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[Giant ambush beetle]

You're jumping the gun on this issue and making assumptions on the qunari design too early and based on ME rather than looking at this as its own game

Its not my fault if you can't read, I clearly stated BIOWARE has a past with questionable sex-sells design choices. If you want DA examples I'll now mention giant boob cups on armor, highlighted boobs on mage robes, super-hip-swing Hawke - features that served no other purpose than sex-sells. The male armors and robes didn't have pronounced penis cups nor did they highlight biceps and other features that are considered attractive on males.
 

You're not being critical, you're just being a whiner. You aren't explaining why any of your qualms against bioware are bad, nor giving evidence to actually back up your claims.

If you want me backing up my claims than maybe you should re-read my posts. Seems like you are the whiner.

[Sylvianus]

Ok? Regardless of whether people find it attractive, large muscles actually have a purpose

 

You don't seem to understand. People are arguing that the sexiness is only for the female qunari ? Really ? How about no ? I can say I was totally tired seeing all those shirtless qunari in kirkwall. For me the male Qunari were also too oversexualized. and I'm pretty sure that a lot of mens can feel the same. 

 

Yep, muscles have a purpose. You didn't see yet the female Qunari and yet here you are, screaming over something you never saw.  I'm pretty sure the female Qunari will have muscles too. But if there's sexiness for male qunari, yep it should be the same for the female qunari. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Its not my fault if you can't read, I clearly stated BIOWARE has a past with questionable sex-sells design choices. If you want DA examples I'll now mention giant boob cups on armor, highlighted boobs on mage robes, super-hip-swing Hawke - features that served no other purpose than sex-sells. The male armors and robes didn't have pronounced penis cups nor did they highlight biceps and other features that are considered attractive on males.

Well...they did create an entire race of bobybuilders whose armor scheme is to show off those muscles.

[SerCambria358]

Its not my fault if you can't read, I clearly stated BIOWARE has a past with questionable sex-sells design choices. If you want DA examples I'll now mention giant boob cups on armor, highlighted boobs on mage robes, super-hip-swing Hawke - features that served no other purpose than sex-sells. The male armors and robes didn't have pronounced penis cups nor did they highlight biceps and other features that are considered attractive on males.

Oh im sorry i thought this was a DA forum therefore thats what im mentioning. So those small details are what bothered you? If your issue is that only women get those design choices, your leaving out the qunari who are all literally shirtless, Fenris is another example of male sex appeal, and all the sleeveless outfits for men are just the same. If you're worried about this carrying over to DA:I, we've seen nothing to imply that these design choices will carry over, look at both cassandra and vivienne, no cleavage or breast cupped armor pieces. Your issue is with the past, again look at DA:I as its own game

[Sylvianus]

Need I remind people of varrics chest hair? An open shirt is an open target for archers but nobody seemed to level the argument that he should cover up and start wearing armor like they do female characters.

 

When it's varric, it all awesome. When it's Morrigan. Bioware sucks. 

[SerCambria358]

You don't seem to understand. People are arguing that the sexiness is only for the female qunari ? Really ? How about no ? I can say I was totally tired seeing all those shirtless qunari in kirkwall. For me the male Qunari were also too oversexualized. and I'm pretty sure that a lot of mens can feel the same. 

 

Yep, muscles have a purpose. You didn't see yet the female Qunari and yet here you are, screaming over something you never saw.  I'm pretty sure the female Qunari will have muscles too. But if there's sexiness for male qunari, yep it should be the same for the female qunari. 

Lol 1.) im the one saying we havent seen qunari yet to make judgments

2.)You cant scream through text

3.)I agree 

[Brass_Buckles]

Sylvianus, you're missing something--most of us ladies do not consider those overly sized muscles to be attractive.  And shirtlessness in males, at least in Western culture, doesn't have the same connotations as scantily clad females.  Guys go jogging shirtless all the time, regardless what shape they are in.

