Wait what?!
**** that!
I'm going to take my big friggin army and conscript some horses!
Well I sincerely doubt that they'll just give us a horse from the start. Or, if they do, it'll be a slow old nag, kind of like you could get one free in Oblivion if you had the horse armor... but only the old nag.
Don't griffons make their riders pick out their lice before they let them ride? Though that might make for an interesting mini game..
I wish I could have something like battle cat from He-Man. But I would settle for a horse with the intelligence of a Mabari.
I'm a bit torn.
On one hand it would be great if we could pick our mounts (A variety of horses and maybe halla)
On the other, I like the idea of the horse was an NPC, a character with personality in its own right. I suppose they could do both if the appearance was just a skin for the character but I wouldn't expect a Halla to behave exactly like a horse.
I'm a bit torn.
On one hand it would be great if we could pick our mounts (A variety of horses and maybe halla)
On the other, I like the idea of the horse was an NPC, a character with personality in its own right. I suppose they could do both if the appearance was just a skin for the character but I wouldn't expect a Halla to behave exactly like a horse.
A Halla would be a horse once i got done with it.
Saddle and Stirrup not to mention I would be picking the direction we would be going.
elves don't know how to domesticate animals apparently.
I'm a bit torn.
On one hand it would be great if we could pick our mounts (A variety of horses and maybe halla)
On the other, I like the idea of the horse was an NPC, a character with personality in its own right. I suppose they could do both if the appearance was just a skin for the character but I wouldn't expect a Halla to behave exactly like a horse.
I think someone in another thread said that the mounts won't be companions. That's kind of a disappointment, too. If they DO stick you with one mount for the entire game, you should get the chance to know it and roleplay out how you are taking care of it. Are you nasty to your mount, or do you treat it well because it works so hard carrying you around?
I'm also curious if there will be mounted combat, or mounted combat against other mounted combatants. Skyrim was supposed to have combat vs. mounted opponents after the update that let you engage in mounted combat, but I have spent hours in the game and have yet to see it. It'd be nice if Dragon Age allowed for that.
I think someone in another thread said that the mounts won't be companions. That's kind of a disappointment, too. If they DO stick you with one mount for the entire game, you should get the chance to know it and roleplay out how you are taking care of it. Are you nasty to your mount, or do you treat it well because it works so hard carrying you around?
I'm also curious if there will be mounted combat, or mounted combat against other mounted combatants. Skyrim was supposed to have combat vs. mounted opponents after the update that let you engage in mounted combat, but I have spent hours in the game and have yet to see it. It'd be nice if Dragon Age allowed for that.
I believe we know there won't be mounted combat (Its not an easy thing to design and implement unless you make it the same as unmounted combat with a model swap I guess, and even then they have to make a host of new animations for the mounted version of each spell and ability)
A Halla would be a horse once i got done with it.
Saddle and Stirrup not to mention I would be picking the direction we would be going.
Halla aren't standard animals, and I am not sure they actually are domesticated by our understanding of the word.
Halla are DA's version of the unicorn, and apparently intelligent, if DAO's quest where you need to communicate with a halla to find out what's wrong with it is any indication. There's also some suggestion that they mate for life, which isn't deer-like at all--deer live in herds and stags mate with more than one female. If they could be ridden into combat without being guided with a bridle, they are also ridiculously brave, though it's just as likely that they could be guided by touch as it is that they were smart enough to know how to charge into battle on their own. The Dalish seem to have a sort of reverence for them; I doubt they are used for meat or hair or hide, unless it's when they die of natural causes.
Halla aren't standard animals, and I am not sure they actually are domesticated by our understanding of the word.
Halla are DA's version of the unicorn, and apparently intelligent, if DAO's quest where you need to communicate with a halla to find out what's wrong with it is any indication. There's also some suggestion that they mate for life, which isn't deer-like at all--deer live in herds and stags mate with more than one female. If they could be ridden into combat without being guided with a bridle, they are also ridiculously brave, though it's just as likely that they could be guided by touch as it is that they were smart enough to know how to charge into battle on their own. The Dalish seem to have a sort of reverence for them; I doubt they are used for meat or hair or hide, unless it's when they die of natural causes.
In Fantasy you can break tougher things then a white coated deer pretending to be a Unicorn with its weird antlers
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But my meaning was that i think Halla could be converted into a Human beast of burden with a mixture of affection, tough love and just beating the **** out of it.
You know like breaking a horse.
Since it's not an MMORPG I don't think it matters about the different sort of mounts you can get. Maybe armour for the horse you get, but there are only a few areas that you actually need to use a horse to get around in.
In Fantasy you can break tougher things then a white coated deer pretending to be a Unicorn with its weird antlers
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But my meaning was that i think Halla could be converted into a Human beast of burden with a mixture of affection, tough love and just beating the **** out of it.
You know like breaking a horse.
