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[SporkFu]

I look at it like the Citadel DLC was a fantastic way, for all the people who created them, to bid Shep and all his buddies a fond farewell, and we were invited to the party... and we got a 80s action flick in the bargain. Score.

[TurianRebel212]

No. It's a parody of the endings. A parody of Shepard.

 

And biggest of all.

 

A pardoy of YOU... Which, in and of itself, is basically a pardoy of.... Shepard.

 

But also the community.

 

Actually Pardoy might not be the best word.

 

More like a critique and reveal.

 

 

But....

 

Just shut up and enjoy the ride..

 

Cause it was simply........

 

 

The best.

[von uber]

Does Shepard wear boxers or briefs?

Neither. Black knickers with matching bra.

[jtav]

Honestly, except for Thane's content "troubleshooting space divas" and a few other bits here and there I try to pretend the thing doesn't exist.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

There's a lot of stuff in it that is irritating in context. I'm even kind of against the party to a certain extent. The things I love are a lot of the single moments with the cast, especially with characters like Miranda. I only wish that I could define the relationships better in them. And define my Shepard more.

 

I wish it was more serious and not as clownish. I wish there was more of a metaphysical engagement for Shepard in wondering about who he was when dealing with the clone, and I wish that the clone plot was darker and more complex.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Neither. Black knickers with matching bra.

 

Boxer-Briefs. That's what he wears. For ladies, it's black panties and a tube top.

[Barquiel]

For the most part, I liked the DLC and the squad interactions (Jack, Liara, Miranda, Garrus, Samara, Grunt, Wrex, Zaeed and Thane all had great content, imo)...and some of the jokes really work, but others seem to strip away the dignity of the setting and the characters (the unromanced Traynor hot tub scene was just bizarre for example, not to mention James's "romance arc"). And it felt really disconnected, of course. I can appreciate some downtime per se, but I have a hard time accepting that Shepard plays arcade games whilst millions of people are dying each day.

[von uber]

Boxer-Briefs. That's what he wears. For ladies, it's black panties and a tube top.

It was a bra last time I checked..

[von uber]

Ah good old bsn, argue about anything

[Farangbaa]

People...

 

The mission is called Citadel: Shore Leave for a reason.

[Iakus]

I find Citadel to be a wonderful, light-hearted story not meant to be taken seriously.  One could certainly argue that it's too light.  But after the crushing despair that is the ending, the lightness is needed for a lot of people.  A glass of milk after eating something too spicy.

 

It's just a pity that more of an effort wasn't made to address the darkness that so many disliked in the first place, rather than create it's opposite number in Citadel.  This is a dlc that should not have been needed to begin with.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

It was a bra last time I checked..

 

I'm talking notionally. I don't care what's in the game.

[jtav]

I actually thought the games could have stood to go a bit darker. For a galactic war, it's pretty cheerful, especially for Paragons.

[von uber]

I'm talking notionally. I don't care what's in the game.

Ah but I was being nit pickingly pedantic. Sheps underwear is obviously important

[CronoDragoon]

The DLC succeeded at what it set out to do almost flawlessly. Many of the complaints about the DLC are wishing it was something other than what it wanted to be.

[Iakus]

I actually thought the games could have stood to go a bit darker. For a galactic war, it's pretty cheerful, especially for Paragons.

 

It was already plenty dark for me.  Especially if you listen to all the side-stories.  The old woman with dementia trying to find information about her son.  Private Talavi and her brother.  Ambassador Osaba's son.  Heck, deliberately avoid listening to the PTSD-asari commando now.

 

Not to mention children being gunned down at Grissom Academy.  Earth, Palaven, and Thessia on fire.  Sanctuary.  Legion.  Mordin.  Thane.  Anderson.  More with different choices in earlier games.

 

The entire story is surrounded by darkness and tragedy.  

[Argolas]

It's entirely appropriate that there is tragedy in the story of ME3. After all, we are facing galactic extinction, and every single survivor after the whole mess is one more than anyone else ever could save against this threat. However, it is also entirely appropriate that there is lighter times, humor and all that. After all, this story is about friendship as much as it is about war. Citadel DLC may have done a little too much for that at once, however, there is nothing to say against the concept of "having a party" or something like that (the Normandy being repaired is a good excuse for that, actually). The problem I do have with the DLC is that it is entirely irrelevant to the story.

