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[Jerrybnsn]

Alright, I went to youtube and watched a refusal scene: she doesn't smile, she merely looks over her shoulder, probably thinking that the warden is a fool, then exits the room, shapeshift into a dog and goes away. No "sly smile".

Oh yeah....I just watched it too.  That look back but her lips never move into a smile.  Well, it's been four years since I've turned her down.  And her look was the premise as to why she was thought to be up to something.  Hence, the believe that the OGB being canon would make sense.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I disagree with that sentiment, difficult, yes. But not entirely impossible.

I never said impossible, but unless they are going to remove race and gender customization or nerf having an Old God sul to mean basically nothing, I wouldn't put any money on it.

[KennethAFTopp]

I never said impossible, but unless they are going to remove race and gender customization or nerf having an Old God sul to mean basically nothing, I wouldn't put any money on it.

I think the general idea would be that the OGB would be one of several possible backgrounds for a future possible protagonist

[Artemis Leonhart]

Oh yeah....I just watched it too.  That look back but her lips never move into a smile.  Well, it's been four years since I've turned her down.  And her look was the premise as to why she was thought to be up to something.  Hence, the believe that the OGB being canon would make sense.

Apart from the fact that Morrigan doesn't need a baby to have her own agenda, no, an OGB canon wouldn't make sense as me and a lot of others have already explained in a lot of posts. At least read them.

[Jerrybnsn]

Apart from the fact that Morrigan doesn't need a baby to have her own agenda, no, an OGB canon wouldn't make sense as me and a lot of others have already explained in a lot of posts. At least read them.

It's taken me this long to get back to reading all the posts.  Anyway, the look back was the premise that she had another plan.  Whether that was going to Riordan or something else seemed very plausible that the OGB would be canon.  Like I said, it would seem out of place for her just to quit.  And the point of looking back, you see her reiterating that the Warden was a fool, and I remembered  it as it was time to go to plan b.  Why put it there, if it meant nothing?

 

And as far as her lying and manipulating, she admits to doing it to Templars.  As far as admitting she manipulates others she accuses dog of it when he leaves something in her "unmentionables" and says she does it herself.

 

The OGB was a great opportunity for the Dragon Age series to move forward along.  It would be such a shame if Bioware didn't take advantage of it.

[Artemis Leonhart]

It's taken me this long to get back to reading all the posts.  Anyway, the look back was the premise that she had another plan.  Whether that was going to Riordan or something else seemed very plausible that the OGB would be canon.  Like I said, it would seem out of place for her just to quit.  And the point of looking back, you see her reiterating that the Warden was a fool, and I remembered  it as it was time to go to plan b.  Why put it there, if it meant nothing?

 

And as far as her lying and manipulating, she admits to doing it to Templars.  As far as admitting she manipulates others she accuses dog of it when he leaves something in her "unmentionables" and says she does it herself.

 

The OGB was a great opportunity for the Dragon Age series to move forward along.  It would be such a shame if Bioware didn't take advantage of it.

She looks over her shoulder because she thinks the warden is a fool in wanting to die for whatever reason. Since she didn't get what she came for, she considers herself free from any obligations, both from her mother and the warden, whom she doesn't regard as a friend anymore, since he/she didn't trust her.

And for the upteenth time, no, an OGB canon wouldn't make sense. How do you explain the warden/Alistair/Loghain dying when the ritual is not performed and the archdemon is striken by anyone of them? David Gaider himself said that if Morrigan somehow managed to do the ritual even with the warden's refusal, then no one would have died slaying the archdemon. If not even what the lead writer says on the matter satisfies you, I really don't know what else to say.

[BlueMagitek]

 

 

In some of my games, including my "canon" game, I did the Dark Ritual. In some of my games, I did US or Alistair or Loghain died. The choice to literally die so Morrigan cannot get that baby is huge. The only reason to refuse the Dark Ritual is if you think that Morrigan is not to be trusted and that the OGB is something inherently evil. If Morrigan just goes and gets the baby anyway, despite the fact that your player character literally, again, died so that she couldn't, that would, indeed, be hugely disrespectful of player choice.