Beating a horse isn't a good way to tame it--sort of like it's a bad idea to beat any animal, or how beating the snot out of a child is a bad idea. It is a good way to make the horse lose its spirit, or worse, make it into an ornery, mean-spirited horse that doesn't want you or anyone else on its back and will turn on you at the moment you least expect it.
Considering halla seem to be almost human in intelligence (if not ACTUALLY human in intelligence, remember that the Dalish can talk to them), treating them with anything less than respect would be a pretty ugly thing to do. The reason the Dalish let them do as they please is probably because on some level the Dalish consider the halla a form of people. Not two-legged talking people, but people all the same.
Beating a horse isn't a good way to tame it--sort of like it's a bad idea to beat any animal, or how beating the snot out of a child is a bad idea. It is a good way to make the horse lose its spirit, or worse, make it into an ornery, mean-spirited horse that doesn't want you or anyone else on its back and will turn on you at the moment you least expect it.
Considering halla seem to be almost human in intelligence (if not ACTUALLY human in intelligence, remember that the Dalish can talk to them), treating them with anything less than respect would be a pretty ugly thing to do. The reason the Dalish let them do as they please is probably because on some level the Dalish consider the halla a form of people. Not two-legged talking people, but people all the same.
*Uncle has raised horses since he was 12*
*Has assisted his uncle in breaking 3 separate horses*
The system of carrot and stick works VERY well for breaking horses, its a tried and true method despite how the animal right nuts try to condemn it. You get the message into it's head that's property and most of them take it quite well, a few don't they need extra attention either in the form of equating good behavior with it getting fed or just getting it over the pain of having a strirrup and saddle on it.
Believe me dear friend, i know the process, there's good money in breeding, raising and breaking colts.
And i think having a semi sentient mount could come in hand if it got that the rider was the boss in the equation and not merely a passenger.
They stated point blank Griffins are a dead species.
When did they actually say this? Did a dev say it or was it part of the lore established in the game/external material? Because if it was game lore then that is all told from the perspective of the bard/scholar/story teller and is meant to be unreliable information. If a dev said it, well it wouldn't even be a retcon if they wanted to change their minds.
However I doubt we will get a griffon mount, or any flyer, for general gameplay. A near unrestricted Z axis would be a huge change and complication for a party based story games Bioware makes. If we did get one it would only be to travel between set points, like hopping on Flemmeths back (or getting clutched in her talons) and getting a ride.
I'm actually fine with horses and would love to have more developed personalities to them like Dog in DAO.
I want to know if our companions will also have mounts, whether they will vanish when we mount, or run along at breakneck speed.
*Uncle has raised horses since he was 12*
*Has assisted his uncle in breaking 3 separate horses*
The system of carrot and stick works VERY well for breaking horses, its a tried and true method despite how the animal right nuts try to condemn it. You get the message into it's head that's property and most of them take it quite well, a few don't they need extra attention either in the form of equating good behavior with it getting fed or just getting it over the pain of having a strirrup and saddle on it.
Believe me dear friend, i know the process, there's good money in breeding, raising and breaking colts.
And i think having a semi sentient mount could come in hand if it got that the rider was the boss in the equation and not merely a passenger.
Because your uncle does it that way, doesn't mean it's a good way, or the right way, to do it. I know people who have horses, too, and they don't beat them to tame them. They actually use patience with the animals, and it's incredibly effective because the animal then learns that people are a good thing from a very young age. They want to please, they don't frighten as easily. Yes, they correct them if the animal isn't doing something they want right, but they don't beat them because that tends to make the animal frightened, and a frightened animal is always unpredictable. Same reason you shouldn't beat a dog.
Beating an animal, and correcting it with a quick light tug on the reins etc. are not the same thing. Beating is abusive, whether you do it to a horse, a dog, or a child. So do not down talk to me when you are condoning the abuse of animals. Abuse in any form is always wrong. Animals can't protect themselves against it, neither can children.
And halla do not appear to be semi-sentient; they appear to be actually sentient and sapient. Not partially. So while useful in combat situations, again, having a plot where you beat the snot out of one isn't my cup of tea. Go for it if you want to be evil, but the rest of us recognize that abusing animals is a bad thing to do. Even my most malicious characters wouldn't be puppy-kickers or horse-beaters. You might rely on that animal someday in a pinch, better to treat it well than to make it hate and fear you.
When did they actually say this? Did a dev say it or was it part of the lore established in the game/external material? Because if it was game lore then that is all told from the perspective of the bard/scholar/story teller and is meant to be unreliable information. If a dev said it, well it wouldn't even be a retcon if they wanted to change their minds.
However I doubt we will get a griffon mount, or any flyer, for general gameplay. A near unrestricted Z axis would be a huge change and complication for a party based story games Bioware makes. If we did get one it would only be to travel between set points, like hopping on Flemmeths back (or getting clutched in her talons) and getting a ride.
I want to know if our companions will also have mounts, whether they will vanish when we mount, or run along at breakneck speed.
Eh it was a few years back and in one of the MANY mount threads that have sprung up in BSN.
I guess i could go digging for it if pressed.
