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[von uber]

Sorry it was more in response to not attacking because of indoctrination; but the whole cerberus thing is a mess anyway.

I agree with wanting to force a situation where you are supposedly physically beaten, but as you say, that doesn't happen.

[MattFini]

The kai leng fight spoils a really good level.

 

That's how I feel.

 

I love the Thessia level. The desperation is so pervasive throughout it. I just wish we had been able to spend more time there.

 

But yeah, that Kai Leng fight...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

See, I can see the desperation and terror of the Asari, but given their track record and general involvement, I can't really find much of a reason to care. Granted, I'm not afraid to lay waste to the entire galaxy if it means achieving my goals, so I'm not going to feel much empathy for people who's deaths buy me time to finish the Crucible.

[Iamjdr]

I'm just going to say buddy, your idea of combat is very limited. Ever hear of combat pragmatism?

The whole purpose of combat is to win so that you can end a conflict faster. It doesn't matter how. There's no rules for cheating or fighting dirty.

I can't believe I'm actually defending Leng here, but he's doing the smart thing. Fighting without honor might make you (just you) feel bad, but fighting with honor will get you killed.

There's an adage about fighting in combat; 'If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.'

1) Kia leng is an honorless bastard regardless if he is in a fight or not
2)I never once said he shouldn't cheat or use underhanded tactics to win where are you getting this from? He's fighting shep, one of the biggest badasses in the galaxy and two of his squad. Ofcourse I would expect him to do what it takes to win
3) your posts basically agree with what I said except you have some problem with me callin leng an honor less bastard because...?
4) please inform me what my idea of combat is?

To say someone cheats and or uses unfair tactics, while a completely legitimate tactic to win. doesn't not make it an any less cheap or underhanded win.

[CronoDragoon]

Massively just misread your post, I think. You mostly agree except Massively doesn't think it makes sense to use the word "cheating" to combat.

[von uber]

Dunno, they give second highest war assets if I recall correctly. Amd I find their history reveal through javic (and liaras subsequent meltdown) really interesting and adds more to them than simple blue space babes.

But like a lot of me3, it could have been a whole lot more.

[Iamjdr]

A few of them :/ ah okay well by cheat I really just mean he used cheap or underhanded tactics. Tho like I said, its a perfectly valid strategy. he knew he was losing so he played it smart and had the gunship do the work he couldn't.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Massively just misread your post, I think. You mostly agree except Massively doesn't think it makes sense to use the word "cheating" to combat.

 

There's no such thing as underhanded tactics or cheating in war.

 

Or life. Spartans used to brutally beat children caught cheating, stealing food, etc. to make up for the absolutely rigid standards set forth by them. It wasn't to make some crap moralistic statement. It was to give the children incentive to not get caught, to be clever, crafty, and resourceful.

 

The only dishonor in battle is the one you lose. Then again, I'm a guy who's opinion about honor varies greatly from the norm. 

[CronoDragoon]

There's no such thing as underhanded tactics or cheating in war.

 

Well, there's definitely a thing called underhanded tactics. Whether or not that makes them ethically questionable enough to not use is another matter. For pretty much everyone who actually goes to war the answer is "yeah we'll use them."

[Iamjdr]

There's no such thing as underhanded tactics or cheating in war.

Or life. Spartans used to brutally beat children caught cheating, stealing food, etc. to make up for the absolutely rigid standards set forth by them. It wasn't to make some crap moralistic statement. It was to give the children incentive to not get caught, to be clever, crafty, and resourceful.

The only dishonor in battle is the one you lose. Then again, I'm a guy who's opinion about honor varies greatly from the norm.

That's great, still think your taking what I said way too literally, but have at it. And sorry, but throwing dirt in someone's eye and running off is underhanded, war or no war. Is it a valid tactic? Ofcourse

[CronoDragoon]

In any case the notion that Leng owes Shepard a duel or something similar is kinda silly, with Shepard running around with 2 squadmates at all times. Where's that awesome comic about this?

