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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Catalyst: You can destroy all synthetic life if you want, including the Geth, even you are partly synthetic. (only this line changes in the EC)

Shepard: But the reapers will be destroyed?

Catalyst: Yes, but the peace won't last. Soon, your children will create synthetics and the chaos will begin again.

 

Shepard: So the Illusive Man was right after all?

Catalyst: Yes, but he could never control us because we already controlled him.

Shepard: But the reapers will obey me?

Catalyst: Yes, you will die, you will lose everything you have.

 

Catalyst: Add your energy to the Crucible. Blah blah blah.... Synthesis is the final stage of evolution. Releasing the energy of the crucible will destroy the mass relays. (and this line) You have a difficult decision to make and little time to do it.

Shepard: I... don't know.

 

(you can fast forward through all of the BS and get to the original ending dialogue)

 

Is it not easy to see why at this point one might not give a **** about the geth at this point? Let's see... survive w/ waifu or die for a bunch of robots I never really cared about in the first place. Hmmm.... I'm going to Hell already for Aratoht, so... oh well, bye bye geth. 

[von uber]

The 'on switch' is on the citadel, not the crucible.
Which raises a whole lot of other questions.

[Barquiel]

Catalyst: You can destroy all synthetic life if you want, including the Geth, even you are partly synthetic. (only this line changes in the EC)

Shepard: But the reapers will be destroyed?

Catalyst: Yes, but the peace won't last. Soon, your children will create synthetics and the chaos will begin again.

 

Shepard: So the Illusive Man was right after all?

Catalyst: Yes, but he could never control us because we already controlled him.

Shepard: But the reapers will obey me?

Catalyst: Yes, you will die, you will lose everything you have.

 

Catalyst: Add your energy to the Crucible. Blah blah blah.... Synthesis is the final stage of evolution. Releasing the energy of the crucible will destroy the mass relays. (and this line) You have a difficult decision to make and little time to do it.

Shepard: I... don't know.

 

(you can fast forward through all of the BS and get to the original ending dialogue)

 

Is it not easy to see why at this point one might not give a **** about the geth at this point? Let's see... survive w/ waifu or die for a bunch of robots I never really cared about in the first place. Hmmm.... I'm going to Hell already for Aratoht, so... oh well, bye bye geth. 

 

In my first playthrough I've sided with the geth on Rannoch. Plus we spend the game watching EDI grow an individual, only to sacrifice her too. I had to stop and think seriously about it before making a choice (I didn't know Shep would survive). I cared about them...I simply liked the alternatives less. As Diana Allers says in her email.. "Normal is the best revenge." Destroy is the only way to get back to normal (minus the geth and EDI )

[DeinonSlayer]

No they didn't.

Original endings did. Paragon responses to Glowbrat still do. Glowbrat insists the chaos will come back if you choose destroy. When told this, Shepard automatically says "there must be another way!" We are given no option to challenge this assertion, AutoShep accepts it without question. The alternative provided in the EC is to say you won't use the Crucible. There's no option to say Destroy is worth it.

Glowbrat calls Synthesis the ideal solution. Pre-EC, Shepard's response is to meekly say "and there will be peace?" EC at least gives us the option to flat-out reject this, but pre-EC it was pretty obvious what they wanted you to choose.

[CronoDragoon]

Original endings did. Paragon responses to Glowbrat still do. Glowbrat insists the chaos will come back if you choose destroy. When told this, Shepard automatically says "there must be another way!" We are given no option to challenge this assertion, AutoShep accepts it without question. The alternative provided in the EC is to say you won't use the Crucible. There's no option to say Destroy is worth it.

Glowbrat calls Synthesis the ideal solution. Pre-EC, Shepard's response is to meekly say "and there will be peace?" EC at least gives us the option to flat-out reject this, but pre-EC it was pretty obvious what they wanted you to choose.

