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[SerCambria358]

Again, most of the female fans have always congregated around Alistair and Zevran, not Sten.  Fact.  And I continually say "most women," not "all women."  Studies have been done that prove me right in that regard.  If I said "all women," you might have a case.

You're missing my point. You personally can not speak for the female community based on the minimal amount of opinions you have personally seen. I've seen plenty of fantasized art and opinions wishing there was a romance with both sten and the Arishok. Notice how our two perceptions on the topic, contradict? I cant speak for an entire group and neither can you but the difference is, im not claiming "most" view this a certain way, i understand that theirs no way of knowing that as of now. You're making the conclusion that most women in gaming who play DA:I dont enjoy a muscular build only based on what you've seen from maybe 1-4% of the entire community. Am i making sense?

[SerCambria358]

I agree, I think it'd be awesome to see that. It's really exciting to me that we'll be able to see a whole other side to the Qunari culture, because in DA:O & DA2 it was very similar.

and yes, I see what you mean about the symbols. I wonder if Vashoth has their own emblem?

Thats my confusion because vashoth arent a unified group, they all do their own thing, so i dont see how it makes sense. Maybe they'll go into detail about some vashoth societies where your character may be from

[Cainhurst Crow]

I agree, I think it'd be awesome to see that. It's really exciting to me that we'll be able to see a whole other side to the Qunari culture, because in DA:O & DA2 it was very similar.

and yes, I see what you mean about the symbols. I wonder if Vashoth has their own emblem?

 

I think they would follow their usually tradition of working counter to the qun, and have no symbol, of if they had one it'd be chaotic and not structured.

[The dead fish]

Popping back in to respond to this because it annoys me greatly and it also ties in with what got me annoyed before.

 

You are probably a straight man.  Most women probably don't find qunari males attractive--you pay attention to the handful who do, because they're the only ones who really care.  You complain qunari are sexualized, but they aren't--unless you consider any random shirtless male ever to be sexualized (I doubt you do).  In the case of women, we don't just look at the body.  Most of us like an attractive face as the first thing we see when we look at someone.  And again, most women will prefer leaner muscle to the bulkier muscle.  I don't speak for all of us, because there are women who do think qunari are sexy.  There are also women who think turians and krogan are sexy. Just because I like Garrus as a romance option doesn't mean I agree with them on his physical form, but they're welcome to it if that's what they like.  The fact that they find Wrex attractive in some way doesn't mean he's sexualized, or will that now cause you to fear that Wrex is somehow too sexy for you to be comfortable with your game?

 

Shirtless men are considered normal by Western society and probably other places too; shirtless women aren't.  It might not be right--again, I'd love to go around topless or nearly topless in the summer, but modesty and society and fear of what men might do mean that I can't do that.

 

If he's so very sexualized, where are his tight pants?  He's pretty covered up down below.  Sure he's got muscle, but far too much of it.  Anders is a jerk but he's got a more appealing body.  And the male qunari's face isn't attractive to me; he looks like he's a stylized granite statue--and not an idealized one.  No, he's topless because the designers wanted you to see that he is powerful and mighty and also so that they could splash some cool red tattoos/war paint on him--which is another turnoff because it looks like blood and that is just gross.  If we were meant to think he's sexy, there would have been a qunari romantic interest or a flirt option.  I don't remember either being in DAO or DA2.  If you are gay or bisexual, by chance, then I don't mean to offend you in any way in saying this, but you still don't really have any kind of perspective on what it is to be a woman or what most women find attractive.  You only postulate about it from what a number have said on the forums and maybe from what you wish women found attractive (or what you wish you looked like because you think women would like it?).  But I suspect you will find, if you look, far more fans of Alistair and Zevran than you will of Sten or any camp qunari.

 

And, furthermore, so what if they are sexualized--which I suspect would be more true from the perspective of gay/bi men than that of most (but again not all) women?  We women have had to deal with Morrigan being barely dressed despite a cold climate, and Isabella, and Miranda's butt shots for how long now?  And I'm pretty sure most gay men aren't too interested in side boob or women's butts either.  The reason that a lot of women continually complain about that isn't just because we don't like being treated as objects to ogle, but also because it makes a lot of us uncomfortable when we're playing games or watching movies, too--and we have to deal with it a lot more often than when we're passing by a qunari war camp.  So maybe think about that instead of complaining that we're hurting you with a double standard when we've been dealing with this through just about every game we've ever played.

