What I would do for the next ME game...
#1
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 06:27
#2
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 06:34
In light of Leviathan Synthesis makes less sense, not more.
Leviathan indicates the problem that Synthesis is supposed to solve is not a universal, inevitable problem as the Catalyst proclaims. It indicates the Catalyst is not some eternal and necessary caretaker of the universe, just a pet project gone wrong.
#3
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 06:55
Ok, I really, really don't want this to become an ending debate so I have edited out all references to the ending I previously stated I would canonize. The general story still works with any ending, though it is a little less poetic with other endings.
#4
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 07:32
It's not the worst idea I've ever heard, but I really don't see the point of tying it to the endings. Firstly, this scenario basically indicates the Reapers were right, that things actually do go to hell without them. And that's certain to enrage players for no real benefit I see, except maybe validating the people who picked Synthesis I guess. Secondly, you're messing around with something that most people frankly just feel is beyond saving and want to forget about.
In addition, there are a LOT of problems with having everything take place in another galaxy and that far in the future. It might be pretty unconvincing if we have people running around with more or less the same weapons, wearing more or less the same armor, in more or less the same environments, using more or less the same technology a thousand years in the future.
I'm also not particularly fond of the bad guys being AIs again.
#5
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 07:45
Well, you can't just ignore the endings. The window for retconning them away has come and gone and died.
I argue that Leviathan makes the case that the Reapers are right. To quote the dialog:
None have possessed the strength in past cycles. Your own species could be destroyed with a single thought. But you are different. I have witnessed your actions in this cycle: the destruction of Sovereign; the fall of the Collectors. The Reapers perceive you as a threat. And I must understand why. Before the cycles, our kind was the apex of life in the galaxy. The lesser species were in our thrall, serving our needs. We grew more powerful, and they were cared for. But we could not protect them from themselves. Over time, the species built machines that then destroyed them. Tribute does not flow from a dead race. To solve this problem, we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost. As the intelligence evolved, it studied the development of civilizations. Its understanding grew until it found a solution. In that instant, it betrayed us. It chose our kind as the first harvest. From our essence, the first Reaper was created. You call it Harbinger.
Leviathans observed many instances of "organic civilization rises, creates synthetics, synthetics destroy organics" among its thrall races and even eventually succumbed to that fate themselves. I think it firmly establishes that in the ME universe organics are destined to create synthetics that are destined to destroy them. It's a fact of the ME universe, and I am building on that.
Aside from that, it's a setting and an antagonist, but not really a plot.
I'm not trying to write the next game; my goal was to find a way to write myself out of the corner Bioware wrote the series into by playing the "ancient aliens dead-set on destroying all life" card already. As stated above, the two guiding principles I used in this derivation are to increase the scope of the game over ME1-3 and build on existing lore. I only filled in enough detail to show that I am fulfilling those guidelines, there is still a lot of freedom to develop interesting story ideas inside of this framework that maintains the increasing scope of the series.
#6
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 07:52
It's a fact of the ME universe, and I am building on that.
If it was a 'fact' then Destroy would have been presented as futile.
And there's always the possibility it may be, in future installments.
But it hasn't happened yet. So it's a looooong way from 'fact.' As of right now, Destroy is portrayed as perfectly successful and peaceful.
#7
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 08:04
As for going to the Andromeda galaxy....I don't see the point of it being called Mass Effect if that's the case. Are we to expect Mass Relays in the Andromeda galaxy? Seems a bit of a stretch. I don't think we need another "high-level" epic plot about a threat to all existence. The worst possible thing BW could do is try to make the protagonist live up to Shepard, or try to make the next threat live up to the Reapers. They should do something different. Broaden their horizons. Flesh out the universe they've established.
As far as the whole re-visitation of the Dark Energy plot goes, while I do sometimes wish I could've seen it play out, I'd rather Bioware scavenge major parts of their narrative lore from sci fi novels other than the Revelation Space saga. Going from having the main villains and then having a galaxy-eating threat taken directly from the same source is a bit much.
I'm not in favor of canonizing an ending. But then again, I'm not really in favor of a sequel unless it imports the major decisions of ME3. Which doesn't seem possible, so....
#8
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 08:09
If it was a 'fact' then Destroy would have been presented as futile.
Uhhh Bob....
The Catalyst tells you just that.
#10
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Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 08:29
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I'd juggle flaming chainsaws for the next Mass Effect game.
#11
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 06:01
what are you doing? I don't need to see the ending. I've played through the game over 20 times. Not sure what you're getting across. You're saying that organics creating synthetics that eventually destroy them, is a "fact" of the MEU. And I agree.
Bob, on the other hand, doesn't agree. He says if it were fact then Destroy would've been presented as futile. Well, the Catalyst is literally presenting your choices. And the Catalyst literally tells you that our "children's children" will create synthetics and the chaos will return. I.e. "that **** is futile"
#12
Napisano 05 marzec 2014 - 07:28
what are you doing?
I'm agreeing with you and providing supporting evidence.
#13
Napisano 06 marzec 2014 - 01:51
How about a game set 100 years after a canonized destroy, peace on Rannoch and the Krogan Genophage cured (Geth destruction retconned). Mass Relays and Citadel fully repaired. All races return, with an entirely new cast of characters. I'd be extremely interested.





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