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[TheLittleBird]

WARNING: Spoilers for Mass Effect 1 and 2 and the Dragon Age comics follow.

 

In Mass Effect 1, Krogan companion Urdnot Wrex could be killed on Virmire following a heated argument with the rest of the crew about the facility that was located there. In Mass Effect 2, Shepard and co. head to Tuchanka, meeting the current Urdnot clan leader. If Wrex lived after Virmire, he is the clan leader and will have a warm converstaion with his old friend Shepard. If he died, however, the Normandy crew will meet Urdnot Wreav, Wrex's broodbrother and the current clan leader.

 

Now, let's go back to wonderful Thedas. These are the Dragon Age forums after all. Now, in the comics, wich take place after Dragon Age ][, current King of Ferelden Alistair meets Sten, his old war-friend that he met during the Fifth Blight. In the comic-canon, Hawke killed the Arishok during the Qunari attack on Kirkwall, and Sten has become the new Arishok after this event.
But this is just the comics' canon. Within the game of Dragon Age ][, players can actually choose to not fight the Arishok and let him live (which my canon Hawke did). If that happens, the Arishok won't die during the Qunari attack (obviously).

 

So let's say we'll meet the Arishok of the Qunari sometime in Dragon Age: Inquisition. I'm doubtful that will actually happen, but we could. I'm sure we will at some point in the universe, though.
So how do you think BioWare will go about with this? Do you think the DA developers will 'pull an Urdnot clan leader' with the Arishok? I.e. we'll see Sten as the Arishok when our Hawke killed the old one or we'll see the... well, the Arishok as teh Arishok when our Hawke let the Qunari leave without a fight? Or do you think we'll all see the same Arishok (Sten, possibly), because the old Arishok died before that point, regardless of the choices we made at the end of Act 2 in DA2?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts!
Cheers, Tom 
 

[wcholcombe]

We could see neither as Arishok if you killed Arishok and let Sten die in DAO.

[Artemis Leonhart]

Perhaps they will do something like this, but I don't what might actually change in the interactions: after all, the Inquisitor doesn't know Sten personally, so there wouldn't be any "cheerful" reunion, and while I as a player would be overjoyed to see Sten again, my character would simply be indifferent as s/he doesn't know neither Sten nor the "old" Arishok.
Perhaps we might have a dialogue option like Hawke had with Leliana, something along the lines of: "You are the  Sten? The very Qunari who helped the Hero of Ferelden to end the Blight?". And of course, Sten would probably reply that he is not a Sten, he is the Arishok, futher confusing the Inquisitor with ensuing hilarity.

[TheLittleBird]

We could see neither as Arishok if you killed Arishok and let Sten die in DAO.

 

Forgot about that. That's possible as well, yeah.

[TheLittleBird]

Perhaps they will do something like this, but I don't what might actually change in the interactions: after all, the Inquisitor doesn't know Sten personally, so there wouldn't be any "cheerful" reunion, and while I as a player would be overjoyed to see Sten again, my character would simply be indifferent as s/he doesn't know neither Sten nor the "old" Arishok.
Perhaps we might have a dialogue option like Hawke had with Leliana, something along the lines of: "You are the  Sten? The very Qunari who helped the Hero of Ferelden to end the Blight?". And of course, Sten would probably reply that he is not a Sten, he is the Arishok, futher confusing the Inquisitor with ensuing hilarity.

 

Just a simple, typical Sten's "NO." would suffice then 

[The Baconer]

Insisting on using "][" when referring to DA2 really annoys me.

 

ANYWAY, I think it's likely that they'll deal with this potential problem at a later time, as I don't expect there will be a lot of interactions with the Qunari, much less their military leader.

[Master Warder Z_]

I honestly hope Sten becomes Arishok.

 

He's a coward and he has no experience commanding anything larger then a squad.

 

Making him supreme commander is like taking a wet behind the ears private and putting him in charge of a campaign on a regional scale.

 

With him as their military commander, having to face the Qunari in the future becomes a much less frightening task.

[TheLittleBird]

Insisting on using "][" when referring to DA2 really annoys me.

 

I'm sorry. It's just that it resembles the Dragon Age logo '2' so perfectly  ;)

[Artemis Leonhart]

Just a simple, typical Sten's "NO." would suffice then 

Ah! Indeed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Considering what they did with leliana and anders you shouldn't be suprised if somehow sten escaped from his cage get his sword and come back to his homeland and will be arishok... just be mentally prepared for that.  

[TheLittleBird]

I honestly hope Sten becomes Arishok.

 

He's a coward and he has no experience commanding anything larger then a squad.

 

Making him supreme commander is like taking a wet behind the ears private and putting him in charge of a campaign on a regional scale.

 

With him as their military commander, having to face the Qunari in the future becomes a much less frightening task.

 

 

                             KNEEL BEFORE STEN

[Beerfish]

Do we know if the Qunari can in effect fire people from their titled jobs?  Even if the Arishok lived in DA2 the Qunari would have very good reasons to toss him aside due to his bumbling and massive incompetence and put Sten in his place as a new Arishok.

