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[SerCambria358]

If you're just going off the premise that more estrogen = more pronounced female secondary sexual characteristics then I guess you could say it would lead to bigger breasts and more fat distribution around the hips. But hormones are nowhere near that simple. If you want to see qunari females have these features then why not just say so? Hormones don't have to come into it at all.

 

I'm disappointed in how the female qunari look so far. They really do just look like grey-skinned humans with horns and pointy ears. I'd like to see them a bit more muscular and maybe have some more interesting facial features, like how the males have that ridge thing on their nose and pronounced brows

Because 1.)Estrogen does not only effect hips and breast size, its linked to facial structure as well 

2.) Im not particularly interested in seeing that

3.)It needs to make sense

To be honest they should be as muscular as their male counterparts, apart maybe from some body variations. I really do not want a female human with muscle. If they make the default male extreme muscular, the females should be extreme muscular. Please no gender BS differences that do not make sense. 

Actually females in almost all mammals are significantly smaller than the male counterpart so it wouldnt be "gender BS" to make them smaller. Thats not to say they wont be distinguished from other races though

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ah...... I googled the quote, and according to Wikipedia, it belongs to this man.

I know. I just didn't put it for some reason and went with the picture. Riza just personifies that quote belief.

 

Edit: Though I should point out that while Russell is often credited with that quote, there is no actual evidence he said it. 

[TheLittleBird]

I know. I just didn't put it for some reason and went with the picture. Riza just personifies that quote belief.

 

Well I don't know anything about Riza or the show (s)he is in. (It sounds like a she, but is it?) Haha, I don't think the guy from Wikipedia personifies the quote.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well I don't know anything about Riza or the show (s)he is in. (It sounds like a she, but is it?) Haha, I don't think the guy from Wikipedia personifies the quote.

She is a woman, yes.

[Mihura]

Because 1.)Estrogen does not only effect hips and breast size, its linked to facial structure as well 

2.) Im not particularly interested in seeing that

3.)It needs to make sense

Actually females in almost all mammals are significantly smaller than the male counterpart so it wouldnt be "gender BS" to make them smaller. Thats not to say they wont be distinguished from other races though

 

What? I was talking about their female counterparts not looking like a human female but more tall, I am not saying that they are bigger than most males but they have to look like they belong to that race. Also if they had any imagination they could go the hyena route and make their female population more big than the males but gender BS always gets in the way

[TheLittleBird]

@Hanako: Yeah, I know, but the quote should be accredited to someone.

[SerCambria358]

What? I was talking about their female counterparts not looking like a human female but more tall, I am not saying that they are bigger than most males but they have to look like they belong to that race. Also if they had any imagination they could go the hyena route and make their female population more big than the males but gender BS always gets in the way

Again why is that "gender BS" if thats reality? I get that you personally would prefer bigger females, which would be interesting if they were taller than the males, but how is that Bullshit when in reality males are generally the larger of the genders

[Gwydden]

Humans and qunari are different RACES. Not SPECIES, as far as we know, and we have no reason whatsoever to think so. I fail to understand the interest in making RACES look like different SPECIES. I favor qunari looking like Sten, that is, without those ridiculous inconsistent horns (which I can live with, and I know that it won't happen. Still hope is an option in the character creator, though) but, most importantly, with a skin color that doesn't make them look like they are affected by some weird tropical disease.

[Brass_Buckles]

Because 1.)Estrogen does not only effect hips and breast size, its linked to facial structure as well 

2.) Im not particularly interested in seeing that

3.)It needs to make sense

Actually females in almost all mammals are significantly smaller than the male counterpart so it wouldnt be "gender BS" to make them smaller. Thats not to say they wont be distinguished from other races though

 

If they look precisely like Isabella, then they are not distinguished from other races.

 

Actually, there are quite a few species of mammals that don't look much different based on sex.  Horses, dogs, wolves, housecats.  There are differences, but they aren't extreme.

 

But also consider that qunari are apparently somehow involved with/related to/associated with dragons.  We've been told specifically that their horns are like dragon horns, and I sincerely doubt that's coincidence.  Female dragons in Thedas are the huge hulking monsters.  Males are smaller, wingless, etc.  Even if qunari have breasts, they aren't necessarily mammals--I know that doesn't make ANY sense scientifically, but it's the whole trope of "stick boobs on it to make it female" that is used in so much sci-fi and fantasy, even on species/races where it makes zero sense.  (ME3 female turian... not a mammal.  She has breasts anyway until she makes her armor swap, likely to save on the cost of modeling her but still, it didn't make much sense.  Would not be surprised if drell women also have breasts.)

 

I'm not saying I want huge hulking women compared to the men, but I am pointing out that hormones basically have nothing to do with anything in Thedas.  Which I already said, because if genetics don't affect anything, hormones won't either.  Thedas isn't Earth.  It's a magical world, not a scientific one.

[SerCambria358]

Humans and qunari are different RACES. Not SPECIES, as far as we know, and we have no reason whatsoever to think so. I fail to understand the interest in making RACES look like different SPECIES. I favor qunari looking like Sten, that is, without those ridiculous inconsistent horns (which I can live with, and I know that it won't happen. Still hope is an option in the character creator, though) but, most importantly, with a skin color that doesn't make them look like they are affected by some weird tropical disease.

