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[Master Warder Z_]

Unless it flat out says it isn't then yes.

 

What Dalish fans cling to...

 

Man is what people see when i am talking my hope for Lambert still being alive?

 

T___T Kami feels ashamed now.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As discussed before the Dalish may have misinterpreted something Orlais did to be the first move, so in their eyes they are reacting. Meanwhile Orlais doesn't see it that way thus see it as the Dalish starting it. The devastation of a simple misunderstanding is a tragic one.

[Master Warder Z_]

Genocide on a huge scale not being anything special? Watch out so you don't cut yourself on that edge.

 

Just my point that entire cultures have been enslaved or killed to a man in the course of a single war.

 

The Romans did it A LOT.

 

Its not common in the modern age because people whine about it too much to get away with it.

[LobselVith8]

As i said they are entitled to their ignorance i just don't expect the world to magically shower their view across it self considering how bad they are sharing and how arrogant they are.

 

Those hicks can keep to their mud god and reindeer, If anything the Dalish are responsible for their perspective not being known outside of themselves.

 

Course considering for the most parts its all incorrect...well probably for the best just for historical accuracy.

 

The members of the Andrastian faith seem more concerned with converting the uninitiated than understanding them, considering they want to convert the world to the Chantry to bring back the Maker.

 

As for the Dalish, I respect their perseverance in staying true to themselves, in refusing to surrender their religious beliefs despite threats of violence against them, and maintaining their culture and heritage despite the adversity they faced over the centuries.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This debate reminds me of: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=M1SiHkQGxWo

[Shadow Fox]

What Dalish fans cling to...

 

Man is what people see when i am talking my hope for Lambert still being alive?

 

T___T Kami feels ashamed now.

I'm far from a Dalish fan but even then I'm not going to deny it's possible they aren't completely to blame for what happened given that the Chantry and Orlais do have a history of forcefully conquering others and real history has shown us such matters are generally far from clear cut black and white.

[LobselVith8]

Exactly my point.

 

They can keep their false history, I just don't want the world to reflect like those beliefs are magically true just because they are Dalish.

 

Political correctness ruins the modern age after all.

 

Considering the other aspects of Dalish culture and perspective that are omitted in WoT (as well as the fact that the text never explicitly states one historical account is correct over the other), I'm not inclined to agree.

 

I also don't see what's "politically correct" about players not knowing which side is correct. The historical event transpired centuries ago; it's not surprising the player isn't in a position to know which side (if either) is accurate.

[Master Warder Z_]

This debate reminds me of: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=M1SiHkQGxWo

 

As Dr.Klein so eloquently put it; it is not an argument when one side is clearly right and the other is clearly wrong.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm far from a Dalish fan but even then I'm not going to deny it's possible they aren't completely to blame for what happened given that the Chantry and Orlais do have a history of forcefully conquering others and real history has shown us such matters are generally far from clear cut black and white.

 

Fair enough.

 

Its just that all historical evidence seems to point in one singular direction and history tends to show us that if 90% of the evidence is pointing towards one person committing the crime.

 

They generally did it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Dalish are not to blame for the war. We already know that there had been border skirmishes and tensions in general for a long time between Orlais and the Dales. What we however can now confirm is that the Dalish codex entry on the matter, is entirely incorrect. That is all that really should be taken from WoT on the subject.

[Steelcan]

The Dalish are not to blame for the war. We already know that there had been border skirmishes and tensions in general for a long time between Orlais and the Dales. What we however can now confirm is that the Dalish codex entry on the matter, is entirely incorrect. That is all that really should be taken from WoT on the subject.

 

And that is not uncommon for aggressors

 

 

I mean nobody believes that Poland attacked Germany first, despite there being "proof"

[LobselVith8]

It seems to me that the devs are saying which side is right through this book which is "Word of God" material and not-written from an in-universe perspective

 

Its inaccurate because WoG has told us the truth, and it lines up to the Andrastian perspective

 

World of Thedas never reads that the Dalish historical account about the fall of the Dales is incorrect. So far, no developers have provided any information to say which side is correct. At this point, I don't think players are in a position to know what the truth actually is.

[Steelcan]

World of Thedas never reads that the Dalish historical account about the fall of the Dales is incorrect. So far, no developers have provided any information to say which side is correct. At this point, I don't think players are in a position to know what the truth actually is.

 

Yet one account is given in the book the other is not

[Master Warder Z_]

Yet one account is given in the book the other is not

 

Which basically equates to.

 

One perspective has word of god canon on it side and the other does not.

 

It's pretty easy to see why.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder if the Second Volume of the World of Thedas will involve more Dalish information?

[Shadow Fox]

World of Thedas never reads that the Dalish historical account about the fall of the Dales is incorrect. So far, no developers have provided any information to say which side is correct. At this point, I don't think players are in a position to know what the truth actually is.

Pretty much and if Mr. Gaider ever flat out says the Dalish attack was unprovoked or not I'll just shrug my shoulders and move on.

[Mirrman70]

I feel as though most of the people here are just arguing for the sake of arguing. There is no answer as to whose account is the right one or even if either of them are the right one. For all we know the correct account is made up of truths from both sides as is the case in much of our history. there are two sides to every history, the victor's and the loser's and neither is completely true.

[Steelcan]

Which basically equates to.

 

One perspective has word of god canon on it side and the other does not.

 

It's pretty easy to see why.

 

I WILL NOT STAND FOR THE IRL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THE DALISH

[LobselVith8]

Fair enough.

 

Its just that all historical evidence seems to point in one singular direction and history tends to show us that if 90% of the evidence is pointing towards one person committing the crime.

 

They generally did it.

 

There are two historical accounts about the fall of the Dales, with the humans blaming the elves and the elves blaming the humans, and no evidence to prove one right and the other wrong, since the event transpired centuries ago.

 

You're welcome to your personal preference to which side you think is correct, but that's not the same as historical evidence.

[EmperorSahlertz]

There is an answer. Lobesel just refuses to believe that his Dalish master race could ever be wrong.

[Steelcan]

There are two historical accounts about the fall of the Dales, with the humans blaming the elves and the elves blaming the humans, and no evidence to prove one right and the other wrong, since the event transpired centuries ago.

 

You're welcome to your personal preference to which side you think is correct, but that's not the same as historical evidence.

 

And still only one account is mentioned in the "Word of God" status World of Thedas

 

stop clinging

[LobselVith8]

The Dalish are not to blame for the war. We already know that there had been border skirmishes and tensions in general for a long time between Orlais and the Dales. What we however can now confirm is that the Dalish codex entry on the matter, is entirely incorrect. That is all that really should be taken from WoT on the subject.

 

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take your opinion on the matter as irrefutable fact.

[Master Warder Z_]

There is an answer. Lobesel just refuses to believe that his Dalish master race could ever be wrong.

 

Well i do believe that just about sums up the thread.

[EmperorSahlertz]

And still only one account is mentioned in the "Word of God" status World of Thedas

 

stop clinging

Not to mention that this one accoutn in particular directly contradicts what the Dalish codex entry claims to be true. ergo, the Dalish codex entry is wrong.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take your opinion on the matter as irrefutable fact.

It isn't my opinion, it is WORD OF GOD. You can fight it all you want, I do jsut so dearly wish you would stop flodding the forums with your Dalish master race propaganda. It gets extremely tiring having to shoot you down every damn time.