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[Hanako Ikezawa]

"God sir" I like that 

 

In all seriousness i'd argue that given most MS run off of Ultra compact Fusion or Fission reactors compared to the Yggdrasil Drive a fictional energy conveyance powered by an unknown material generating unknown amounts of energy. But i'd point out we can see how much energy it would take to move a 20 foot tall object compared to what would move a fifty to sixty foot tall object, and generally those with greater mass require more power for movement.

 

<_<'' Those Knightmares are adorable little midgets compared to a good old fashioned MS.

 

I like Mecha o.o

 

Glad you caught that.

 

Well, that little Mordred's main weapon can actually destroy a small mountain in a single shot, which is more than most MS can do, despite only being a sixth the size at least. 

 

I love mecha.

 

We should stop this though before Lotion yells at us again.

[Master Warder Z_]

Glad you caught that.

 

Well, that little Mordred's main weapon can actually destroy a small mountain in a single shot, which is more than most MS can do, despite only being a sixth the size at least. 

 

I love mecha.

 

We should stop this though before Lotion yells at us again.

 

An Impressive feat no agruing that it's just you have several Mobile Suits and Mobile Weapons capable of matching or exceeding that level of destruction.

 

The Apsalus series of Mobile Armor comes to mind first.

 

This floating behemoth was designed for the destruction of a series of fortified bunkers buried underneath a mountain range, its main particle weapon was capable of not only penetrating the ground to the level of the base but also cutting through its armor all in a manner of six seconds according to simulation. So not only does it cut through a mountain, it also destroys the base beneath it.

 

I not going to list many more considering you have several notable mobile suit models capable of fielding modified nuclear weapons or in the Zaku 1's case its Fission reactor being able to act in place of one if breached. It could readily be converted into a ten kiloton thermonuclear weapon.

It's been a favored Genre of anime for me, for many years, it was in fact the first genre i was ever exposed to way back when.

 

And He can yell at the moon and then i can point out how my daddy made it.

[Ieldra]

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WTF...? Where has this thread gone now? I don't even know what you're talking about... If I may remind: the topic was the OGB.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Settle down kids.

 

Or does Daddy have to come down and deliver some smackdown?

[Master Warder Z_]

Settle down kids.

 

Or does Daddy have to come down and deliver some smackdown?

 

What in my name is that?!

[Lotion Soronarr]

SDF-1 (Super Dimensional Fortress) Macross:

 

https://www.youtube....2QBYPWMi4#t=428

 

Ok, enough re-railing.

 

OGB talk....

[Spectre slayer]

After reading through the thread I wanted to ask something.. What makes the "OGB" so special?Not for the players, but for the world. It is a roughly 10 year old child and it has something describedas an old gods soul. But do we really know what kind of power a soul gives anything?We don't even know what a soul is in the first place..For all we know it could boost the childs talent in magic. I.e. Morrigan has a child with a warden but he refused the DR - thus the child lacks the soul-      S/he (yes I still believe the gender is not necessarily male) might still be a mage but a weaker one.      If the warden did the ritual, the child is a mage with much more power. What is the difference between     these two scenarios? Just the amount of power and that is something that could be achieved through    through other means if need be. If there was no pregnant Morrigan, then she maybe steals a child, who knows. We don't know what her (or Flemeth) plan is (or was) and why she wanted the child in the first place.I personally doubt she did it just to become a child, but that she has some sort of greater plan.Thus the refusal is a setback - nothing more and nothing less.  Anyways, ramblings aside, unless BioWare explains to us what it MEANS to have an old gods soul, we don'treally know what difference it makes and how big that plotpoint is in the first place...

Both the ogb and non ogb are confirmed to be male only by Gaider and by witch hunt, nor sure why people keep bringing this up or why some people think the ogb will happen no matter what or think Morrigan has some alternative way of making the ogb even when all of it has been refuted by the devs time and time time again.

David Gaider

"While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental.

So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely.

That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote".

http://social.biowar...715/6#13786619o

Depends on the timeline-- as of the end of DA2, Morrigan's child would be, what? 8 years old? He also might not exist.

Those are pretty dicey qualifications for a main character.

http://social.biowar...10947666/2&lf=8

He's only about 10 now and he will be neither ignored or made a footnote and will get more than a mention that he's somewhere hidden away and likely won't be all that important in DAI or the series in general just yet due his age, does that he mean won't be somewhat important in the future further down the line when he's actually old enough to do something.

No, but it's likely not going to be as important as some people are hoping and they even said as much , yes they do need to explain what all of that stuff means at somepoint but it's likely not going to be in DAI.

[Shadow Fox]

Knightmare Frames are just pathetic rip offs of their taller mobile suit cousins.

 

Now a Gelgoog? That's a Mecha.

The Zaku II was cooler.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Zaku II was cooler.