 

I don't personally find qunari males sexy because they are far too muscular.  Neither do I find pro wrestlers or bodybuilders attractive.  Some people do and that's great for them, but I think you'd find me more along the lines of the average female--most of us prefer a lither, slimmer build.  This is probably in part because that kind of build is not natural, and maybe it's also a bit of an adverse reaction because in the real world people with that kind of build are very focused on their own body image and machismo, which would make them a poor choice for a mate--more interested in themselves than they ever could be in a woman.

 

Qunari males are all about looking powerful, and that's part of the reason I think so many guys wanted to be able to play them.  They were not added in as eye candy for women even if a handful of ladies thought it was great.

[SerCambria358]

Sylvianus, you're missing something--most of us ladies do not consider those overly sized muscles to be attractive.  And shirtlessness in males, at least in Western culture, doesn't have the same connotations as scantily clad females.  Guys go jogging shirtless all the time, regardless what shape they are in.

 

I don't personally find qunari males sexy because they are far too muscular.  Neither do I find pro wrestlers or bodybuilders attractive.  Some people do and that's great for them, but I think you'd find me more along the lines of the average female--most of us prefer a lither, slimmer build.  This is probably in part because that kind of build is not natural, and maybe it's also a bit of an adverse reaction because in the real world people with that kind of build are very focused on their own body image and machismo, which would make them a poor choice for a mate--more interested in themselves than they ever could be in a woman.

 

Qunari males are all about looking powerful, and that's part of the reason I think so many guys wanted to be able to play them.  They were not added in as eye candy for women even if a handful of ladies thought it was great.

You're generalizing a whole community based on your own dislike in the bodybuilder type body, many people went crazy over the qunari body type

[Brass_Buckles]

You're generalizing a whole community based on your own dislike in the bodybuilder type body, many people went crazy over the qunari body type

 

No, I'm referring to the fact that studies have been done on this.  Women in general do prefer a slimmer build, more along the lines of the DAO or DA2 mages and Fenris.  While some prefer bodybuilders they are not by any means the majority.  Men tend to assume that we think that look is hot, but if we did, there would be a lot more female fans of pro wrestling than there are.

[Cainhurst Crow]

When it's varric, it all awesome. When it's Morrigan. Bioware sucks. 

 

Gotta love a double standard. XD especially on the side of folks who cry double standard non-stop.

 

I don't think we're going to get a bunch of human heighted, human preset body modeled, and human skin tonned female qunari in the game. I think It'll be similar to how the dwarves were presented in DAO. There is a difference between male and female dwarves but they are both unmistakably dwarves, sharing similar body models and details such as the stout arms and legs and being more compacted in general. Elves and humans have always been close in how they resemble each others, so the reuse of body model there was pretty simple.

 

What I honestly believe, is that the qunari female will be a very muscularly toned and athletically built qunari, and not a muscle bound monster like the males. Same principle, same thought process, but taken in a different direction.

 

Not that I think it matters in all honesty. Aveline didn't need to look like a body builder to be a strong warrior, nor was she sexed up for the players enjoyment. So I don't see why this stance won't apply to the qunari women as well.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Oh im sorry i thought this was a DA forum therefore thats what im mentioning.

This site is called the Bioware Social Network. The Dragon Age section is sub-forum on Bioware's official forums. Not to mention many developers of the Mass Effect series also worked on and are working on DA titles.
 

So those small details are what bothered you?

They looked rather stupid, yes, they bothered me but this is not my point here, males and females should be treated more equally, this is the point I'm trying to make. Bioware tries to make Females conventionally sexy because sex sells, hell, if this weren't so we wouldn't still have female warriors running around with stick arms and a physique of a catwalk model because that makes no sense at all.

[SerCambria358]

No, I'm referring to the fact that studies have been done on this.  Women in general do prefer a slimmer build, more along the lines of the DAO or DA2 mages and Fenris.  While some prefer bodybuilders they are not by any means the majority.  Men tend to assume that we think that look is hot, but if we did, there would be a lot more female fans of pro wrestling than there are.

