Actually they said it's just not the default for Inquisition. There is no canon only default, and there's a reason for save imports and the keep.
That is a very good point to bring up, and I agree with you on that account. However, Shepard didin't have someone in party whose sole reasoning for being with you was to secretly save the Rachni Queen. Nor did that moment came at the part of game that was used as the twist before the climax. Nor did Liara or anyone else give that sly smile that makes you wonder what they got planned.
That "sly smile" you keep talking about could simply be Morrigan going "Ah, what a fool! Wanting to die even if there's an alternative." or "Well, I didn't got to do the ritual but at least that fool of Alistair will be gone forever, good riddance."
Or, as someone already suggested, it could be that Morrigan never wanted to do the ritual to begin with, so when the warden refuses she goes away thinking: "Well, I asked, my obligations to mother are fullfilled and I'm free...off to Orlais!"
I'm just supposing here, Jerrybns asked earlier about the smile Morrigan has as she leaves - what if she didn't really want to do the DR? It was Flemeth's idea apparently and Flemeth is not a factor now (hopefully) Would it seem likely that Morrigan would have the "Well I did ask and they said no" attitude hence the smile and off to Orlais?
I think they did a good job of animating Morrigan's anger when you turned her down, so she did seem to want the ritual with you or Alistair. As she said, it was easier that way than with Ridoran. The longer the taint was in the Grey Warden the least likely for success of a transfer. But the smile she gave at that crucial moment of the plot twist was what is making me ask these questions. What was she up to? Will it be addressed in this next game?
For all we know saying no actually made the plot twist er... twistier
Yeah, no getting around the fact that the Warden dies of soul overdose if you don't perform the DR. So no Old God soul to fill up Morrigan's baby husk.
I think they did a good job of animating Morrigan's anger when you turned her down, so she did seem to want the ritual with you or Alistair. As she said, it was easier that way than with Ridoran. The longer the taint was in the Grey Warden the least likely for success of a transfer. But the smile she gave at that crucial moment of the plot twist was what is making me ask these questions. What was she up to? Will it be addressed in this next game?
Alright, I went to youtube and watched a refusal scene: she doesn't smile, she merely looks over her shoulder, probably thinking that the warden is a fool, then exits the room, shapeshift into a dog and goes away. No "sly smile".
And how much of her explanation to get you to agree was she telling the truth? What was the point of establishing that she would lie and manipulate to get what she wants if they weren't going to use it at some point?
Argh that dog gets everywhere. in the Alienage, for the start of the CE origin, at Soldier's Peak, even in Amaranthine. I thought I was seeing things.
Well.....considering that the only GWs in Ferelden and Denerim at the time are your Warden, Riordan, and Alistair/Loghain.....I'd be MORE pissed as a fan if BW decided, "Hey, we gave you this HUGE decision to make....but it really didn't matter."
How is it that you not being the father of the OGB and someone else is, disrespecting your decision. You were offered a chance to help her and turned it down. Morrigan jseemed to be a mage on a mission to the point that she would have been prepared for an alternative if you said no. And if it was so important for you to stop her knowing full well that she had an alternative down the hall, why didn't you run down the hall way screaming to Riodran to, "Run! That hot witch in my party wants to have sex with you and save your life if you give the killing blow to the arch-demon!"
And WHY does every single game have to be about Morrigan? People were having the same spazzes with DA:II....."Why isn't Morrigan around....why isn't the OGB mentioned?"
IMO....Morrigan is probably one of the most memorable and strongest characters ever written by Bioware. Her story and the foundational stories laid down in Dragon Age Origins is just too good to pass up......IMO.
Hence, why I said I understand that it has been said the OGB is not canon. But, still, considering everything I said up above, I'm surprised.
I see we have someone here who refuses to accept the word of the creators of the setting when it contradicts their head canon.
Happens a lot in DA.
I've even been accused of it once or twice.
It was completely wrong and baseless mind you, but it apparently happens a lot.
Can someone check me on this? What does Morrigan actually lie about?
She doesn't. Actually, based on some disapproval gains in the stone prisoner dlc, she doesn't like people who lie, considering that she disapproves if you lie to the little girl's dad and she disapproves if you promise to help the demon and then go back on your word by trying to stop him from possessing the girl.
How is it that you not being the father of the OGB and someone else is, disrespecting your decision. You were offered a chance to help her and turned it down. Morrigan jseemed to be a mage on a mission to the point that she would have been prepared for an alternative if you said no. And if it was so important for you to stop her knowing full well that she had an alternative down the hall, why didn't you run down the hall way screaming to Riodran to, "Run! That hot witch in my party wants to have sex with you and save your life if you give the killing blow to the arch-demon!"
Other players decisions would be disrespected because if they chose to do the Ultimate Sacrifice then they'd find themselves with either a save they can't import or a save that has been retconned because Morrigan did the ritual anyway so their warden is alive and kicking. Same thing with players who chose to made Alistair/Loghain sacrifice themselves. If you can't understand this, then there's no point in discussing further.
Modifié par Antaine87, 04 mars 2014 - 06:01 .
I'd be interested to see what the first "told you so" thread will be when everyone is playing Inquisition. The outcome of DR is going to be there somewhere.