 

Well better then a Zaku Kai anyway, we can all agree on that.

[Sanunes]

-snip-

 

What I find interesting in that quote from Gaider is because of how people are making such high expectations with the OGB might limit what they do with it.

[Ieldra]

What I find interesting in that quote from Gaider is because of how people are making such high expectations with the OGB might limit what they do with it.

I don't understand. They might do less with it because people expect more? That makes no sense.

I expect some medium-level stuff. The only technical limit is that it can't be a required plot element. That leaves some pretty big possibilities, but I don't expect "really big" because the bigger it is, the more it might require a replacement plot element for those who didn't do the DR. I do expect a significant, medium-level divergence though, one that isn't limited to one or two lines of dialogue. For a choice acknowledged as "pretty fundamental", I think that's a reasonable expectation.

The most disappointing possibility is that they'll implement a medium-level divergence, but it ends up being irrelevant. That I find rather likely, unfortunately, since this kind of implementation has been a pattern in both ME and DA.

[Daerog]

BioWare could have a future DA title where a major character (possible companion) is the son of Morrigan. He would be a very powerful mage. So, if the player did the Dark Ritual, then it can be implied he is very strong because of his unique birth. If the player did the Ultimate Sacrifice, then his power can be implied as the mage being uniquely gifted and was able to deepen a connection to the Fade thanks to the teaching/training from his mother.

 

So, this way, the Old God Baby or just Morrigan's baby will play a big role in Thedas and then the story can continue without needing to worry about the kid as he will be some big shot mage with only his background being different from canon to canon. Kind of like the Warden.

 

Just my thoughts. BioWare may make it more complicated or just leave it in the background, a shadow to haunt the minds of long time fans.

[Sanunes]

I don't understand. They might do less with it because people expect more? That makes no sense.

I expect some medium-level stuff. The only technical limit is that it can't be a required plot element. That leaves some pretty big possibilities, but I don't expect "really big" because the bigger it is, the more it might require a replacement plot element for those who didn't do the DR. I do expect a significant, medium-level divergence though, one that isn't limited to one or two lines of dialogue. For a choice acknowledged as "pretty fundamental", I think that's a reasonable expectation.

The most disappointing possibility is that they'll implement a medium-level divergence, but it ends up being irrelevant. That I find rather likely, unfortunately, since this kind of implementation has been a pattern in both ME and DA.

 

The way I see the quote is that he might be more likely not to include the OGB if the expectations e sees around the internet become too high, but if the expectations aren't that high he might incorporate it more into the game because there won't be a reaction like in Mass Effect 3 with "my choices don't matter" because the game didn't require major plot arcs to revolve around one choice to meet those expectations.

[Ieldra]

BioWare could have a future DA title where a major character (possible companion) is the son of Morrigan. He would be a very powerful mage. So, if the player did the Dark Ritual, then it can be implied he is very strong because of his unique birth. If the player did the Ultimate Sacrifice, then his power can be implied as the mage being uniquely gifted and was able to deepen a connection to the Fade thanks to the teaching/training from his mother.
 
So, this way, the Old God Baby or just Morrigan's baby will play a big role in Thedas and then the story can continue without needing to worry about the kid as he will be some big shot mage with only his background being different from canon to canon. Kind of like the Warden.
 
Just my thoughts. BioWare may make it more complicated or just leave it in the background, a shadow to haunt the minds of long time fans.

Yeah, that would be the most disappointing way to do it, as I said: show some consequences and then make them all irrelevant. Bah.

[Daerog]

Well, they could make it complicated. BioWare could have events change the world depending on choices. Where in one canon the Imperium is reborn, another where the OGB is set up as a kind of god-king, another where the OGB is a legendary hero going from land to land helping, another where Orlais is split into two nations, and so on depending on actions of previous games. Then in order to keep sanity and not have to release 10 versions of a game to keep up with all the different possible world states, they pull an Infinite Crisis because the world Morrigan went to that wasn't the Fade or material world was actually the Antimatter Universe.

 

Then, after a few more world altering choices, they can do a time travel paradox, that when fixed, will pull Jade Empire into Dragon Age.

[Eveangaline]

I admit I'm quite glad they're not forcing it to be canon. I only ever did it once for the achievment, and never considered a big monumentous and amazing twist, but just a way for your character to not die at the end if you didn't want them to.

 

I'm quite glad my dead wardens sacrifices will not be ignored.

[Ieldra]

@Daerog:
There should be a middle path between "world-changing on a grand scale" and "irrelevant". Granted, there's a lot of YMMV in the distinction, but your latter scenario would be ridiculous and your former one disappointing.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

I'm very curious about this. It seems like devs made a pretty neat trap for themselves.

[Han Shot First]

 I have to say that I'm kind of surprised that the OGB was not canon on whether you did the ritual or not.  