That study doesnt apply to the gamer community let alone the gamer community that plays rpg's. It just doesnt apply

[Cainhurst Crow]

Sylvianus, you're missing something--most of us ladies do not consider those overly sized muscles to be attractive.  And shirtlessness in males, at least in Western culture, doesn't have the same connotations as scantily clad females.  Guys go jogging shirtless all the time, regardless what shape they are in.

 

I don't personally find qunari males sexy because they are far too muscular.  Neither do I find pro wrestlers or bodybuilders attractive.  Some people do and that's great for them, but I think you'd find me more along the lines of the average female--most of us prefer a lither, slimmer build.  This is probably in part because that kind of build is not natural, and maybe it's also a bit of an adverse reaction because in the real world people with that kind of build are very focused on their own body image and machismo, which would make them a poor choice for a mate--more interested in themselves than they ever could be in a woman.

 

Qunari males are all about looking powerful, and that's part of the reason I think so many guys wanted to be able to play them.  They were not added in as eye candy for women even if a handful of ladies thought it was great.

 

All I know is that the qunari romance threads had equal smut posts in proportion to the male and female smut produced. And that just because you don't find them sexy doesn't mean others don't as well, or that that is the majority to minority. I personally do not find them sexually attractive, but I've endured enough crap for saying that to know others don't agree.

 

Also I wanted to play qunari for the horns and the creepy black eyes. Those are awesome design choices.

[Divine Justinia V]

So about those Lady Qunari horns.

[Cainhurst Crow]

No, I'm referring to the fact that studies have been done on this.  Women in general do prefer a slimmer build, more along the lines of the DAO or DA2 mages and Fenris.  While some prefer bodybuilders they are not by any means the majority.  Men tend to assume that we think that look is hot, but if we did, there would be a lot more female fans of pro wrestling than there are.

 

Unless those studies specifically looked at the bioware social network, I don't see how it relates to how fans dragon age 2 viewed the qunari and what they said was or wasn't sexy on the bioware social network.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So about those Lady Qunari horns.

 

I like the vertical horns tbh. I always wanted to be a tiefling in video games.

[SerCambria358]

This site is called the Bioware Social network. The Dragon Age section is sub-forum on Bioware's official forums. Not to mention many developers of the Mass Effect also worked on and are working on DA titles.
 
 

Ok and? How many of those people were responsible for designs and even if they are responsible for designs skin tight suits dont translate over to a medieval fantasy. Different ideas go into those design choices. For the last time can you stop complaining about minor issues of the past and look at DA:I as its own game? I suggest you look at the three females we've seen so far (Morrigan,Cassandra, and Vivienne) and tell me which one is sexed up and if you some how find them too "sexy" then here's the best part, you can change their outfit. You're not even criticizing anymore its just whining about the past

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So about those Lady Qunari horns.

I wonder how many options they will have. We saw concept art of a female having horns that just stick a couple inches from her forehead to them going all the way back. I wonder if that'll be it or there'll be inbetweens.

[Sylvianus]

You're generalizing a whole community based on your own dislike in the bodybuilder type body, many people went crazy over the qunari body type

 

I totally agree with this, after what I've seen on the forum. 

[SerCambria358]

So about those Lady Qunari horns.

I wonder if horn design will be gender dependent 

[Divine Justinia V]

I like the vertical horns tbh. I always wanted to be a tiefling in video games.

 

I like them too, but I don't want baby horns. As long as their not stupid short,

 

I wonder how many options they will have. We saw concept art of a female having horns that just stick a couple inches from her forehead to them going all the way back. I wonder if that'll be it or there'll be inbetweens.

 

I really hope we get to choose our own horns. I feel like a lot of us have varying ideas of what we'd want, I don't see why they wouldn't make it customizable.. but you never know. Hopefully there's more than 2 or 3 options that look very similar. I can see that happening easily.