While I completely respect your opinion, I feel just as strongly as you do, but in the opposite direction. I refused the deal with Morrigan and my character died as a result. This was not an easy or meaningless choice.
I thought for a whole weekend about my decision, the possible implications, the likely repercussions, and came to the final decision that my good-hearted, idealistic warden would rather die than ask the man she loved to participate in such an act
But your choice to avoid Alistair being the one to performed the ritual with her would be respected. Alistair was not the father of the OGB. Someone died. But how strong or determined of a character do you think Morrigan is that she would pout a bit and then just go away? Wasn't she using you all for a reason? And what do you think that sly smile was at the end of the scene? What was the purpose for that animation to you?
But your choice to avoid Alistair being the one to performed the ritual with her would be respected. Alistair was not the father of the OGB. Someone died. But how strong or determined of a character do you think Morrigan is that she would pout a bit and then just go away? Wasn't she using you all for a reason? And what do you think that sly smile was at the end of the scene? What was the purpose for that animation to you?
People have already brought up the words of the writer of said character disagreeing with you. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to argue your point. It won't happen the way you've envisioned it.
I re-watched the scene (been a while since I played DAO), and I don't see anything in her expression that lead to think she was plotting something else.But your choice to avoid Alistair being the one to performed the ritual with her would be respected. Alistair was not the father of the OGB. Someone died. But how strong or determined of a character do you think Morrigan is that she would pout a bit and then just go away? Wasn't she using you all for a reason? And what do you think that sly smile was at the end of the scene? What was the purpose for that animation to you?
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Honestly, I don't even care about my current/original playthroughs anymore, until I get an idea how they handle this in DAI. Kind of feels like my conception of a "world state" for Dragon Age is now in flux.
But your choice to avoid Alistair being the one to performed the ritual with her would be respected. Alistair was not the father of the OGB. Someone died. But how strong or determined of a character do you think Morrigan is that she would pout a bit and then just go away? Wasn't she using you all for a reason? And what do you think that sly smile was at the end of the scene? What was the purpose for that animation to you?
As I have previously said, there's no sly smile.
Here's the link to the video, for those who want to check for themselves: http://youtu.be/GM0iL892Ee0?t=8m30s
http://youtu.be/GM0iL892Ee0?t=8m30s
Modifié par Antaine87, 04 mars 2014 - 06:31 .
Nope they said it won't be canon and thanks for that it would be stupid that our warden or companion died and morrigan still did ritual when no one dies when ritual is done... now only wait for negative consequences of ritual because i can't see that going other route besides i doubt that OGB will be big deal even mass effect (which was much better in import than da series) all it did is presented illusion of choice
To YOU. It is important to a lot of people. There are many players who purposely refused the DR knowing they could die, and who feel that it was the right choice for their Warden. Ignoring that is pissing on that choice and on the fates of thousands of Wardens.
The choice you were given to by Morrigan was to be a part of helping her save the Old God's soul. If you choose not to help her then die, then that was your choice. Why shouldn't that be respected? But that doesn't mean she wouldn't have any other options for such a situation. So yes, the whole "respect my player choice" for no OGB as canon is without foundation.
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And you know, not everyone thinks this whole "Old God Baby" thing is "epic." I never found it, or Morrigan herself, to be very compelling or interesting. The only reason I do it is to save my own ass, and that of my boyfriend.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking the OGB part was epic. I mean, Bioware itself did put it at the most crucial part of the story, the twist just before the climax. They wouldn't have put it there if it wasn't important to the story.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking the OGB part was epic. I mean, Bioware itself did put it at the most crucial part of the story, the twist just before the climax. They wouldn't have put it there if it wasn't important to the story.
I liked a lot the DR-OGB thing. That said, it's not a fundamental plot for DA.
Considering we went an entire game with out even a vague mention of it pretty much confirms that as the truth.
But your choice to avoid Alistair being the one to performed the ritual with her would be respected. Alistair was not the father of the OGB. Someone died. But how strong or determined of a character do you think Morrigan is that she would pout a bit and then just go away? Wasn't she using you all for a reason? And what do you think that sly smile was at the end of the scene? What was the purpose for that animation to you?
I agree that Morrigan should have been strong and determined enough to complete the ritual without the warden's help if it was truly possible for her to do so, but she couldn't, as has been stated many times by the game creators. It simply wasn't possible without the help of the warden. I personally think she also should have been intelligent and shrewd enough to have presented the idea of the ritual in a manner that my warden could have accepted, but she did not. Perhaps, as you say, she was merely using the warden all along, and her claims of learning to see my warden as a sister were all lies. Or perhaps she really did develop a softer side and that caused her be unable to force the ritual on unwilling participants. In any case we are both attempting to read emotions and motivations into a scene which simply doesn't show them. You see a "sly smile" as Morrigan turns to leave. I see a blank, possibly frustrated, unreadable expression.
Are you at all familiar with psychology experiments where a picture of a person with a blank expression is presented, and test subjects are asked to interpret the emotions of the person in the picture? People almost always project their own emotional state upon a blank picture. This is what is happening here. You want to see Morrigan triumphing over the warden, so that is what you see, even though there is no smile.
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