 

I'll throw you a bone here, maybe they are slightly sexualized (I do not think so, but perhaps it's just a matter of my not thinking their physique and faces are attractive and the fact that, like most people in the area, I'm used to seeing shirtless men around without thinking of sex at the same time), but not overly so, because again they don't have super-attractive faces, their muscle is too burly for most women, the war paint takes away from it, and they aren't wearing anything conveniently designed to show off any of their other assets.  And we don't get convenient camera angles showing off those assets to us whenever we talk to them, either.  They aren't animated so that they flash their behinds at us.  So it's still very much not the same as how women are usually treated in video games, even by Bioware who is better about these things than most people.

 

Straight men really have no place telling straight women what we find attractive and then arguing with us when we disagree.  We know what we think is sexy and what we don't, and you can't read our minds, so arguing the point not only gets you nowhere but also is a bit silly.  I don't recall arguing with you on what you think is sexy because I have no reason to doubt that you know what you think is sexy.  What I do know is when it's overdone.

 

I maintain that we gamer women are in fact real women.  And also that women, and women who game, are still people.

 

Now, can we stop arguing over whether or not male qunari are sexualized to the same level as women and get back on topic?

 

I want to play a female qunari with the biggest, baddest horns I can put on her.  It doesn't make sense for them to have as huge of horns as the males especially if they're going with the much lighter body design, but maybe they could be just as long but thinner?

 

Brass Buckles. Really you write well, but I never was impressed. See, my issue with you as it has always been, it's you generalizes absolutely in your posts. From the beginning to the ending. 

 

I really, really, really disliked how you began your post : " You're probably a straight gamer. " This is the worst line ever. Here, you reduced me to my sexuality to pretend that I'm certainly ignorant, and thou shalt know more things; You know more than me. Because you are a woman, because you are I don't know what. This kind of arrogance must stop. It is a kind of speech that I have always condemned and I should never approve of nowhere. 

 

your posts are FULL of  GENERALIZATION ! Straights gamers, straight mens, us women, gay gamers, etc. You speak as well for everyone. We can think for ourself, thank you, we are not necessarily determined by our penis.

 

Now, despite your well written lines, nothing has changed, the fact is the same. Male qunari were sexed up, even if you don't like it..

[Brass_Buckles]

You're missing my point. You personally can not speak for the female community based on the minimal amount of opinions you have personally seen. I've seen plenty of fantasized art and opinions wishing there was a romance with both sten and the Arishok. Notice how our two perceptions on the topic, contradict? I cant speak for an entire group and neither can you but the difference is, im not claiming "most" view this a certain way, i understand that theirs no way of knowing that as of now. You're making the conclusion that most women in gaming who play DA:I dont enjoy a muscular build only based on what you've seen from maybe 1-4% of the entire community. Am i making sense?

 

I have not once said "all women."  I have also pointed out that some women think Garrus and Wrex have sexy bodies, and you know what?  That's okay.  But most women lean toward Alistair and Zevran and Kaidan and Fenris attraction-wise and there's a reason for that.  When most women are gushing over certain men with certain similar characteristics, it is not unrealistic to say that most women like those characteristics.

 

And I also agreed that some women probably do think qunari are sexy.  And you know what?  That's okay too.  But it's not okay for you to say I can't know what most women I've encountered think is attractive.  I personally think Alistair is a bit too beefy but he's got a cute face.  But many, many women seem to think he's juuuust right.  Again, I've been around these forums, and elsewhere, for quite some time.  Sure, anyone on this forum is a vocal minority or a silent lurking minority, because how many people who game give enough of a care to post or read the forum anyway?  But even within a minority of people you can discover some amount of truth.  Surveys, for instance, might not be tremendously accurate but survey about 1000 people and your results are considered to be generally accurate.

 

In Canada, or anywhere super-north, or super-south where it's cooler, shirtlessness is going to be seen as very sexified.  Where I live, summer is hot and you see men jogging or mowing or hanging out without shirts all the time.  It's normal.

 

I'm in agreement with Sandal 2.0 though, it's not just that I consider shirtlessness normal.  It's that brooding expression.  He's not dreamy-eyed, he's not giving a come-hither look, he's not smiling or looking welcoming, and the rest of his clothing doesn't look like it was intended to show anything off.  I really do not think the developers meant the qunari to be sexualized.  Which I suppose may be odd considering the artist could very well have been in Canada, where shirtlessness is less likely due to the climate.

