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[Gwydden]

Qunari females we've seen are muscular. Even more than males from other races. Also, when I mentioned qunari horns as being "inconsistent" I was referring to Important Qunari like the Arishok and Iron Bull (as seen in concept art) having massive horns while the ones every other qunari have are not even half that size.

[Brass_Buckles]

No one is saying this, you're both going off on assumptions and generalizations on a thread that was supposed to be based on speculation. If thats how you'd like them to look, fine but dont turn this into a debate when no one is disagreeing with you

 

Sorry, I wasn't meaning you in that statement.  I apologize if you think I did.  In another place, I saw a post that said women would be dead without men to protect them and frankly it rankled me so much that I feel like I'm defending against that mindset wherever I go and there's a discussion about women.  (That's the sad thing about being a woman, especially a woman who games as a hobby--you always end up having to defend your right to exist and be female.  It kind of stinks.)

[KaiserShep]

Maybe the qunari should be like birds of prey, and make them larger than the males.

[Gwydden]

Same way lions and tigers are different species. Theyre both a species of cat, as humans and Qunari are humanoid. The fact that they have horns is another major reason to separate them into species categories rather than races. The horns are consistent, its game mechanics that caused confusion. The point of having multiple "races" to choose from is because of their differences, i dont get how you fail to understand the interest in making them different when that answer is clear as day. Theres no point in making all races mostly human when we can just play as a human

I don't play different races so my PC can have scales. I play different races to experience different cultural and ethnic backgrounds. I consider them all "human," since there's nothing unhuman about them. Drastic physical differences make me lose interest in them (I couldn't care less about ME aliens), since I only want to play different races of "humans."

[SerCambria358]

Sorry, I wasn't meaning you in that statement.  I apologize if you think I did.  In another place, I saw a post that said women would be dead without men to protect them and frankly it rankled me so much that I feel like I'm defending against that mindset wherever I go and there's a discussion about women.  (That's the sad thing about being a woman, especially a woman who games as a hobby--you always end up having to defend your right to exist and be female.  It kind of stinks.)

Its cool:) 

[Mihura]

No we're basing hopes and guesses on past works, you've already made conclusions based on old designs while its been made clear that bioware constantly redesigns several concepts

 

Ok let me formulate this in other way, they have a tendency base on past works. I just do not want to see the same in the game, my hopes is to see a population of females qunari that belong in that race and not a copycat of tall female humans. 

[Gwydden]

Ok let me formulate this in other way, they have a tendency base on past works. I just do not want to see the same in the game, my hopes is to see a population of female qunari that belong in that race and not a copycat of tall female humans. 

That's my point. Male qunari are tall male humans. Why shouldn't females be the same?

[Heimdall]

There are three trees. The artisans (all female), the military (all male) and the priesthood (mixed). Every conceivable manual labour outside of battle falls to females.

 

All blacksmiths, all farmers, all builders etc. are all female.

Okay, now I know what you mean, but I wouldn't assume that.  We've seen them bend gender restrictions on fighting by what "tree" people fall under with the Ben-Hassrith.  It wouldn't surprise me if males are involved in such activities as shipbuilding, masonry and smithing where those activities intersect with military ends.

[Mihura]

That's my point. Male qunari are tall male humans. Why shouldn't females be the same?

 

Did you see the concept art? even the more recent for DA:I?

[Brass_Buckles]

That's my point. Male qunari are tall male humans. Why shouldn't females be the same?

 

Not precisely.  They've got the huge horns, for one thing.  And grey skin.  Oh and that huge hulking build that's basically like a dwarf except, you know, giant.  Have you met anyone who isn't a pro wrestler or bodybuilder who looks like that?  I don't even think pro wrestlers and bodybuilders have that thick muscle sloping down the shoulders, not usually anyhow.

 

The women should be a heftier build to match this.  No one's saying "let's not make them humanoid anymore."  It would be kind of silly to suddenly make qunari women into turian women, for instance.  Or into hanar.  But I think what most of us are getting at is we just want to see them have a heavier, more muscular build that will match the males better.  It would make more sense in context of the world, and in context of the division of labor with qunari--yes, women do all the crafting (and this is why I said we should have seen some female qunari in DA2, since there would have been women blacksmiths, merchants, etc. who would have been helping with the warriors' upkeep--and perhaps we could have shopped from them?).