Same way lions and tigers are different species. Theyre both a species of cat, as humans and Qunari are humanoid. The fact that they have horns is another major reason to separate them into species categories rather than races. The horns are consistent, its game mechanics that caused confusion. The point of having multiple "races" to choose from is because of their differences, i dont get how you fail to understand the interest in making them different when that answer is clear as day. Theres no point in making all races mostly human when we can just play as a human

[Mihura]

Again why is that "gender BS" if thats reality? I get that you personally would prefer bigger females, which would be interesting if they were taller than the males, but how is that Bullshit when in reality males are generally the larger of the genders

 

They decide to make them more small by default and that is fine but not all mammals are like that, they decide to do it that way but that is not a rule, just more boring. 

The "gender bs" is not about they being more small than most males, it is about the female qunari looking like females from the human race. If you have a race with extreme muscular males, you will have a female counterpart that reflects that too.

[SerCambria358]

If they look precisely like Isabella, then they are not distinguished from other races.

 

Actually, there are quite a few species of mammals that don't look much different based on sex.  Horses, dogs, wolves, housecats.  There are differences, but they aren't extreme.

 

But also consider that qunari are apparently somehow involved with/related to/associated with dragons.  We've been told specifically that their horns are like dragon horns, and I sincerely doubt that's coincidence.  Female dragons in Thedas are the huge hulking monsters.  Males are smaller, wingless, etc.  Even if qunari have breasts, they aren't necessarily mammals--I know that doesn't make ANY sense scientifically, but it's the whole trope of "stick boobs on it to make it female" that is used in so much sci-fi and fantasy, even on species/races where it makes zero sense.  (ME3 female turian... not a mammal.  She has breasts anyway until she makes her armor swap, likely to save on the cost of modeling her but still, it didn't make much sense.  Would not be surprised if drell women also have breasts.)

 

I'm not saying I want huge hulking women compared to the men, but I am pointing out that hormones basically have nothing to do with anything in Thedas.  Which I already said, because if genetics don't affect anything, hormones won't either.  Thedas isn't Earth.  It's a magical world, not a scientific one.

Who wants them to look like isabella?

 

Yes there are a few, keyword being a few.(although as i said above i wouldnt be apposed to females being taller than males)

 

You say qunari arent necessarily mammal based on their theoretical relation to dragons (which i do believe is true) but that doesnt mean anything really. They're in every way mammals, with horns regardless of their relation to dragons.  

 

I only brought in hormones to support an earlier statement, unfortunately it ballooned to this.

[Brass_Buckles]

They decide to make them more small by default and that is fine but not all mammals are like that, they decide to do it that way but that is not a rule, just more boring. 

The "gender bs" is not about they being more small than most males, it is about the female qunari looking like females from the human race. If you have a race with extreme muscular males, you will have a female counterpart that reflects that too.

 

Mihura makes a great point here.  While extreme sexual dimorphism exists, you don't usually find it in mammals.  Humans don't even diverge as much as some people like to say.  This is probably because if one sex were a whole lot weaker/less capable of surviving than the other, then the entire species would be weakened as a result.  Usually the more divergent species are the ones that live in herds/packs/other situations where they can protect one another (cows vs. bulls, sheep vs. rams)--or in places where that species has few or no natural predators (birds of paradise).  In other species, like leopards or weasels, you'll find that while there is a difference, it's less extreme--it may seem much more extreme to that species than it does to us.  But, again, if the female were that much weaker, the whole species would die.

 

I'd argue it's similar with humans, and probably the humanoids of Thedas.  Some people like to argue women are a whole lot weaker and without men to protect them we'd all be dead.  But female bears are not as strong as males, and yet they survive.  Same with female leopards.  In order for that to happen, though, you have to accept that generally females aren't that much weaker than males, if at all.  So yes, the female qunari should look stronger than the concept art and comics imply--she may still not be nearly as powerful-looking as the males, but she should look imposing compared to a female human or especially a female elf.  She should maybe be a bit less muscular than I'd expect a female dwarf to be, and a whole lot taller.  And more muscle generally means less breast and larger waists and less prominent hips.  But, it can still definitely look female and feminine.

[SerCambria358]

They decide to make them more small by default and that is fine but not all mammals are like that, they decide to do it that way but that is not a rule, just more boring. 

The "gender bs" is not about they being more small than most males, it is about the female qunari looking like females from the human race. If you have a race with extreme muscular males, you will have a female counterpart that reflects that too.

Who says it was by default? You dont know what goes on in conferences, so assumptions arent legitimate. You may personally feel its boring but a majority of people disagree and if anyones like me, they'd be satisfied either way.

