I'll be frank... The shapeshifter specialization back in DA:O was garbage. I mean hey, I like it when I put four points into a tree and do less DPS than I would've done without it. Having to invests in strength on a mage to make this tree half-ass was... yeah, no comment.
Anyway, jokes aside. Morrigan will be returning in DO:I, so I think it's reasonable to believe that the shapeshifter specialization might make a return as well. So here's hoping they don't f**k it up, if it does return.
I'm not sure how Morrigan playing a part = Shapeshifting in a spec we can choose from.
I'm not sure how Morrigan playing a part = Shapeshifting in a spec we can choose from.
it's not unreasonable to believe that you might be able to receive shapeshift training from Morrigan.
Shapeshifter was a horrible spec. I never put any points into it with Morrigan, she never switched out of human form. I never take it on my mage characters.
It would be nice if they would make it less horribad-terrible-useless. Like, shapeshifting into a wyvern, BioWare? please
I agree; if shapeshifting makes a comeback it needs to be improved by a lot. It was the first specialization I took because it seemed so awesome, and it turned out to be a huge disappointment.
it's not unreasonable to believe that you might be able to receive shapeshift training from Morrigan.
You're assuming the Inquisitor will interact with her.
You're assuming the Inquisitor will interact with her.
Yes I am. Considering that she has a in-game model, I would assume you interact with her. In some way, shape or form.
Yes I am. Considering that she has a in-game model, I would assume you interact with her. In some way, shape or form.
But will we in a way that will get us training from her? Because I kind of doubt that. Call it a gut-feeling.
Yes I am. Considering that she has a in-game model, I would assume you interact with her. In some way, shape or form.
Hawke never interacted with Cassandra in DA2.
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The forms were simply garbage.
Something like a Tiger or Drake would actually be fun.
I'm not sure that any of the specializations from DAO will make a return, or that the specialization mechanic will much resemble the way things were done in the first game. Having said that, if shapeshifting does make a return, it would be a good idea to emphasize non-combat uses for the ability; think of using the rat form in the Fade to enter/exit passages that are too small for the PC, etc.
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I'm not sure that any of the specializations from DAO will make a return, or that the specialization mechanic will much resemble the way things were done in the first game. Having said that, if shapeshifting does make a return, it would be a good idea to emphasize non-combat uses for the ability; think of using the rat form in the Fade to enter/exit passages that are too small for the PC, etc.
Hawke never interacted with Cassandra in DA2.
The in-game pictures we've been shown of Morrigan doesn't look like they're part of a cinematic. Then again, all of this is just my speculations. And the point of this thread was not, "will you interact with Morrigan or not?", but rather, "will shapeshift return?".
This is a very interesting option, but wouldn't it require special circumstances to be created just to use it?
Probably, although it would depend on what you mean by special circumstances. One potential headache is the fact that DA has always been a party-based game; your party members probably don't all have the ability to turn into mice for instance, so using an ability like that would require you to leave your party behind at least temporarily (Similar considerations have prevented DA from implementing stealth mechanics that I find satisfying; even if you're a great sneak, that doesn't mean your party members are; do you design things so that your clumsy dwarf companion can give away your position in an instant, or something else?). To be honest, I think a fully satisfying answer would require getting into the nitty-gritty of level design, which unfortunately I don't have the knowledge or background to do.
I hope the shape shifter specialization returns!I'd prefer it to have different forms in inquisition though...I really hated the spider and swarm shapes.Not to mention the corrupted versions.
Long term shapeshifting is very hard to balance, I think. You can't have Mages who turn themselves into Warriors indefinitely unless they're clearly worse than real warriors. But in a party based game, there's little utility to being able to turn into a weak warrior.
From a gameplay point of view I'd prefer having powerful, quick activating, but relatively short term transformations. Though from a lore point of view that may not be ideal.
I tried it once, and I haaaaaated it. If it returns, either it has to be revamped or not at all. I'd enjoy some type of buildup, start out as something smaller like a Wolf and for the final slot maybe a "mature dragon" like from DA2. Could be fun.
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Well, it probably wouldn't work then. Specializations in past DA games have been combat oriented anyway. Not to say that can't change, just that it would be surprising if the devs did make such a change.Probably, although it would depend on what you mean by special circumstances. One potential headache is the fact that DA has always been a party-based game; your party members probably don't all have the ability to turn into mice for instance, so using an ability like that would require you to leave your party behind at least temporarily (Similar considerations have prevented DA from implementing stealth mechanics that I find satisfying; even if you're a great sneak, that doesn't mean your party members are; do you design things so that your clumsy dwarf companion can give away your position in an instant, or something else?). To be honest, I think a fully satisfying answer would require getting into the nitty-gritty of level design, which unfortunately I don't have the knowledge or background to do.
I beg to differ! Shapeshifting was great, for role-playing purposes. Other than that, well...
If I took the spec it was always for RPG reasons I rarely used it for combat which is a shame because I like the idea of it.
Maybe we could choose one animal shape and it gains effectivenenss as we level?
Hm. Shapeshifting. It seemed like such an awesome ability, and then when you played it, it just wasn't.
Wulfrum: You might be right, in the sense that the game seemed to be trying to make a mage into a warrior. But none of the creatures you could become would be better armored or have better abilities than the enemies you'd be facing later on. The only way to make it useful, then, was to have the tree fully unlocked from the very early game and invest heavily in strength--after the early game it becomes useless.
I also think becoming corrupted creatures was a bit off kilter. If you aren't corrupt yourself, your forms shouldn't be (so that made sense for the Warden, but not for Morrigan). Plus, there was a very limited number of forms available.
Shapeshifting could be a lot more interesting if it didn't necessarily just make you into a warrior, but gave your mage other abilities that may or may not be useful in combat. For instance, become a cat or a squirrel for stealth, nothing notices you until the spell wears off or you end it. For poison and stealth, be a snake or a small spider. Spiders shouldn't be warriors. But if you want to be a warrior, turn into a bear. (It might be interesting if there could be armor made for your beast forms--then you could turn into a massive armored bear.) Or, maybe a halla. Higher level fighting abilities might mean taking the form of a drake or a dragonling. It would just depend what you needed to do. Unfortunately the game never seemed to treat it that way, and yet I can't help but believe that there was definitely some purpose to using the animals they did. But no one ever seemed to do well with any of them, so... Your guess is as good as mine.
I tried it once, and I haaaaaated it. If it returns, either it has to be revamped or not at all. I'd enjoy some type of buildup, start out as something smaller like a Wolf and for the final slot maybe a "mature dragon" like from DA2. Could be fun.
That would be brilliant!I wanted to shapeshift into a dragon since the first time I fought Flemeth in origins. But I doubt it will ever happen since it's would be quite tricky to pull off...Unless it's a cutscene.
I'd prefer we shapeshifted into animals in inquisition, instead of insects(particularly spiders)!Definitely not arachnophobia-friendly...
That would be brilliant!I wanted to shapeshift into a dragon since the first time I fought Flemeth in origins. But I doubt it will ever happen since it's would be quite tricky to pull off...Unless it's a cutscene.
I'd prefer we shapeshifted into animals in inquisition, instead of insects(particularly spiders)!Definitely not arachnophobia-friendly...
It would be awesome if Dalish mages could turn into halla. And human mages into mabari.
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