The first death is a complete joke. There are several ways you can justify the time skip and association with Cerberus. They opened a philosophical can of worms they had no interest in addressing. Lazarus is half the reason I hate Shepard's guts.
The beginning of ME2 was fantastic, no game has done that in a sequel before - killing the main character at the start of the game? Epic.. Its crazy to dislike it. Hate the death in 3, but 2 was pure gold.
1) And it was regarded as one of the major mishaps of ME2, not a model to follow by any stretch. ME3 wouldn't be improved by brain dead conventional victory any more than LotR would be improved by a montage of Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas cutting down every last orc in Morder to "win" the war.
2) Why do I need an extra copy? Your script is basically ME1, ME2, ME3 completely as written, only after Shepard's defiant speech we get a victory screen.
It's not that hard to imagine. Point being: with ME3, as written your desire for conventional victory as per the extended cut is completely idiotic. Now, if we're taking rewrites of the series into account? Yeah, I could believe conventional victory is possible. But that wasn't stipulated in your post, only that Bioware was foolish for not making conventional victory possible in the EC.
1) Just so we're clear here, showing that the Reapers are massively powerful was not a mistake, but showing that Shepard can accomplish the possible is?
2) If you think my only problem with the series is the ending, you really haven't been paying attention.
The beginning of ME2 was fantastic, no game has done that in a sequel before - killing the main character at the start of the game? Epic.. Its crazy to dislike it. Hate the death in 3, but 2 was pure gold.
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1) Just so we're clear here, showing that the Reapers are massively powerful was not a mistake, but showing that Shepard can accomplish the possible is?
2) If you think my only problem with the series is the ending, you really haven't been paying attention.
1) No as usual, you're simply taking any excuse to hurl criticism at Bioware, even when it's better directed at yourself.
Probable does not equal possible. It is technically possible that Shepard could defeat the Reapers conventionally, even if those chances of victory are 0.000000000001%, but that makes for an asinine conclusion. And there are a million other improbable events Bioware could undertake which could be considered bad-writing. The fact that it took Shepard an insane amount of effort to kill 3 Reapers, alone and unsupported, should show you how bad an idea this is. Basically, you're upset that Bioware didn't use even more bad-writing to give you your happy ending.
2) Then simply state you would have rewritten the ME3 trilogy and move on, rather than making a bad effort at arguing for a weak conclusion.
They could have written the story around setting up a conventional victory. They could have played the super weapon straight that they did set up. Anything would really be better than awful contrived last second bratalyst nonsense colour choosing.
Anyone who thinks conventional victory was possible is deluded.
Nowhere, anywhere, since the first time I spoke to Sovereign (coincidentally the first time get to know of the Reapers) have I ever had the idea that a conventional victory was possible. The only thing that was possible was stalling them or preventing them from coming at all. Conventional victory has never been in the picture, it has always been about stopping the Reapers from coming at all or in the very least stall them.
Anyone with half a brain should've figured that once the Reapers are actually there, something like a Crucible was needed to get them gone.
But surely, what the MEU should have done is link all the fleets in the entire galaxy onto Shepard's gun and have him 1 vs 1 the entire Reaper Fleet. According to videogame/movie mechanics, they should all line up and don't take cheap shots at him, so... it should work, right?
But surely, what the MEU should have done is link all the fleets in the entire galaxy onto Shepard's gun and have him 1 vs 1 the entire Reaper Fleet. According to videogame/movie mechanics, they should all line up and don't take cheap shots at him, so... it should work, right?
They could have made ME3 an arcade-style space shooter this way 
Unnessesary, but I don't care. I still picked Control. Synthesis would be my second option.
Conventional victory would cheapen the entire thing. If they already made the Reapers so ubah-powerful (as showcased in 1 Reaper vs. entire fleet in ME1), then it would be a mistake to retroactively downgrade them to be 'beatable' in conventional fight. And it would put human race on even higher pedestal, as if it wasn't big of a problem in enough (in both ME and other space operas/sci-fi). Having the solution to defeat the Reapers be a product of multiple races across the millenias AND using the Reapers' own tools softens the trope.
Nope. In mass effect 1, reaper had geth as aid and also they still managed to do suprise attack on citadel fleet even shepard warned them.
Also citadel races has made many technological advances what makes them more powerful than in mass effect 1 time. Even Normandy what had best technology in the time was massively improved in second series and even more in third series.
Actially shepard alone could have destroyed more than 99% of the reaper forces in the batarian system, if she would have just waited few more hours to having reapers arrive that system and getting destroyed by the supernova.
They could do the same trick in the sol system later, destroying most of the reaper fleet.
High emr attack, allied forces basically get 0 losses in initial attack and reapers suffer heavily, even majority of the reaper forces are in earth.
That means that same alliance fleet could decimate any other reaper consentrations without breaking a sweat. Actually alone with the leviathan aid they could destroy rest of the galaxys reapers.
1) No as usual, you're simply taking any excuse to hurl criticism at Bioware, even when it's better directed at yourself.
Probable does not equal possible. It is technically possible that Shepard could defeat the Reapers conventionally, even if those chances of victory are 0.000000000001%, but that makes for an asinine conclusion. And there are a million other improbable events Bioware could undertake which could be considered bad-writing. The fact that it took Shepard an insane amount of effort to kill 3 Reapers, alone and unsupported, should show you how bad an idea this is. Basically, you're upset that Bioware didn't use even more bad-writing to give you your happy ending.