 

 

I'm pretty sure he says "there must be another way" after the Catalyst tells him the Crucible will destroy all synthetics. He's objecting to that, not "the chaos will return." I've been wrong before, though.

[shepskisaac]

You will always find people who will complain about something.  No solution is 100%.

It did not occur to me that this needed to be made clear. My mistake, I suppose.

Not the point. I meant large part of the audience, not remaining few %s unhappy.

[cronshaw]

Nothing that happens after Shepard blows up the destroyer makes an sense anyway
So I pick destroy and write my own ending
I mean why didn't the reapers just turn off the beam to the citadel?
Why does destroy kill all synthetics when we are told over and over again the reapers are organic constructs not software and metal platforms like EDI and the Geth
It's all BS

[Iakus]

Nope. I don't think it was a mistake at all. For one, I expected Shep to die no matter how the ending came about. I just had a vibe ever since the first game that Shep would eventually pay the ultimate price in order to stop the Reapers. The biblical symbolism and similarities throughout the trilogy only strengthed that vibe.

 

And that's where we differ.  I expected to have something of a say in what happens to my own character.

[JasonShepard]

I'm pretty sure he says "there must be another way" after the Catalyst tells him the Crucible will destroy all synthetics. He's objecting to that, not "the chaos will return." I've been wrong before, though.

 

It's somewhat ambiguous, in the EC at least. Shepard says "There has to be another way" directly after the Catalyst says "Soon your children will create synthetics, and the chaos will come back." (Here, at 27 mins in.) So the 'chaos' is the current topic of conversation, but it's fairly easy to believe that Shepard is actually complaining about the death of synthetics.

 

(I've checked, and I don't think the "There has to be another way" dialogue is in the original ending.)

[Argolas]

The Reapers didn't turn of the beam because setting it up at all was a brilliant idea in the first place, after they had moved it just to protect it.

 

I have an idea to explain that, it involves Shepard being left alive on purpose so they could achieve Synthesis which means eternal victory because it leaves no hope of killing the Reapers without killing yourself. But I don't honestly believe that.

[CronoDragoon]

It's somewhat ambiguous, in the EC at least. Shepard says "There has to be another way" directly after the Catalyst says "Soon your children will create synthetics, and the chaos will come back." (Here, at 27 mins in.) So the 'chaos' is the current topic of conversation, but it's fairly easy to believe that Shepard is actually complaining about the death of synthetics.

 

(I've checked, and I don't think the "There has to be another way" dialogue is in the original ending.)

 

Fair enough, I suppose it's always made more sense for me to think he's objecting to how the Catalyst is saying the Crucible works.

[CrutchCricket]

Omega

 

 

here you go

 

So I just replayed Omega a while ago and when you get to Aria's bunker there's a forklift there, just randomly. Not some eezo-powered mass effect field lifter thing. Just a forklift.

 

Weird.

[shepskisaac]

I have an idea to explain that, it involves Shepard being left alive on purpose so they could achieve Synthesis which means eternal victory because it leaves no hope of killing the Reapers without killing yourself. But I don't honestly believe that.

Except that there's a scenario where Synthesis is not possible. And yet Caty still helps Shep after Crucible docks.

[SporkFu]

Destroy is the only way to get back to normal (minus the geth and EDI )

 

I dunno, paragon control seems the best way to get the galaxy back to normal to me. Except for Shep of course. But I like to think he's still there watching out for everyone, but leaving them alone to evolve. I don't want to say TIM was right though, because his ideas would have abused control.

 

Kinda makes me wonder, what if the reapers let TIM (still indoctrinated) think he was controlling them just to mess with him, for having the audacity to think he could ever control them. And then the catalyst goes ahead and lets Shep do it. Heh. Shep should have looked Harbinger right in the eye and said, "assuming direct control."  and then did a Grunt laugh.  

[Mcfly616]

And that's where we differ. I expected to have something of a say in what happens to my own character.

As did I....