[jtav]

But almost all the sad stuff happens to nameless, faceless people we know nothing about. A properly played Shepard goes from victory to victory until Thessia, and that's handled so ineptly that it has no emotional bite. Thane, Legion, and Mordin, are all chomping at the bit to die, so our mandatory or semi-mandatory deaths aren't tragic. I feel like I have to kill people off on the SM to get the proper gravitas.

[CronoDragoon]

But almost all the sad stuff happens to nameless, faceless people we know nothing about. A properly played Shepard goes from victory to victory until Thessia, and that's handled so ineptly that it has no emotional bite. Thane, Legion, and Mordin, are all chomping at the bit to die, so our mandatory or semi-mandatory deaths aren't tragic. I feel like I have to kill people off on the SM to get the proper gravitas.

 

I thought Thessia was handled rather well.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I thought Thessia was handled rather well.

 

What ruins it for me is the Kai Leng scene. It is just so over the top ridiculous.

[CronoDragoon]

What ruins it for me is the Kai Leng scene. It is just so over the top ridiculous.

 

What about it?

 

Edit: I mean what about it is more ridiculous than the ME series usually is?

[ImaginaryMatter]

The DLC succeeded at what it set out to do almost flawlessly. Many of the complaints about the DLC are wishing it was something other than what it wanted to be.

 

That sounds like me. It wasn't what I wanted but I certainly enjoyed it. I just like complaining.

[Iakus]

But almost all the sad stuff happens to nameless, faceless people we know nothing about. A properly played Shepard goes from victory to victory until Thessia, and that's handled so ineptly that it has no emotional bite. Thane, Legion, and Mordin, are all chomping at the bit to die, so our mandatory or semi-mandatory deaths aren't tragic. I feel like I have to kill people off on the SM to get the proper gravitas.

The thing is, these characters may not be central to the story, but they do have names, and tehy do have faces.  And some of their stories are heartbreakingly sad.

 

Shepard may go from victory to victory until Thessia, but it's done by passing through wall after wall of tragedy.  Shepard isn't really "winning", but shoring up the galaxy until they get a chance to strike back.

 

I also didn't see Thane, Legion or Mordin as "chomping at the bit" to die. 

 

Thane is on borrowed time, and is at peace with that, but still wants to spend as much time with his son as he could.  Which is cut short.

 

Legion has to die for...reason, I guess.  But he certainly wasn't eager to go.  His last words, I believe, are "I am sorry"

 

Mordin wants to give the krogan a second chance, and is willing to die to atone for his "mistake" and is probably the closest there is to one who is eager to die.  But even he wanted to "run tests on the seashells"  He's more akin to the grizzled old cop who's two days from retirement.

 

But yes, the story itself seems overall made for the no-import, no choices Shepard who leaves a trail of corpses in his wake.  Rather than a Shepard who actively tries to avoid tragedy.  I think it speaks more of the game trying to force tragedy where it's not appropriate than anything else.

[CronoDragoon]

That sounds like me. It wasn't what I wanted but I certainly enjoyed it. I just like complaining.

 

Well, who doesn't? We're on forums after all!

[ImaginaryMatter]

What about it?

 

Edit: I mean what about it is more ridiculous than the ME series usually is?

 

It's entirely subjective to try and quantify levels of ridiculousness, but assuming I could, I would say its magnitudes above the rest. The fight itself is a big source of it. As far as game play goes it's uninspired and lame; it also creates this huge disconnect when you can utterly thrash Kai Leng and he then goes to recharge his shields in the wide open (in a covered base third person shooter), where you can continue to strip them down faster than he regenerates. Then the cut scene magic happens. When the gunship leaves at the end of it, I'm just wondering if I was destined to lose the fight no matter what, why every one decided to walk up to a guy who only uses a sword, where the gun ship was hiding the entire time, why the temple is just a thin floor built above a giant chasm, Prothean reasoning, why all these pointless exchanges with TIM, etc. And then the debriefing happens.

By the end of Thessia I am no longer engaged in the story but engaged in second guessing the developers. And all this happened on my first play through because it was so jarring to be beating Kai Leng and then lose to him through a cut scene and then have Shepard act incredibly out of character. I just can't take the game seriously any more when Cerberus shows up. Previously in the series when these kind of things happened, mainly the intros to both ME2 and ME3 the parts after them made up for their shortcomings. Unfortunately, for Thessia this is the point in the series where I no longer care what happens in the series, which especially cements it in my mind as the worst scene in the entire trilogy.