[Herr Uhl]

That's my point. Male qunari are tall male humans. Why shouldn't females be the same?

If they were humans they'd have terrible posture.

[Gwydden]

Did you see the concept art? even the more recent for DA:I?

Yes, and they look like male humans with horns and grey skin. The same way elves look like pointy eared humans and dwarves like short, stocky humans. And I actually prefer it that way.

[Mes]

UGH god I am having internet issues... Quoted wrong post... Anyway, to the person who said male Qunari look like human males therefore female Qunari should look like human females:

 

The Qunari males don't REALLY look human... Well I mean they are humanoid but different enough from a human male to look like another species. Remove the horns and the grey skin color and I still feel like they look non-human. But remove horns and skin color from a female Qunari (from the concept art), and she looks like a regular fantasy woman.

[Heimdall]

Not precisely.  They've got the huge horns, for one thing.  And grey skin.  Oh and that huge hulking build that's basically like a dwarf except, you know, giant.  Have you met anyone who isn't a pro wrestler or bodybuilder who looks like that?  I don't even think pro wrestlers and bodybuilders have that thick muscle sloping down the shoulders, not usually anyhow.

 

The women should be a heftier build to match this.  No one's saying "let's not make them humanoid anymore."  It would be kind of silly to suddenly make qunari women into turian women, for instance.  Or into hanar.  But I think what most of us are getting at is we just want to see them have a heavier, more muscular build that will match the males better.  It would make more sense in context of the world, and in context of the division of labor with qunari--yes, women do all the crafting (and this is why I said we should have seen some female qunari in DA2, since there would have been women blacksmiths, merchants, etc. who would have been helping with the warriors' upkeep--and perhaps we could have shopped from them?).

Actually, it wouldn't be at all surprising if men took up such activities in a military context.  They don't have a problem with training women to fight in the Ben Hassrith when the situation calls it, despite it being part of the priesthood.  The reverse could easily be true with males in the military, a post for quartermasters and specialized blacksmiths perhaps.

[SerCambria358]

I don't play different races so my PC can have scales. I play different races to experience different cultural and ethnic backgrounds. I consider them all "human," since there's nothing unhuman about them. Drastic physical differences make me lose interest in them (I couldn't care less about ME aliens), since I only want to play different races of "human"

Ok, cool. Thats personal preference which is fine but saying you fail to understand the interest in making them physically different is narrow minded. Also going a bit deeper here on your point about them having nothing to make them nonhuman, who's to say culture is uniquely human? As far as we know if other animals had the mental capacity of us humans they'd have culture and societies just as we do. I understand that you personally are more interested in humans but for a majority of gamers, we want to see expansions of reality, its the entire point of playing fantasy based games. It defeats the purpose if they were all human in appearance because anyone can walk outside and see that, its nothing new. Seeing a horned race of giants is something intriguing to most, especially considering that they could have dragon ancestry. That intrigue would be gone if they were all just "humans" 

[mousestalker]

The Qunari do not 'bread' females. Not even with panko.

 

They do breed for certain specific traits. The females are the ones who determine who breeds with who.

 

Also, there is a very good chance Sten was kidding Morrigan when he discussed having sex with her.

[Gwydden]

Not precisely.  They've got the huge horns, for one thing.  And grey skin.  Oh and that huge hulking build that's basically like a dwarf except, you know, giant.  Have you met anyone who isn't a pro wrestler or bodybuilder who looks like that?  I don't even think pro wrestlers and bodybuilders have that thick muscle sloping down the shoulders, not usually anyhow.

 

The women should be a heftier build to match this.  No one's saying "let's not make them humanoid anymore."  It would be kind of silly to suddenly make qunari women into turian women, for instance.  Or into hanar.  But I think what most of us are getting at is we just want to see them have a heavier, more muscular build that will match the males better.  It would make more sense in context of the world, and in context of the division of labor with qunari--yes, women do all the crafting (and this is why I said we should have seen some female qunari in DA2, since there would have been women blacksmiths, merchants, etc. who would have been helping with the warriors' upkeep--and perhaps we could have shopped from them?).