 

 

Credit to Padzi.

[Iamjdr]

Leng owes shep nothing, he got the satisfaction of impaling his goofy ass with an omniblade.

Edit
that's pretty hilarious

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

He really never seems to use his phase disruptor ability more than once on Cronos if I remember correctly. He uses it more as a biotic shield, and it's one that can be depleted rapidly with enough gunfire. 

 

And even if his sword does cut through shields and armor, still? Why the hell is he bringing a sword to a gunfight?

 

At Thessia, the only intelligence he really shows is bringing the gunship with him, which, as I said, if he was smart, he'd let it do all the fighting for him. 

 

Contrary to what iamjdr is saying about combat (which I can't stop laughing at), you don't fight fair. You fight to win. And it's not really that cool to see Leng just suddenly win because a cutscene is showing Shepard and company not fighting when they should be fighting. As I said previously, Shepard stops firing his weapon. An automatic weapon. At a point blank target. Leng was absolutely stupid to even step out of any kind of cover less than 20 feet from Shepard when he has such an advantage. But Shepard is even stupider because he stopped firing. And it gives Leng the opportunity to call in the gunship. Or Liara. She did the same thing. She just watched Leng run at her with a dumbfounded expression. Instead of shooting at him. I'm normally a detractor of Liara, but even I'd say she's smart enough to realize that if she has a gun pointed right at a guy running at her with a sword, she'd be firing until he was down. And the other squadmate. Why the hell is he running? Why the hell isn't he firing his weapon? 

 

It all comes across as very forced. 

 

I'm not opposed to Leng beating Shepard. But it was portrayed in such a terrible, terrible, terrible way.

 

It is horribly scripted. The only way around the horrible scripting is to micromanage the fight. You have to tell Liara where to take cover. You have to tell Javik to fire his weapon. You have to tell Liara to fire. And the interesting thing is that even if there is no fire coming from the gunship and Leng isn't charging if Liara is exposed for any time she will go down and you will have to use your Medi-gel. It is hard scripting. The AI cheats. I did get Javik to lay a dark channel and target Leng, but you have to continually pause the game. You can get Liara to actually do something but you have to continally pause the game.

 

The portrayal was terrible. 3:1 and he uses a sword, whines about his shield the entire time, and then the end of the battle cutscene. And David says this couldn't have been done better? I cannot facepalm enough.

[shodiswe]

KL isn't my favrite villain that's for sure, he's like a spoiled brat who seems to suffer from some kind of need to prove himself.

 

I'm guessing it's TIM's doubt in him that was making him act that way, it was very anoying however.... How can you take someone seriously when they arn't taking themselves seriously.

[shodiswe]

I loved the Citadel DLC however.

 

It was a nice break from the mindless zombie shooter experience that ME3 represents. It brought back story and characters making it a more enjoyable story.

 

The environment was also more alive, rather than dead corpses or a few survivors here and there.

[AlexMBrennan]

So how do you suggest the player characters get defeated in combat, as is sometimes necessary?

Like they did in Arrival maybe? 

 

however, there is nothing to say against the concept of "having a party" or something like that (the Normandy being repaired is a good excuse for that, actually).

Shepard isn't having a party - he's sent on a vacation in the middle of a very bloody war, where millions die on Earth every single day. What's worse, the party only amounts for a small portion of the time Shepard ends up wasting - much of the bonus content is Shepard literally playing video games whilst the forces of the galaxy wait for Shepard's word before they launch their offensive. 

 

At the end of the day, Citadel DLC is fun but Bioware has completely given up the pretense that they are making anything other than a series of random unconnected set pieces. The DLC is fun, but it just doesn't fit the story - battletech is fun, and elves are cool but suddenly having Gandalf show up in an Atlas is silly. 

[Iamjdr]

"The DLC is fun, but it just doesn't fit the story - battletech is fun, and elves are cool but suddenly having Gandalf show up in an Atlas is silly. "-AlexMBrennan

I've got to say, this has to be the most confusing analogy ever..