 

The qunari male isn't about what we women think, and women finding him attractive is incidental and a bonus to the developers.  It's not intentional.  His build, his expression, his facial features, everything about him is meant to make us see him as a source of primal strength.  He is meant to be intimidating, not dreamy.  His muscles are displayed with war paint etc. to make him look more intimidating, not sexier.  It is a power fantasy, and the fact that the qunari are so huge and powerful is part of why people want to play one, I think.  And maybe part of why quite a few women (and some men too) are a little disappointed the female qunari doesn't really match him.  I prefer to play females, can't I be a badass powerhouse too?

 

Edit:  Sylvanius, you don't get it.  I've repeatedly said most, because I don't include everyone.  But I've also gotten a lot of "likes" on my posts in this thread, and it isn't because I'm an awesome writer--if I were, I could get what I want to say out with a lot fewer words.  Most of the people who "like" my posts are women.  A lot of them have friended me, because I'm saying what a lot of them are thinking and what some of them might be afraid to say for themselves.

 

And yes, gender and gender preference do have a lot to do with it.  If most women aren't drooling over qunari men (or if far fewer of them are into qunari than the humans and elves), there's a reason for that.  And while I agree that not every man finds the same women attractive and not every woman is going to find the same men attractive, sometimes attraction is incidental.  You're not comfortable with shirtless qunari.  I'm not comfortable with barely-clothed women.  Both are our own issues but maybe also society's.  You're probably even coming from the same place I am--you think he's there for you to ogle, the same way I think the female characters are made the way they are because they're meant to be ogled.  But it's still not the same, the context is entirely different and so is the presentation.

[sandalisthemaker]

The diamond symbol on the foreheads of the face paint concept art looks similar to the Qun symbol, which is somewhat worrysome. Although they have thankfully stated repeatedly that the PC won't be a member of the Qun.

[Divine Justinia V]

Brass Buckles. Really you write well, but I never was impressed. See, my issue with you as it has always been, it's you generalizes absolutely in your posts. From the beginning to the ending. 

 

I really, really, really disliked how you began your post : " You're probably a straight gamer. " This is the worst line ever. Here, you reduced me to my sexuality to pretend that I'm certainly ignorant, and thou shalt know more things; You know more than me. Because you are a woman, because you are I don't know what. This kind of arrogance must stop. It is a kind of speech that I have always condemned and I should never approve of nowhere. 

 

your posts are FULL of  GENERALIZATION ! Straights gamers, straight mens, us women, gay gamers, etc. You speak as well for everyone. We can think for ourself, thank you, we are not necessarily determined by our penis.

 

Now, despite your well written lines, nothing has changed, the fact is the same. Male qunari were sexed up, even if you don't like it..

 

 

Na but seriously, I agree, they were definitely sexualized, I mean I'm one to talk lol they're fine as hell. 

[SerCambria358]

I have not once said "all women."  I have also pointed out that some women think Garrus and Wrex have sexy bodies, and you know what?  That's okay.  But most women lean toward Alistair and Zevran and Kaidan and Fenris attraction-wise and there's a reason for that.  When most women are gushing over certain men with certain similar characteristics, it is not unrealistic to say that most women like those characteristics.

 

And I also agreed that some women probably do think qunari are sexy.  And you know what?  That's okay too.  But it's not okay for you to say I can't know what most women I've encountered think is attractive. 

You're still missing it. I never said that you speak for "all" i even quoted you when you said "most". I also never said you cannot know the opinion of the women you've encountered. What im saying is, you are one person, the most you have come encounter with in terms of women who play DA is at least 1-2% of the entire community. Therefore your assumptions based on personal experience cannot be justified at all. You have not come into contact with enough people to make that generalization.

[SerCambria358]

The diamond symbol on the foreheads of the face paint concept art looks similar to the Qun symbol, which is somewhat worrysome. Although they have thankfully stated repeatedly that the PC won't be a member of the Qun.

They arent the same though which is why im confused

[Divine Justinia V]

I think they would follow their usually tradition of working counter to the qun, and have no symbol, of if they had one it'd be chaotic and not structured.

 

If that's the case, I'd love for it to be chaotic. It'd be something very different.

[sandalisthemaker]

They arent the same though which is why im confused

 

 

 

I think the particular image you posted is the Qun symbol upside down.  Here's the symbol on a BioWare office door.