Eh it was a few years back and in one of the MANY mount threads that have sprung up in BSN.
I guess i could go digging for it if pressed.
Don't worry, I believe you. My point was don't be too certain about these things, the devs change their minds all the time and to do so about decisions not even established in the game is fine.
Because your uncle does it that way, doesn't mean it's a good way, or the right way, to do it. I know people who have horses, too, and they don't beat them to tame them. They actually use patience with the animals, and it's incredibly effective because the animal then learns that people are a good thing from a very young age. They want to please, they don't frighten as easily. Yes, they correct them if the animal isn't doing something they want right, but they don't beat them because that tends to make the animal frightened, and a frightened animal is always unpredictable. Same reason you shouldn't beat a dog.
Beating an animal, and correcting it with a quick light tug on the reins etc. are not the same thing. Beating is abusive, whether you do it to a horse, a dog, or a child. So do not down talk to me when you are condoning the abuse of animals. Abuse in any form is always wrong. Animals can't protect themselves against it, neither can children.
And halla do not appear to be semi-sentient; they appear to be actually sentient and sapient. Not partially. So while useful in combat situations, again, having a plot where you beat the snot out of one isn't my cup of tea. Go for it if you want to be evil, but the rest of us recognize that abusing animals is a bad thing to do. Even my most malicious characters wouldn't be puppy-kickers or horse-beaters. You might rely on that animal someday in a pinch, better to treat it well than to make it hate and fear you.
So now i'm evil for using traditional tried and true means over new age hippie bologna? Laughable and i have contempt for the very notion. And i didn't say anything about beating the product half to death, I spoke of establishing dominance, ensuring it GETS the relationship. Its a method of conveyance, Property. Pain is an effective teacher, both in humans and animals; And pain comes with being a riding horse, best they get used to it young. You think they find totting people or property comfortable? Having saddles dig into them? Best toughen them up, As i said. Tough Love, Affection and beating the "snot" out of it are the three best things to use unison.
I also pointed that towards the end of the spectrum, because ultimately if you cannot establish dominance, cannot instill within it the notion that you expect it to be whatever you require it to be at the drop of the hat? It leaves the animal unpredictable. You break its will and sure you can't be "friends" with it, but it will never turn on you and it won't fail you, it will actually respond to pain over failure. Tasks over self, If only people were so easy eh?
And they can appear whatever you want them to appear to you, Inability to comprehend basic arithmetic aside, its an animal and we are discussing mounts.
To me it would be a mount.
Don't worry, I believe you. My point was don't be too certain about these things, the devs change their minds all the time and to do so about decisions not even established in the game is fine.
ironically i said the same earlier in the thread.
But that was the last comment by them that i have seen on it, so as far as i have known they haven't changed their mind.
Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but nothing is quite as iconic as the horse. I guess it helps that horses are real and all, but still
Deer are real, too, we just don't ride them. --No wait I take that back, we do. Reindeer are domesticated.
Let's see. Real world mounts also include llamas, alpacas, and camels--only if you're small/light enough to ride a llama or alpaca, of course. Donkeys, mules... we use goats and dogs to pull carts, as well as oxen. In some countries people ride elephants, and have throughout history. So even if we restricted the options to things that really exist, it can be more varied than horses.
But personally I like the idea of culturally flavoring things with racial mounts. Humans have horses, elves have halla, dwarves have brontos, and the qunari being so large probably have their own special mounts.
I would not be opposed at all to having my mount preassigned from the beginning, but if so I would like it to have a personality or something. In fact I'd prefer that even if I have to buy my mount--real world animals do have personalities, etc. Horses getting spooked would be an interesting mechanic.
Meh only Canadians ride reindeer. Maybe people in Alaska. Russians ride bears into combat.
Seriously though, I can see more exotic mounts, but given the lore, I'd count out the halla since elves don't control them like horses.
Hence why Humans need to domesticate them!
Hence why Humans need to domesticate them!
So they can ruin what is essentially an icon for the Dalish by treating them like worthless property?
Eh. No. Humans ruin whatever they touch.
I think both mounted combat and flying mounts (gryphons or otherwise) will be ruled out. The problem with flying mounts is - ask any Blizz dev (yes, the other B guys), it changes the game design in dramatic ways you have to plan around. (And they could even if that impact in a non-MMO). Mounted combat is also a big zots problem. I put it in the category of swimming, jumping, climbing, or scabbards & cloaks. Like, I'm not counting on it.
Still, I am wondering what ground mounts will be like. We know at least some will be horses, and they will be basically persistent, like they don't disappear when you get off them (looking at the other B guys here).
According to Capt Frank Ramsey in Crimson Tide, use enough voltage and you can teach a horse to deal cards. Maybe the same applies to the halla.
Exactly!
So they can ruin what is essentially an icon for the Dalish by treating them like worthless property?
Eh. No. Humans ruin whatever they touch.
Pity they are the dominant species in Thedas then and they aren't going anywhere huh?
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