 

 

That is not quite correct.  There are also:

1. Doing your job as a Grey Warden and putting an end to the threat once and for all
2. Getting revenge on behalf of your gods (Dalish)
3. Giving a man you looked up to a chance to redeem himself (Human Noble -> Redemption Ending)

And many more that are possible to come up with; the world certainly doesn't revolve around Morrigan.

[mupp3tz]

I was going to post a lengthy response but decided OP is way in too deep that I'm going to cringe whenever I hear the term "sly smile." The problem is that your arguments rest in what ifs prior to game climax when we know exactly what happens when you do not do the DR... Someone dies. Which undoubtedly shows that there was no alternative or side plan. No ritual means no ritual.

Whether or not you think it's a plot point of epic proportions is moot. The developers are cooking up something that they believe makes the OGB decision relevant. Whether or not you find it satisfactory is personal and frankly I believe you are going to be disappointed.

[Master Warder Z_]

When you see Morrigan three years after doing the Dark Ritual, she tells you that the kid is still just an innocent child. It's been nine years since the events of Origins. I really doubt a nine-year-old is going to play a crucial role in the story.

 

I was just a child once 

 

 

That said God refuses to share his place!

 

Down with the false god!

[Steelcan]

What is going on in here?

[BlueMagitek]

I was just a child once 

 

 

 

That said God refuses to share his place!

 

Down with the false god!

 

I'm sorry, Pain.  I can't let you do that.

[Jaulen]

What is going on in here?

 

Just another 'The DA World should revolve around Morrigan and the OGB' thread.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm sorry, Pain.  I can't let you do that.

 

I may have been bested by a fifteen something tween with an unhealthy ramen obsession who between him and his freinds all but destroyed my organization and its members of elite shinobi that i spent twenty plus years putting together... but i can not fail in my efforts at murdering a nine year old!

[BlueMagitek]

I may have been bested by a fifteen something tween with an unhealthy ramen obsession who between him and his freinds all but destroyed my organization and its members of elite shinobi that i spent twenty plus years putting together... but i can not fail in my efforts at murdering a nine year old!

This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

[Master Warder Z_]

This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

 

is it? 

 

pity in my playthrough said child never existed to begin with, furthermore if the option presents it self to take said abominations life on the off chance in one of my playthroughs is in the future allows that idiocy.

 

He will die, He will be never be born or he will die regardless!

 

Thus is God's will!

[Malanek]

The OGB is just one of many plot instances that will never be fully touched upon while the game uses such a vast collection of flags. For a story set when such a child is still young I don't think it is that big a deal, the child will simply not have a major part in the story. I think of much greater significance is what happened in Orzamar back in origins. Whether they kept the anvil of the void and who would sit on the throne would seem to me to have immediate and significant consequences on the entire continent. There are probably quite a few other decisions that would be more important as well but it has been a while and I don't recall them off hand atm.

[BlueMagitek]

is it? 

 

pity in my playthrough said child never existed to begin with, furthermore if the option presents it self to take said abominations life on the off chance in one of my playthroughs is in the future allows that idiocy.

 

He will die, He will be never be born or he will die regardless!

 

Thus is God's will!

 

Let me put it this way, Pain.  The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.

[Steelcan]

You all belong in museums

[Master Warder Z_]

BAD Nagato! BAD!

 

*Sulks*

 

I enjoy being pre therapy no jutsu

[Spectre slayer]

Not really. It would have to be a Human Male. And the soul of an Old God would make them too overpowered compared to the other race-gender options.

  

That's not entirely accurate since we can do the ritual with any race in DAO, so it would half to be an elf blooded or a slightly taller dwarf according to Gaider who talked about how an human+ dwarf would produce a taller dwarf, while and elf and a human will produce an elf blooded human that looks human due to many thing's.

I disagree with that sentiment, difficult, yes. But not entirely impossible.

 

Very very very difficult, the big problems are that he's gender locked as male and completely optional and only would be available to be who did the dr and I really don't see them doing that.