 

If you separate the image into 3 different diamonds one on top of the other, you'll notice that the first diamond on the bottom of the symbol looks very similar to the face paint symbol. 

 

My theory, based on no evidence really, is that the three diamonds represent the 3 parts of the Qun. Triumvirate. Maybe the group that the PC comes from adopted a symbol that stems from the original Qun symbol to show that they are still somehow connected, perhaps by heritage if nothing else. Just a wild theory.

 

 

Edit: If the symbol was flipped over the y axis, then the bottom diamond would be completely identical to the face paint symbol.... Maybe that is symbolic as well. Meh, who knows.

[SerCambria358]

I think the particular image you posted is the Qun symbol upside down.  Here's the symbol on a BioWare office door.

 

If you separate the image into 3 different diamonds one on top of the other, you'll notice that the first diamond on the bottom of the symbol looks very similar to the face paint symbol. 

 

My theory, based on no evidence really, is that the three diamonds represent the 3 parts of the Qun. Triumvirate. Maybe the group that the PC comes from adopted a symbol that stems from the original Qun symbol to show that they are still somehow connected, perhaps by heritage if nothing else. Just a wild theory.

 

 

Actually a very interesting theory, i'd believe it. Now to find out if the diamonds mean anything and if they do, which branch of the Triumvirate would it be? My guess is "The Mind" or the Ariqun

[eyezonlyii]

*snip*

 

Na but seriously, I agree, they were definitely sexualized, I mean I'm one to talk lol they're fine as hell. 

 

Just because they were shirtless, doesn't mean they were sexualized. There was nothing alluring that was presented to the player. They stood. Like statues. Sexualization is more than just the exposure of skin, it's the presentation of the character. Miranda from ME is fully clothed, yet you cannot say that she isn't sexualized. Different game I know, but I'm using it to prove a point. 

 

The picture of the female qunari and Isabella, does present a more sexualized character. Her outfit and posture are more about pleasing lines than actual threat. If she were a male, I'm pretty sure her back would be straighter, her arm flexed more and her face more intense. 

 

There was an article during the summer Olympics about the difference in the photo coverage between the men and the women. The article pointed out how the camera's gaze on the women during competition was mostly focused on the breast and butt area, while also capturing them in less than complementary poses for their events. However, for the men, even in cases where they were wearing less clothing (diving for instance) the camera was more focused on the action of the sport.

 

Then they went and posted sexually equivalent pictures of the men. It was an interesting article to say the least,

 

My point is, we can probably agree that the qunari were MORE sexualized in DA2 than DA:O, but I would argue that they weren't sexualized at all in either. There were no close up shots of their glistening abs or bulging...uh bulges. And to be fair, none of the women save for Isabella were presented that way either. I myself would prefer a more massive qunari woman like the She Hulk pictures I posted a while back. I think that would be muscular enough to differentiate them from the other races, and they could still add in some ridges and horns to play that up as well.

[SerCambria358]

Just because they were shirtless, doesn't mean they were sexualized. There was nothing alluring that was presented to the player. They stood. Like statues. Sexualization is more than just the exposure of skin, it's the presentation of the character. Miranda from ME is fully clothed, yet you cannot say that she isn't sexualized. Different game I know, but I'm using it to prove a point. 

Thats just a matter of personal preference

[Divine Justinia V]

My point is, we can probably agree that the qunari were MORE sexualized in DA2 than DA:O, but I would argue that they weren't sexualized at all in either.

 

Well, yes they were more sexualized in DA2 v DA:O, but like he said:

 

Thats just a matter of personal preference

 

and I know, for myself, they were sexualized. Now, I'm not saying BioWare did indeed do that (on purpose or on accident), but for me, they were.

 

but getting back on track, do you think the female Qunari will be taller than human males or the same height?

[SerCambria358]

Well, yes they were more sexualized in DA2 v DA:O, but like he said:

 

 

and I know, for myself, they were sexualized. Now, I'm not saying BioWare did indeed do that (on purpose or on accident), but for me, they were.

 

but getting back on track, do you think the female Qunari will be taller than human males or the same height?

They better be taller! Im not sure if the comic show's the comparison of the female to alistair but from what i saw when she was standing next to a male qunari, she seems at least 6'5-6'7

[Divine Justinia V]

God, she's perfect.

 

I really hope so too, I want my human male companions to be like elves compared to her.

[KC_Prototype]

God, the female Qunari are sexy!