 

I wonder if horn design will be gender dependent 

 

After looking at the concept art, I feel like they will be.

I understand if it is, but I want big horns. That curl back.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I really hope we get to choose our own horns. I feel like a lot of us have varying ideas of what we'd want, I don't see why they wouldn't make it customizable.. but you never know. Hopefully there's more than 2 or 3 options that look very similar. I can see that happening easily.

Well, we know you can go hornless so at least they aren't set. I personally see/hope it has each choice as having the horns a few inches longer than the previous going from hornless to off the back of the head.

[Cainhurst Crow]

TBH I'd give up eye color selection on qunari for different horn options.

 

You gotta have priorities in these type of setting.

 

EDIT: If we are stuck with one horn type for males and females I wouldn't mind tbh. A lot of real world species with horns operate that way, such as bulls and cows, bucks and does, rams and sheeps, and a whole list of other species (they aren't called ox-people for nothing).

 

And if there are options, it'll also work like the real world as well.

 

So either way, there is going to be a silver lining in it.

[Brass_Buckles]

That study doesnt apply to the gamer community let alone the gamer community that plays rpg's. It just doesnt apply

 

Right, because "women who game and play RPGs" are obviously totally different from "real women," despite the fact that we come from all walks of life and all backgrounds, just like men who game and play RPGs.

 

Seriously?  This is like the argument I saw in another thread that my post regarding women's bodies in game was clearly female-biased and therefore entirely wrong, and that people would be less biased.  Wait, people?  So, women aren't people? I'm not a person? ... Gamer women aren't women?  Really now?  You have seriously crossed a line with me with that statement, I won't lie.

 

There is a double standard here, and I'm not the one who's endorsing it.  Shirtless men aren't on par with barely-clothed women because you see them all the time, but this is especially true when their bodies are bulked up to the point of barely being human.  Are there women who like it?  Yes.  But I repeat, if most women enjoyed that look, we'd be flocking to pro wrestling like flies on a carcass.  I mean think about it--big muscles, sweaty, nearly naked men making close contact with each other... but most of us do not like that look, so pro wrestling fans are mostly males who like to see guys beat the snot out of each other.  That applies to gaming women as much as it applies to any other women--because gaming women aren't some troglodyte subgroup, we encompass a large variety of women from a large variety of walks of life.  Some like it, most don't.  But the women, by contrast, in games, are designed to appeal to the most straight males in the audience possible.

 

Did I even once say I don't want the women to have an appealing look?  No.  Did I say that I wanted she-hulks for qunari?  No.  I don't even really whine that there isn't any great male eye candy, I just think if there isn't any eye candy for us ladies then I need to stop having the camera pan in-game to some woman's cleavage or butt and linger there while I decide what I want to say to her.

 

Part of the reason qunari males are portrayed shirtless in DA2 is likely because it's meant to put them in an "other" category.  It's not meant to make women drool over them.  It's meant to make you think "those guys aren't like us," and to show off how huge and bulky and muscular they are so that you recognize that they are powerful and dangerous.  Not so women can drool over them and gently run their hands over those grotesquely oversized abs.

 

And with that, I'm done here.  I don't enjoy being insulted, or told that I'm somehow different from all the other women in existence because I happen to play RPGs as a hobby when I'm not, you know, working a full time job.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well, we know you can go hornless so at least they aren't set. I personally see/hope it has each choice as having the horns a few inches longer than the previous going from hornless to off the back of the head.

 

Me too, I think that's the best way to customize them instead of have a small handful of completely different styles/tints.

I'm really curious as to how they're going to handle it and if it'll be gender specific, the suspense is killing me.

 

 

TBH I'd give up eye color selection on qunari for different horn options.

 

You gotta have priorities in these type of setting.

 

Same here.

and in this case, we have our priorities straight.