 

I never said impossible, but unless they are going to remove race and gender customization or nerf having an Old God sul to mean basically nothing, I wouldn't put any money on it.

 

They wouldn't have to remove race customization just add half breeds or an elf blooded and change somethings, though yes they would have to remove the gender customization which is probably very unlikely.

We don't even know what effect the old gods soul has on the child or even what they are, they would have to clear up a lot of thing's before ever addressing the possibility of him being playable or as a main character.

I'm not sure if the ogb would ever be the protagonist for numerous reasons.

 

It's taken me this long to get back to reading all the posts.  Anyway, the look back was the premise that she had another plan.  Whether that was going to Riordan or something else seemed very plausible that the OGB would be canon.  Like I said, it would seem out of place for her just to quit.  And the point of looking back, you see her reiterating that the Warden was a fool, and I remembered  it as it was time to go to plan b.  Why put it there, if it meant nothing?
 
And as far as her lying and manipulating, she admits to doing it to Templars.  As far as admitting she manipulates others she accuses dog of it when he leaves something in her "unmentionables" and says she does it herself.
 
The OGB was a great opportunity for the Dragon Age series to move forward along.  It would be such a shame if Bioware didn't take advantage of it.

Are you still going on about that? What part of Gaider refuting her having an alternative plan and calling the idea of coming up an alternative plan where she had the ogb no matter what lame don't you understand.

It wouldn't make sense for them to make the ogb canon considering all of the work they putt into the additional media they created where he doesn't exist, are they supposed to disregard all of that and their own internal canon? No, if they ever went to a canonical path I guarantee you that you will be very upset as we already have an extremely good idea what their canon is and they even said numerous times the dalish ultimate sacrifice is their canon/ default settings.

I get that you like the whole ogb plotline but this is getting ridiculous, since you've been refuted over and over again by us and by the devs including Gaider whose quotes are apart of this thread. Yet you continue to ignore them for some reason, and it doesn't seem like you're bothering to read any of the posts in this thread and are pretty much just ignoring them all. Especially since you keep going on and on and on about this when you're whole argument and theories hold no merrit and were refuted time and time again.

Here's a quote from Gaider about the ogb that I posted before but whatever here it is again.

There are some people saying on the forums that they expect the Dark Ritual to be the focus of an entire game, like "Oh, I think I should be playing the Old God baby and everything should revolve around that."

Again, with that we have to make a completely different game for the person who did the Dark Ritual or didn't do the Dark Ritual, and we can't do that.

So if you did the Dark Ritual, if and when we brought Morrigan back, you should get something extra for having done the Dark Ritual, for having imported it, and it affects your game in some important facet.

It may not be as important as some people like, but it can be important, and provided we have the time to create the content...ideally there would be unique content, as much of it as possible for these variations.

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Seriously just let it go.

[Martyr1777]

The reality is this whole scenario is broken. I'm not sure why they didn't see this coming in DAO, but they wrote themselves into a very tiny corner.

No you can't have either choice be primary plot driver since to do so would require two different games to cover both options. Simple enough.

The real problem then becomes the fact that the proposal was a total 'oh ****!' Moment and remains as such either way you go. Its been referred to as a loose thread, the rachni queen was a loose thread. The DR is a much bigger deal,especially when you have Morrigan coming back with a major role in DAI.

The DR refuse'ers are up in arms that they avoided it for whatever reason and don't want it changed. Fair enough, but you can't simply ask those that de the DR to take their lumps when events that significant get written into nothingness.

Those quotes from DG made it sound like either way there will be something juicy for both camps. But the reality is it can't be as juicy as the OGB deserves, nor can it be that big for those that refused. Bioware screwed up, simple as that. But that's ok, I'm still looking forward to DAI and seeing Morrigan again. Yet at the same time, if they aren't going to follow one character like ME then I wish they would stop having so many reappearances of past character companions. Morrigan had to be the worst when yo consider the DR and Witch Hunt.

[Jessica Merizan]

(Moved thread from Scuttlebutt to Story, Campaign, & Characters)