[TheLittleBird]

Do we know if the Qunari can in effect fire people from their titled jobs?  Even if the Arishok lived in DA2 the Qunari would have very good reasons to toss him aside due to his bumbling and massive incompetence and put Sten in his place as a new Arishok.

 

I don't know, that seems quite inplausible to me but also very plausible. I know, right? :/

[Torayuri]

[EDIT: Oops, nevermind.] It's been several years; it is possible the first died or something and replaced. I'm pretty sure Isabella escapes if she goes with him and you avoid the fight, so it's possible the Qunari consider him failed in his duty.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know that I'd expect to see the Arishok in person in DAI but The old Arishok never made it back to Par Vollen even if you gave him Isabella. And I hope we won't see Sten if the Warden left him to die in Lothering,  so I think they could conceivably try this down the line with Sten and a new Arishok.

[TheLittleBird]

[EDIT: Oops, nevermind.] It's been several years; it is possible the first died or something and replaced. I'm pretty sure Isabella escapes if she goes with him and you avoid the fight, so it's possible the Qunari consider him failed in his duty.

 

Yeah Varric tells Cassandra Isabela escaped three days after the Viscount's death. Also, no, I don't think the Qunari have two Arishoks.

[Divine Justinia V]

I actually expect to see him in DA:I

[thats1evildude]

Honestly, I strongly doubt that the Arishok - whether that's Sten, DA2's Arishok or some other qunari - is going to make an appearance in Inquisition, so it's a non-issue.

[TheLittleBird]

Honestly, I strongly doubt that the Arishok - whether that's Sten, DA2's Arishok or some other qunari - is going to make an appearance in Inquisition, so it's a non-issue.

 

I'm doubtful as well, but that's why I said "sometime in the DA universe". So future games as well.

[Malanek]

Perhaps they will do something like this, but I don't what might actually change in the interactions: after all, the Inquisitor doesn't know Sten personally, so there wouldn't be any "cheerful" reunion, and while I as a player would be overjoyed to see Sten again, my character would simply be indifferent as s/he doesn't know neither Sten nor the "old" Arishok.
Perhaps we might have a dialogue option like Hawke had with Leliana, something along the lines of: "You are the  Sten? The very Qunari who helped the Hero of Ferelden to end the Blight?". And of course, Sten would probably reply that he is not a Sten, he is the Arishok, futher confusing the Inquisitor with ensuing hilarity.

To me it doesn't matter a whit about having a cheerful reunion. That wouldn't be the point of it imo. I want to see the contrast between having "The Sten" who has a more intimate experience with non-Quanri culture and has a, slightly, broadened mind, compared to a Qunari who has not.

[thats1evildude]

I'm doubtful as well, but that's why I said "sometime in the DA universe". So future games as well.

 

It could happen, but it's also possible that enough time will pass by then that the current Arishok will have aged out of the role. If DA4 was set ten years into the future, would Sten still be fit for the position? That'd be twenty years after DAO, keep in mind. (While the qunari are long-lived, they don't have the centuries-long lifespan of krogan.)

 

They could also say "the old Arishok died fighting the Tevinters" or some such.

[TheLittleBird]

It could happen, but it's also possible that enough time will pass by then that the current Arishok will have aged out of the role. If DA4 was set ten years into the future, would Sten still be fit for the position? That'd be twenty years after DAO, keep in mind. (While the qunari are long-lived, they don't have the centuries-long lifespan of krogan.)

 

They could also say "the old Arishok died fighting the Tevinters" or some such.

 

Well yeah, sure, that could happen, but I just like speculating and fantasizing about it 

[Potato Cat]

Do we know if the Qunari can in effect fire people from their titled jobs?  Even if the Arishok lived in DA2 the Qunari would have very good reasons to toss him aside due to his bumbling and massive incompetence and put Sten in his place as a new Arishok.

We know they can have their roles changed. Tallis went from Tallis, to Athlok, to Tallis again. What's harder to tell is if the members of the Triumvirate can be replaced for failing to fulfil their role. The Tamassrans assign the role, but do they decide if the individual needs to reassigned? Do they have this authority over the Triumvirate in this respect?

Personally, I really hope it isn't a Wrex/Wreav situation, as there's few real tangible drawbacks to having Wrex in charge. The 'Stenishok' shouldn't really be necessary for the 'best' ending if you ask me.

[Steelcan]

So long as my Inquisitor can put them in their place I don't care

[Anvos]

Its only 1/3 of the options, or less considering it requires Isabella returning, Hawke being a horrible person, somewhat of an idiot (cut scene even all but says so), and forgetting horn head had no claim on the book besides the Qun since the Orlesians never made the hand over, meaning Isabella stole from the Orlesians and not Qunari.

 

Also wouldn't be that hard to off him since their is always a chance he promptly got killed in the war with Tevintar. 

 

As for Sten it isn't really that hard to believe that once the last people are trying to retreat, somebody opens the cage on the logic he might slow a few darkspawn down, Sten survives, kills a few more people to get back his sword, and then goes back to Par Vollen with a copy of the story of the 5th Blight.