[sandalisthemaker]

Taller. It would be a shame if they weren't. 

 

As a side note, I'm hoping that the white hair isn't mandatory. I think it looks good on female qunari, but I would prefer to have at least the option for black hair for males, along with black facial hair. 

[Brass_Buckles]

You're still missing it. I never said that you speak for "all" i even quoted you when you said "most". I also never said you cannot know the opinion of the women you've encountered. What im saying is, you are one person, the most you have come encounter with in terms of women who play DA is at least 1-2% of the entire community. Therefore your assumptions based on personal experience cannot be justified at all. You have not come into contact with enough people to make that generalization.

 

I may be one person, but the Alistair, Zevran, and Kaidan fans are a whole lot more.  Anecdotal evidence is a thing, and so are surveys and studies.  It could be qunari fans aren't very vocal.  I also point out that most people are women... and "most" can be about 51%, it doesn't have to be 99% or 80% or anything like that.  But fine, I'll only speak for me, myself and I if you insist.  I know I don't speak for all women and that is why I never claimed I did.

 

Want me to stop generalizing?  Fine.  I personally, and most of the people I know, do not prefer heavily built men.  Culturally there are certainly places where the heavier look is preferred.  Culturally there are places where softer-bodied men are preferred.  And individually preferences are varied as the rainbow and then some.  Majorities tend to fall within a certain spectrum of that rainbow, but there are always exceptions even within the same individual.  Sandal 2.0's qunari still wasn't a hottie to me--but give him some nice abs and a wider face and his friendly look alone would make him a whole lot hotter than any other qunari I've seen yet.

 

But in design decisions, that hefty look isn't meant specifically to appeal to women the way that large breasts and lots of skin are meant to appeal to men in female characters, and if it does that is just incidental and a bonus (yay, they think he's sexy, more buyers!). (Again, pro wrestling fans are mostly male and if more women preferred the heavy muscle look, more women would be pro wrestling fans--nearly naked beefy dudes flexing and glistening everywhere, and you really can't get more sexualized than that.  But most fans of it are male.)

 

It still doesn't mean that qunari are meant to be eye candy.

 

If they are considered eye candy by anyone (women or men) that's incidental and bonus points for the developers.  Looking at the design itself, there's nothing that screams "come hither."  And I repeat we aren't given any slow motion or camera pauses on their bodies so that we have time to check them out.  Their behinds aren't emphasized, nor are their crotches.  (We ladies get to see a lot of women's butts and cleavage when we play games).  So even if they're sexualized (as in the developers went out of their way to try to make qunari sexy, as opposed to it being an incidental thing) it's still not anywhere near the same level; I don't think it's intentional, whether I agree that they are sexy or not.

 

It's kind of like saying the gunzerker in Borderlands 2 is sexualized because he's wearing a tight shirt and he's probably more ripped than a qunari.  Some people may think so, but I would argue it's just to make him look tougher (actually asked someone what he thinks to get a male perspective, and he agrees with me in this case).  Compare that with Maya the Siren in the same game, who has strategically placed open areas on her outfit along with tight clothing, and is of the more media-conventional "sexy build."  Does that mean all women will not find the gunzerker sexy, or that all men will think Maya is sexy?  Absolutely not.  But there's a clear difference of intent there.

 

The intent behind putting women in sexy clothes and focusing the camera on their backsides is clearly to titillate.  The intent behind showing off how huge qunari muscles are is to make them look powerful, and titillation of any given viewer is just a bonus as far as the developers are concerned.  Can they still be considered sexualized?  Perhaps, particularly if you live somewhere shirtless men are unusual to see, but that's not the intent that I'm getting from the design.  Where I live, you see all kinds of guys shirtless in the summer to the point you probably don't think much of it, except for maybe wishing they'd put their shirts back on (in some cases because they seem to have gotten nasty sunburns from doing that, ouch) or wondering why they think it's okay to be shirtless in the middle of the grocery store.

 

I do believe whether or not you see them as sexualized is a cultural thing, but without the direct intent, and emphasis on sexual traits and behaviors, I'd have to say no.  The only trait emphasized is musculature.  A shirtless man may be just trying to show off his muscles to intimidate another guy, or he may have just taken off his shirt so he doesn't tear it in the brawl he's about to get into.  But change his posture, have him look relaxed and give him a friendly expression and he's suddenly showing off his physique to a potential bed partner.  So, presentation is part of whether or not something is sexualized.