I have seen plenty of actual, real life humans who are as tall and muscular as male qunari. The only reason human in Thedas look different is because all of them have the same built. And I am quite certain qunari also have their less strong specimens (relatively speaking).

 

But yes, it would make sense for female qunari to have a "heftier build," and I'm all for that. What I am against is trying to suddenly turn all qunari distinctly non human when they were never meant to be. The same goes for elves and dwarves.

[Luelle]

UGH god I am having internet issues... Quoted wrong post... Anyway, to the person who said male Qunari look like human males therefore female Qunari should look like human females:

 

The Qunari males don't REALLY look human... Well I mean they are humanoid but different enough from a human male to look like another species. Remove the horns and the grey skin color and I still feel like they look non-human. But remove horns and skin color from a female Qunari (from the concept art), and she looks like a regular fantasy woman.

You're talking about this concept art?

[Heimdall]

You're talking about this concept art?

I'm thought that was a slim Qunari male, actually

[Brass_Buckles]

Ok, cool. Thats personal preference which is fine but saying you fail to understand the interest in making them physically different is narrow minded. Also going a bit deeper here, who's to say culture is uniquely human? As far as we know if other animals had the mental capacity of us humans they'd have culture and societies just as we do. I understand that you personally are more interested in humans but for a majority of gamers, we want to see expansions of reality, its the entire point of playing fantasy based games. It defeats the purpose if they were all human in appearance because anyone can walk outside and see that, its nothing new. Seeing a horned race of giants is something intriguing to most, especially considering that they could have dragon ancestry. That intrigue would be gone if they were all just "humans" 

 

Other species DO have culture.  Scientists have begun to point out that certain species of cetacea appear to have their own dialects and behaviors depending on region and familial relation, things we'd consider to be "culture."  Same is true for elephants and possibly even certain apes like chimps and bonobos.  Oh and crows as well.

 

That said, some people do like a more human appearance.  And I can't personally say that the humans, elves, dwarves etc. would lose anything if everyone were human, and the only difference was build/skin tone/other racial traits--but then the developers would have had to treat parentage etc. differently because we'd expect children to inherit traits from both parents, not just one.  Basically you'd still have a variety of interesting cultures.  The only thing you'd really lose is visual interest--but visual interest in a visual media is very important.  Otherwise why all the fuss about graphics and character design?

[Herr Uhl]

Actually, it wouldn't be at all surprising if men took up such activities in a military context.  They don't have a problem with training women to fight in the Ben Hassrith when the situation calls it, despite it being part of the priesthood.  The reverse could easily be true with males in the military, a post for quartermasters and specialized blacksmiths perhaps.

Quartermaster is actually one of few posts that can be held by females in the military.

[Gwydden]

UGH god I am having internet issues... Quoted wrong post... Anyway, to the person who said male Qunari look like human males therefore female Qunari should look like human females:

 

The Qunari males don't REALLY look human... Well I mean they are humanoid but different enough from a human male to look like another species. Remove the horns and the grey skin color and I still feel like they look non-human. But remove horns and skin color from a female Qunari (from the concept art), and she looks like a regular fantasy woman.

I don't agree. If they didn't have grey skin and horns, I'd just think they were tall humans. As I said in some other post, I didn't notice Sten wasn't human until after I was done with my first DAO run.

[Heimdall]

Quartermaster is actually one of few posts that can be held by females in the military.

Among the Qunari?

[Luelle]

I'm thought that was a slim Qunari male, actually

That's a female, tho

[SerCambria358]

I have seen plenty of actual, real life humans who are as tall and muscular as male qunari. The only reason human in Thedas look different is because all of them have the same built. And I am quite certain qunari also have their less strong specimens (relatively speaking).

 

But yes, it would make sense for female qunari to have a "heftier build," and I'm all for that. What I am against is trying to suddenly turn all qunari distinctly non human when they were never meant to be. The same goes for elves and dwarves.

What do you mean they were never meant to be non human? They have horns! You may see people of the qunari build but thats body modification through lifting weights, qunari are naturally that large in muscle mass which would seem alien to any group of people without the means to enlarge muscles that drastically