2) Then simply state you would have rewritten the ME3 trilogy and move on, rather than making a bad effort at arguing for a weak conclusion.
1) Not worth responding to.
2) I think I said this way back at the beginning of the thread: SHepard should have been able to survive all three choices.
Or is that stupid and delusional too?
Nope. In mass effect 1, reaper had geth as aid and also they still managed to do suprise attack on citadel fleet even shepard warned them.
Also citadel races has made many technological advances what makes them more powerful than in mass effect 1 time. Even Normandy what had best technology in the time was massively improved in second series and even more in third series.
Actially shepard alone could have destroyed more than 99% of the reaper forces in the batarian system, if she would have just waited few more hours to having reapers arrive that system and getting destroyed by the supernova.
They could do the same trick in the sol system later, destroying most of the reaper fleet.
High emr attack, allied forces basically get 0 losses in initial attack and reapers suffer heavily, even majority of the reaper forces are in earth.
That means that same alliance fleet could decimate any other reaper consentrations without breaking a sweat. Actually alone with the leviathan aid they could destroy rest of the galaxys reapers.
Not sure where to start here...
If that was true then Synthesis would be a non-issue, as the Catalyst (and by extension the Reapers) would have already achieved "perfect understanding" of organics.
The Shepalyst has complete understanding of Organics because it is an AI construct created from the mind of an Organic.
the Original Catlyst is nothing more than an Ai, like the Geth or EDI.
The Shepalyst has complete understanding of Organics because it is an AI construct created from the mind of an Organic.
Like the Reapers? 
The Shepalyst has complete understanding of Organics because it is an AI construct created from the mind of an Organic.
the Original Catlyst is nothing more than an Ai, like the Geth or EDI.
As BSN (or BioWare Forums I suppose I should say now) amply demonstrate organics do not understand each other well at all.
The Shepalyst has complete understanding of Organics because it is an AI construct created from the mind of an Organic.
the Original Catlyst is nothing more than an Ai, like the Geth or EDI.
I didn't read all of these posts on here. So I may have missed a post that corolates with what I'm about to post. I have not seen the new "Destroy" ending but from what I've heard all it shows is Shepard breathe underneath a pile of rubble that doesn't really mean they survived. Right before someone dies they may exhale one final breath so Shepard is probably dead. Especially becuase they would of had to fall to Earth to be laying in a pile of rubble so the reentry would kill them unless the Crucible was in good enough shape that it would shield them. But still an object the size of the Crucible hitting Earth would do some damage. So no matter what ending you pick your not going to be happy. But I'm totally okay with Shepard dying becuase I can still replay the series and enjoy myself all over again.
That's not a "new" ending, you could get the breath pre-EC as well with a high enough EMS. The memorial scene with the LI refusing to put Shepard's name on the wall was added in the EC (or it being put up for other and lower EMS versions).
That's not a "new" ending, you could get the breath pre-EC as well with a high enough EMS. The memorial scene with the LI refusing to put Shepard's name on the wall was added in the EC (or it being put up for other and lower EMS versions).
Alright thank you for clarifying. Its been awhile since I beat Mass Effect 3 I only beat it once the week it came out. But still I think the rest of my post is still plausible.
I didn't read all of these posts on here. So I may have missed a post that corolates with what I'm about to post. I have not seen the new "Destroy" ending but from what I've heard all it shows is Shepard breathe underneath a pile of rubble that doesn't really mean they survived. Right before someone dies they may exhale one final breath so Shepard is probably dead. Especially becuase they would of had to fall to Earth to be laying in a pile of rubble so the reentry would kill them unless the Crucible was in good enough shape that it would shield them. But still an object the size of the Crucible hitting Earth would do some damage. So no matter what ending you pick your not going to be happy. But I'm totally okay with Shepard dying becuase I can still replay the series and enjoy myself all over again.
It's a waking-up inhale, not a dying exhale. Also Shepard didn't fall back to earth, she's still on the Citadel during the breath scene.
It's a waking-up inhale, not a dying exhale. Also Shepard didn't fall back to earth, she's still on the Citadel during the breath scene.
Thank you for clearing that up. I will have to rethink my theory then since there are a lot of holes in it. Thank you again though.
Really? Given the views of some on here the first thing the shepalyst would do is make thessia explode; prefeably by strapping liara to an asteroid and firing it at the planet.
That's hardly understanding.
As much as I would like that to happen, I have never nor will I ever pick control
As much as I would like that to happen, I have never nor will I ever pick control
that's because you are a man of judgement and sense. Apart from the Asari part, for that you will be tied to a stake and be forced to listen to "Thanks for coming by" and "It's good to see you" until you beg for the swift, merciful release of death.
that's because you are a man of judgement and sense. Apart from the Asari part, for that you will be tied to a stake and be forced to listen to "Thanks for coming by" and "It's good to see you" until you beg for the swift, merciful release of death.
I'm not afraid of death. I know I'm going to he**. Its just a matter of when.
I'm not afraid of death. I know I'm going to he**. Its just a matter of when.
Well you know the saying: "Hell is another man's Blue Babies".
Well you know the saying: "Hell is another man's Blue Babies".
from what I've seen babies burn a lot quicker especially in he**
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