 

To some degree, most characters in a video game are going to be at least a little sexy or attractive because of idealization.  Is that sexualization?  Yes and no.  If it's intended to make them more physically attractive, then yes.  If they are meant to be more intimidating, then... no.  If both, then... yes again.  It's entirely possible that the qunari were meant to both be aesthetically pleasing and intimidating.  I don't get anything but "intimidating," and I suspect that that's the point--that any attraction to them is a bonus to the designers telling them they did something right.  Yes, that would apply to the qunari men as well as to anyone else.  That massive, powerful look is, at the same time, certainly not meant to be revolting, even if it's also not really meant to draw flocks of women and men to drool at the male qunari's feet.

 

Is it to the same level as Isabella or Morrigan?  Definitely not, for various cultural reasons, and the qunari males have never invited you to have sexy times with them like both Morrigan and Isabella do.  I kind of feel like that reinforces my point--they are sexy to some people, but not really sexualized in the sense that it's intentional--sexualizing a character or a person generally requires the actual intent to make them sexier, as in it's not just an incidental side benefit of whatever else was done.  Some guys would think that a more muscular qunari lady was super-sexy.  Does that mean that by making her more muscular she's being sexualized?  I don't really think so.  If they then gave her that two-strap top, I think I'd agree.  So it's not like I don't see the point on the shirtless men...

 

Maybe it's just that I'm too socially conditioned to not see "shirtless man" as "rawr sexy?"  Am I supposed to think the male qunari are sexier solely because they are shirtless, even though no other traits I'd be checking out are emphasized, even though they aren't posing nor is the camera making me check them out?   It's just normal to me...

 

But, and here's the catcher:  is all sexualization bad?   I would argue, no, as long as it isn't to the "objectifying" degree of sexualization, where the given character isn't presented as a person any longer but merely something to ogle.  While I expect characters to be dressed reasonably, and I definitely agree that as warriors, the qunari guys need to get some chest armor for crying out loud, and I don't want half-naked women or women who run around like it's Baywatch: Thedas edition, attractive characters are nice.  I have no problem with cleavage as long as the camera isn't pointed down it when I'm talking to the person who's showing it off.  I have no problem with Miranda's butt in itself, only the fact that I'm forced to stare at it more than once in ME2.  I'd love for more guys than Varric to have strategically opened shirt collars, or even a few of them with some tight-fitting pants.  (I feel like a lecher for saying that.)  But I do not want crotch-shots, or breast-shots, or butt-shots.  Again, if the assets are there, the people who are interested WILL notice, even if the camera doesn't point at them.  Even if they aren't put on display with skimpy clothing (goes for men and women).

 

So yeah, long post short:  Give me lady qunari without delicate builds and huge boobs who wear actual shirts, and I'll be happy for you if your gentleman qunari wear chest armor.

 

Edit:  And oh yeah sexualizing something requires the INTENT to make it sexier.  Not just the perception of it being sexy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What kind of weapons did Rasaan use? I may use her as a base for one of my Qunari Females. I really like the face.

[mousestalker]

@Brass_Buckles ^What she said.

 

And to hammer the point home, here's the deal. All those scenes with cleavage a'flashin' are designed to appeal to the male gamers. The scenes that generally appeal to the women gamers are the talky bits, where character gets developed and exposed. You know, the stuff you hit the escape key to fast forward through. Alistair fans refer more to his adorkability than to his manly physique. That's a big hint right there.

[Mihura]

Actually a female can be naked as much as a male and not be sexualized. It is not about being naked or showing skin but the intention of where there is focus and if that was part of the concept. 

 

For example this discussion about female qunari would never existed if the females where treated with the same respect in regards to the design. Even if they were topless, you would be getting people saying they were ugly and unappealing because they would have to many muscle and a proud stance. Do people even remember the **** Cassandra got over her jaw? and Cassandra is not that bulky. 

[Divine Justinia V]

What kind of weapons did Rasaan use? I may use her as a base for one of my Qunari Females. I really like the fa

 

 

From the looks of it, her bare hands?

[eyezonlyii]

Thats just a matter of personal preference

Not quite. Me finding them attractive (which I do) is a personal preference. Their level of sexualization is less so. When I say there was nothing alluring about them, I mean in the sense that the game didn't focus on their physique with pandering shots or poses. As I said, sexualization is more than how something looks.