 

The reason they look similar to humans is because they're a humanoid species, regardless the whole point of the thread is to speculate as to how they will look yet you've already come to conclusions that they will look like human females, despite not seeing any in game. How about waiting for some screen shots

[SerCambria358]

Mihura makes a great point here.  While extreme sexual dimorphism exists, you don't usually find it in mammals.  Humans don't even diverge as much as some people like to say.  This is probably because if one sex were a whole lot weaker/less capable of surviving than the other, then the entire species would be weakened as a result.  Usually the more divergent species are the ones that live in herds/packs/other situations where they can protect one another (cows vs. bulls, sheep vs. rams)--or in places where that species has few or no natural predators (birds of paradise).  In other species, like leopards or weasels, you'll find that while there is a difference, it's less extreme--it may seem much more extreme to that species than it does to us.  But, again, if the female were that much weaker, the whole species would die.

 

I'd argue it's similar with humans, and probably the humanoids of Thedas.  Some people like to argue women are a whole lot weaker and without men to protect them we'd all be dead.  But female bears are not as strong as males, and yet they survive.  Same with female leopards.  In order for that to happen, though, you have to accept that generally females aren't that much weaker than males, if at all.  So yes, the female qunari should look stronger than the concept art and comics imply--she may still not be nearly as powerful-looking as the males, but she should look imposing compared to a female human or especially a female elf.  She should maybe be a bit less muscular than I'd expect a female dwarf to be, and a whole lot taller.  And more muscle generally means less breast and larger waists and less prominent hips.  But, it can still definitely look female and feminine.

No one is saying this, you're both going off on assumptions and generalizations on a thread that was supposed to be based on speculation. If thats how you'd like them to look, fine but dont turn this into a debate when no one is disagreeing with you

[Mihura]

Who says it was by default? You dont know what goes on in conferences, so assumptions arent legitimate. You may personally feel its boring but a majority of people disagree and if anyones like me, they'd be satisfied either way.

 

The reason they look similar to humans is because they're a humanoid species, regardless the whole point of the thread is to speculate as to how they will look yet you've already come to conclusions that they will look like human females, despite not seeing any in game. How about waiting for some screen shots

 

I was talking about the official character design for DA 2 and the comic. Obvious not the next game. And you cannot assume the majority of people think that way.

 

And if this is a speculative topic it is valid to base your assumption on official information that you already have.

[Arcanis]

Mhm, after some thinking I have to admit that it wouldn't make much sense

for Qunari females to be much more muscular.

 

Why you ask?

Simple, the Qunari have strict roles, women are no fighters and the Qunaris

use breading programs to increase special traits.

If women are not needed to have muscles, they wouldn't have them.

 

Well, that's what I get from the codex anyways.. I would like an Amazonian

Qunari lady as a (romancable =P) companion nevertheless

[Heimdall]

Why you ask?
Simple, the Qunari have strict roles, women are no fighters and the Qunaris
use breading programs to increase special traits.
If women are not needed to have muscles, they wouldn't have them.

Well actually... Assuming the Qunari haven't developed a way to choose the gender of an unborn child, they could easily send in a soldier in the hopes of breeding more soldiers but end up with a girl. Assuming they don't chuck such results into a rubbish bin, they couldn't isolate traits between the sexes like that.

[Mihura]

Mhm, after some thinking I have to admit that it wouldn't make much sense

for Qunari females to be much more muscular.

 

Why you ask?

Simple, the Qunari have strict roles, women are no fighters and the Qunaris

use breading programs to increase special traits.

If women are not needed to have muscles, they wouldn't have them.

 

Well, that's what I get from the codex anyways.. I would like an Amazonian

Qunari lady as a (romancable =P) companion nevertheless

 

Eugenics in not a accurate science and that makes no sense from a logical point of view. If they want to bread warriors, making the females physical weak is going to be illogical, and as far as I remember reading, female are more than capable of defending their homes.

 

Also their breading process according to Sten is not that romantic or safe. 

[SerCambria358]

I was talking about the official character design for DA 2 and the comic. Obvious not the next game. And you cannot assume the majority of people think that way.

 

And if this is a speculative topic it is valid to base your assumption on official information that you already have.

No we're basing hopes and guesses on past works, you've already made conclusions based on old designs while its been made clear that bioware constantly redesigns several concepts

[Herr Uhl]

If women are not needed to have muscles, they wouldn't have them.

All manual laborers of the Qunari are female. I don't see why beauty would be something they'd strive to accomplish though, seeing as how romantic love is taboo.

[Heimdall]

It's probably better to think of Qunari attitudes towards gender as "positive" rather than negative. By which I mean they don't think women can't fight, they just think men are better at it. They don't think men can't organize things, they just think women are better at it.

[Shadow Fox]

Considering Bioware ignores genetics in regards to elf/human offspring I highly doubt they won't in regards to female Qunari.

[Heimdall]

All manual laborers of the Qunari are female. I don't see why beauty would be something they'd strive to accomplish though, seeing as how romantic love is taboo.

I don't think such a thing has ever been stated, and I doubt it.

[Herr Uhl]

I don't think such a thing has ever been stated, and I doubt it.

There are three trees. The artisans (all female), the military (all male) and the priesthood (mixed). Every conceivable manual labour outside of battle falls to females.

 

All blacksmiths, all farmers, all builders etc. are all female.