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[crimzontearz]

I'd say neither. But I've been told I'm occasionally a pessimist by my husband.

I can blindly accept the space magic in ME2 because I saw the results, Shepard walking around shooting things. I can't accept the magic in ME3 because when the game was over, all I had was the body, a smile and instructions to decide for myself whether or not someone found Shepard in time.

bla I play video games to have fun. I play video games with more then one ending to feel super happy when I see my character standing at the end of the game thinking about their future and those who didn't make it, and sad when they sacrifice them self because it had to be done.

If the only option is many ways of dying, all I think of is the many times I've had to watch family being buried. Downer man. Not fun.

you kinda forget tho that by the end of ME3 Shepard is more akin to a DC Victor Stone than anything else....yes he has endured punishment and whatnot but have you taken a gander to the upgrades you make to his body ON TOP of the Lazarus state of the art implants?

for the funzies, go look it up in ME2 (which gives the most details)...it makes his odds look much better

still, the delivery SUCKED

[von uber]

I think I did a thread on that a while back.

[3DandBeyond]

you kinda forget tho that by the end of ME3 Shepard is more akin to a DC Victor Stone than anything else....yes he has endured punishment and whatnot but have you taken a gander to the upgrades you make to his body ON TOP of the Lazarus state of the art implants?

for the funzies, go look it up in ME2 (which gives the most details)...it makes his odds look much better

still, the delivery SUCKED

That's the thing-the upgrades are tech and so would be trashed at the end of ME3, or at least partly trashed.  Good luck rescuing a torso briquette with no innards-and I don't give it good odds in gasping again, contrary to what BW intends us to glean from that.  I just have to wonder if anyone actually was paying attention to what they were writing in putting it all together.  It's like in the one minute they are saying that all oatmeal is poisonous and eating it will be fatal, and then in the next they show us the hero eating a huge helping of oatmeal and then dancing merrily through a field of daisies.  Yes, completely makes sense.  But at least in my scenario, we get to see the hero alive after eating toxic oatmeal that should have killed him.

 

It's also the fact that I never believed a super happy ending would or could be possible.  The galaxy has been trashed.  But then the story deserved one (at least one for crap's sake) ending where you could, if you wanted have the core group you cared about survive and see that those they cared about also survived AND where the galaxy is saved.  And, it would have been best if this had been achieved through the efforts of those within the galaxy and not some spooky super overseeing force of unknown origin.

[Iakus]

That's the thing-the upgrades are tech and so would be trashed at the end of ME3, or at least partly trashed.  Good luck rescuing a torso briquette with no innards-and I don't give it good odds in gasping again, contrary to what BW intends us to glean from that.  I just have to wonder if anyone actually was paying attention to what they were writing in putting it all together.  It's like in the one minute they are saying that all oatmeal is poisonous and eating it will be fatal, and then in the next they show us the hero eating a huge helping of oatmeal and then dancing merrily through a field of daisies.  Yes, completely makes sense.  But at least in my scenario, we get to see the hero alive after eating toxic oatmeal that should have killed him.

 

It's also the fact that I never believed a super happy ending would or could be possible.  The galaxy has been trashed.  But then the story deserved one (at least one for crap's sake) ending where you could, if you wanted have the core group you cared about survive and see that those they cared about also survived AND where the galaxy is saved.  And, it would have been best if this had been achieved through the efforts of those within the galaxy and not some spooky super overseeing force of unknown origin.

Not to mention regular old High EMS Destroy plays out exactly the same as Destroy Where Shepard Lives.  There is no explanation to why Shepard dies in one and is a Torso Briquette That's Not Quite Dead in the other.  Nor is there a reason why the LI "just knows" Shep's alive in one and not the other.  I mean, SHep was written off as dead before withthe Lazarus Project, what's so special now?

 

  Plus people continually forget that billions died in the war.  Both at the hands of the Reapers and Cerberus in addition to other actions, such as the fighting over Rannoch.  And more will likely die in teh rebuilding.  A completely happy ending was never going to happen.  But as you said, there was no reason Shepard and the crew couldn't survive saving the galaxy.

