, ever going to come to fruition for one reason--because certain people will complain that men will not find her attractive, even if the added muscle bulk etc. is not outrageous and even if she's still very curvy.  Which is unfortunate, because if I'm playing a race that isn't human, maybe, just maybe, I am going to want that race to not look precisely like the humans.