And I did. And so did you.....you just didn't like your options. My time will come at some point down the road. All I have to decide is what to do with the time I have. Atleast Shep got to choose the way he went out...most people never receive such a blessing.

[von uber]

The shep in control isn't shep though is it.
It's an a.i. construct.

[JasonShepard]

The shep in control isn't shep though is it.
It's an a.i. construct.

 

I'm afraid that I fail to see the difference between the real thing and a sufficiently accurate simulation.

 

Furthermore, the Catalyst does say "You will control us." Not "An AI copy of you will control us."

[Argolas]

I'm afraid that I fail to see the difference between the real thing and a sufficiently accurate simulation.

 

Furthermore, the Catalyst does say "You will control us." Not "An AI copy of you will control us."

 

I can predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy.

[Barquiel]

I dunno, paragon control seems the best way to get the galaxy back to normal to me. Except for Shep of course. But I like to think he's still there watching out for everyone, but leaving them alone to evolve. I don't want to say TIM was right though, because his ideas would have abused control.

 

Kinda makes me wonder, what if the reapers let TIM (still indoctrinated) think he was controlling them just to mess with him, for having the audacity to think he could ever control them. And then the catalyst goes ahead and lets Shep do it. Heh. Shep should have looked Harbinger right in the eye and said, "assuming direct control."  and then did a Grunt laugh.  

 

Before the extended cut was released, I could pretend that control worked out like this and it didn't seem bad. But the EC ruined control for me...even in the paragon control epilogue we see the reapers hanging around and "helping", whereas the destroy epilogue shows us how humans/asari/turians are working together to "restore what we lost". The citadel races will have to find their own way forward in destroy...and not rely on the reapers/let them handle everyting. OK, it will take a few years more to rebuild Thessia, Earth and the relays...but it seems more normal to me.
 

[von uber]

I can predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy.

Quite.

[CronoDragoon]

I can predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy.

 

Thing is, that % is up to the player. JasonShepard's Shepalyst can simulate an organic Shepard with 98.95% accuracy. The other 1.05% he tells people he prefers wine when Shepard actually preferred beer.

 

Point being, this is in the discretion of the player now. If you want to not pick Control because you assert that the Shepalyst will pull another Catalyst, then by all means don't. If you pick it because you believe the data is going to be accurate enough to pick it and avoid killing all synthetics and destroying the Citadel, then do it. This really is in the realm of speculation, so saying the Shepalyst isn't Shepard and will go crazy holds about as much weight to someone who picks Control as telling a Destroyer that synthetics will return and wipe out all organics.

[von uber]

I wonder if there is a correlation between religious beliefs and ending choice.

[Propelled Rage]

 

 

Kinda makes me wonder, what if the reapers let TIM (still indoctrinated) think he was controlling them just to mess with him, for having the audacity to think he could ever control them

 

What makes you think he's not doing exactly that with Shep??

 

 

 

I'll get my coat 

[Propelled Rage]

I'm afraid that I fail to see the difference between the real thing and a sufficiently accurate simulation.

 

Furthermore, the Catalyst does say "You will control us." Not "An AI copy of you will control us."

 

Yes but in this case you are assuming that catalyst is telling the truth, just like in synthesis. That is all those two paths have it going for them,  trusting what catalyst is spouting. I find it very hard to do. I assume I will incur some wrath of simplistic & naive viewpoint when I say this, but I find it very hard to believe.

[Daemul]

Yes but in this case you are assuming that catalyst is telling the truth, just like in synthesis. That is all those two paths have it going for them, trusting what catalyst is spouting. I find it very hard to do. I assume I will incur some wrath of simplistic & naive viewpoint when I say this, but I find it very hard to believe.

"Your belief is not required."

I found it much harder to believe that shooting a pipe would somehow kill the Reapers when it could have easily sabotaged the Crucible instead, but it does, my beliefs are irrelevant. Same with Control and Synthesis, you may believe one thing but it doesn't matter, what the Catalyst says will happen, happens.