 

No reason than "This is no ordinary shooter.  This has drama!  And Feelz!"

[von uber]

It doesn't say tech as every starship and omnitool would be defunct. And that is clearly not the case.

[crimzontearz]

That's the thing-the upgrades are tech and so would be trashed at the end of ME3, or at least partly trashed. Good luck rescuing a torso briquette with no innards-and I don't give it good odds in gasping again, contrary to what BW intends us to glean from that. I just have to wonder if anyone actually was paying attention to what they were writing in putting it all together. It's like in the one minute they are saying that all oatmeal is poisonous and eating it will be fatal, and then in the next they show us the hero eating a huge helping of oatmeal and then dancing merrily through a field of daisies. Yes, completely makes sense. But at least in my scenario, we get to see the hero alive after eating toxic oatmeal that should have killed him.

It's also the fact that I never believed a super happy ending would or could be possible. The galaxy has been trashed. But then the story deserved one (at least one for crap's sake) ending where you could, if you wanted have the core group you cared about survive and see that those they cared about also survived AND where the galaxy is saved. And, it would have been best if this had been achieved through the efforts of those within the galaxy and not some spooky super overseeing force of unknown origin.

I told you this before 3D....the sole reason the breath scene exists is because, while Mac "The Artist" Walters wanted to kill everybody in the ending borderlining a torch the franchise and run moment, Casey and Preston pushed for a happier ending. Tho GIVING us a full on reunion scene would have taken even more people away from Mac's artistic pet endings...and we could not have that could we now?

Let's hope that Bioware's Promoveatur ut amoveatur maneuver works because all I know is that I am not purchasing any of their games without full spoilers first.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Why does Bob remind me of David?

 

It's a curious case indeed.

[AlanC9]

Nor is there a reason why the LI "just knows" Shep's alive in one and not the other.  I mean, SHep was written off as dead before withthe Lazarus Project, what's so special now?

I presume the explanation is simply that they don't want the scene to mislead the audience.
 
 

But as you said, there was no reason Shepard and the crew couldn't survive saving the galaxy.
 

The crew?

[mopotter]

you kinda forget tho that by the end of ME3 Shepard is more akin to a DC Victor Stone than anything else....yes he has endured punishment and whatnot but have you taken a gander to the upgrades you make to his body ON TOP of the Lazarus state of the art implants?

for the funzies, go look it up in ME2 (which gives the most details)...it makes his odds look much better

still, the delivery SUCKED

 

Not one of the comics I ever read.  I had Superman and supergirl (of course) Hawk, Justice League, Wonder woman (of course), Green Lantern and  the fantastic 4, avengers, and Xmen type comics.     I appreciate the idea, and if I could get the "chared" body out of my brain I might have an easier time pretending, but I'm far too literal now to be able to do that.  yes, the delivery sucked.  

[Iakus]

I presume the explanation is simply that they don't want the scene to mislead the audience. [/quote]

 

The crew?

 

If you have to metagame to understand a point, the point was not well conveyed.  Jsut saying.

 

EDI?  The character who has faithfully served Shepard across two games and gets an offscreen death/unpersoning in Destroy?

[Reorte]

Nor is there a reason why the LI "just knows" Shep's alive in one and not the other.  I mean, SHep was written off as dead before withthe Lazarus Project, what's so special now?

Literary / film convention of the sort that I find rather annoying, particularly when you rely on it contrary to get your message across in defiance of common sense (unless your fictional universe has already established some sort of telepathy).

[Argolas]

They just wanted to make sure everyone understands that they really meant to do a "Shepard lives" ending. There is no way for the character in question to know that Shepard is alive but that does not seem to matter.

[Iakus]

They just wanted to make sure everyone understands that they really meant to do a "Shepard lives" ending. There is no way for the character in question to know that Shepard is alive but that does not seem to matter.

Very little seems to matter beyond "But thats what they meant!" it seems.

 

"Our intention means nothing to the player when they are on the receiving end"

[Reorte]

Very little seems to matter beyond "But thats what they meant!" it seems.