 

Given the potentially large impact the OGB could have on Thedas (if he wasn't entirely optional) I always thought it was a bit of a missed opportunity for Bioware that it wasn't made canon.

 

If Morrigan's offer was refused by the Warden, I would have had her sneak off and seduce Riordan. Since Riordan is a senior Warder with a more advanced stage of the taint compared to the other Wardens in the party however, I'd have him be the desperation choice and not an ideal candidate. The ritual would thus fail to preserve the life of the Warden who slew the archdemon, but it would succeed in conceiving a child and *perhaps* capturing some shard of the slaughtered archdemon's soul. The OGB would then be canon in all playthroughs, though perhaps less powerful or special in a playthrough where Morrigan's offer had been rejected by the player character.

 

You could then have a sequel that revolved around the OGB.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Given the potentially large impact the OGB could have on Thedas (if he wasn't entirely optional) I always thought it was a bit of a missed opportunity for Bioware that it wasn't made canon.

 

If Morrigan's offer was refused by the Warden, I would have had her sneak off and seduce Riordan. Since Riordan is a senior Warder with a more advanced stage of the taint compared to the other Wardens in the party however, I'd have him be the desperation choice and not an ideal candidate. The ritual would thus fail to preserve the life of the Warden who slew the archdemon, but it would succeed in conceiving a child and *perhaps* capturing some shard of the slaughtered archdemon's soul. The OGB would then be canon in all playthroughs, though perhaps less powerful or special in a playthrough where Morrigan's offer had been rejected by the player character.

 

You could then have a sequel that revolved around the OGB.

 

 

First it would be dumb as how it doesn't save warden life if sould of archdemon goes to children?

Second it would kill entire sense and reason behind US or not doing ritual...

[Han Shot First]

First it would be dumb as how it doesn't save warden life if sould of archdemon goes to children?[/quote]

 

 

It only captures a shard of the archdemon's soul. The rest leaps to the Grey Warden that slew it.

 

Alternatively whether or not the OGB actually is divine or just a very powerful human could be left ambiguous. 

 

 

Second it would kill entire sense and reason behind US or not doing ritual...

 

The player should only have control over what the player character does. Morrigan is her own person, and should be outside the control of the player. Sometimes NPCs should defy player characters.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It only captures a shard of the archdemon's soul. The rest leaps to the Grey Warden that slew it.

 

Alternatively whether or not the OGB actually is divine or just a very powerful human could be left ambiguous. 

 

 

 

 

 

The player should only have control over what the player character does. Morrigan is her own person, and should be outside the control of the player. Sometimes NPCs should defy player characters.

 

Hmm no it doesn't work like that if it would the warden would be dead so it wouldn't have sense...

 

Not in so big decisions... as i said deicisions need offer something and not taking part in ritual meant to avoid OGB for certain sacrifice if you take that there is no point in that decision and also making it completely meaningless... when im big fan rp and not every decision need to have to consequences and impact such decisions should... they did that way da 2 and you know what it sucks...

[Han Shot First]

Hmm no it doesn't work like that if it would the warden would be dead so it wouldn't have sense...

 

 

 

 

It is a work of fiction, not science. It works however the writers decide to write it. If they had decided that a Morrigan/Riordan pairing could also produce the OGB while simulataneously failing to protect the demon-slayer, than such a thing would be entirely possible in the lore. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

It is a work of fiction, not science. It works however the writers decide to write it. If they had decided that a Morrigan/Riordan pairing could also produce the OGB while simulataneously failing to protect the demon-slayer, than such a thing would be entirely possible in the lore. 

 

Even writers have to follow logic and coherence when they can create universe and everyone in it they need to stick to it laws and story need have sense without it is just nonsensical letters written on paper... that would be nothing more than asspull destroying point of decision

[Han Shot First]

Even writers have to follow logic and coherence when they can create universe and everyone in it they need to stick to it laws and story need have sense without it is just nonsensical letters written on paper... 

 

There isn't anything illogical about it. The lore is what the writers make it. If they had decided that the dark ritual with Riordan could capture some shard of the essence of the Old God, there is no 'law' in the game world that says that can't happen.

 

The writers could also have decided in a sequel to leave the OGB's divinity ambiguous, so that it is never truly known whether the Riordan dark ritual managed to produce a reincarnated Old God or just a extremely powerful, but otherwise normal human.

 

 

that would be nothing more than asspull destroying point of decision

 

If you're going to make certain aspects of DA:O's endings canon, I think the OGB makes a lot more sense than canonizing certain epilogues for the Warden and the companions. I'd have left the canonicity of character epilogues determined entirely by the player (like for example where the Warden becomes Chancellor of Ferelden and Leliana remains in Denerim), but Morrigan would conceive a child regardless of whether or not the player character approved of it.