 

"Our intention means nothing to the player when they are on the receiving end"

It felt like "the intent is clear so we're not interested in going to the effort of bothering to make it make sense."

[Bob from Accounting]

This is just silly.

 

Obviously, they can't have a memorial wall scene identical to the other two endings given how upset people are over not having a 'confirmed' scene of Shepard surviving.

 

Nobody is shouting 'Shepard's alive!' and throwing their arms up and dancing. It's a moments hesitation.

[Iakus]

It felt like "the intent is clear so we're not interested in going to the effort of bothering to make it make sense."

 

The quote was actually from David Gaider, which is why I'm somewhat more hopeful about DAI

[Bob from Accounting]

Iakus, why don't you just drop the facade and admit that you're hurt by BioWare and you need your happy ending? It's not really fooling anyone.

[Reorte]

The quote was actually from David Gaider, which is why I'm somewhat more hopeful about DAI

I'm really rather curious in seeing how DAI turns out, just to see what BioWare do more than for the game itself (I've not finished Origins and have heard enough about DA2 that I've no interest in buying it).

[Iakus]

Iakus, why don't you just drop the facade and admit that you're hurt by BioWare and you need your happy ending? It's not really fooling anyone.

 

I have never denied that I want the option  for one.

 

But even more, I want an ending that doesn't leave me feeling Shepard was worse than Saren.

[Bob from Accounting]

I wish your posts would sound a little less like begging.

 

You obviously don't like being in that position, but you're the one who put yourself there.

[CronoDragoon]

If you have to metagame to understand a point, the point was not well conveyed.  Jsut saying.

 

A curious stance, considering your point about the LI acting differently in Destroy vs. Control/Synthesis is 100% metagaming.

[mopotter]

This is just silly.

 

Obviously, they can't have a memorial wall scene identical to the other two endings given how upset people are over not having a 'confirmed' scene of Shepard surviving.

 

Nobody is shouting 'Shepard's alive!' and throwing their arms up and dancing. It's a moments hesitation.

A moment's hesitation where they did not put up the plaque. And that Mona Lisa smile.  Don't forget that smile which implies, I know your out there Shepard.  Hate it. <sigh>

[mopotter]

Iakus, why don't you just drop the facade and admit that you're hurt by BioWare and you need your happy ending? It's not really fooling anyone.

I"ll ______ well admit it.  I HATE WITH CAPITALS what they did.  I was hurt because of all the history I had with their games.  I was hurt like someone who loves can be hurt by the person they love.  

 

The the world in general - Don't give me that 'it's just a video game crap'.  Just a video game is oh Fable 3 or Divine Divinity, games I play once or twice and move on.  BioWare games are keepers,   You play BG back in '98 and you pull it about again years later because it's great.  You play KOTOR when it's released and play it every other year after that.  You pick up JE and play that continuously till ME and and then play it again a few years later.  You play ME 1 continuously until DA:O and the love just grows.  No other developer does what they did (past tense here).   Because the story, the charactes and the ENDINGS, make their games satisfying, like a good book, like he Count of Monte Cristo or Lord of the Rings, or the Dorsai series.  

 

AND no one I've seen has ever said - We only want ONE ending.  A happy ending.  NO.  We say they had 7 or more endings and one of those could have been happy.  

 

I'm going to play my Vence Shepard tonight and I'm going to enjoy all 3 just like I enjoyed the last pc play through because I know, if Shepard dies in one game, Shepard will live in another.  

 

 If my husband were here he'd say I'm doing my angry typing.   Going to take a walk and then head home.        

[CronoDragoon]

AND no one I've seen has ever said - We only want ONE ending.  A happy ending. 

 

Er, I do. Or at least, that was my preference- with EMS variations of course dictating details.

[mopotter]

I'm really rather curious in seeing how DAI turns out, just to see what BioWare do more than for the game itself (I've not finished Origins and have heard enough about DA2 that I've no interest in buying it).

So am I.  I'm on the ledge about pre-ordering it, a large part due to David G.