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[CronoDragoon]

Actually right from the start they were insisting the relays weren't destroyed.  The fleets got home "Nobody starved" these "retcons" were cosmetic changes because people (rightly) pointed out that the low and high EMS endings were virtually identical.

 

Uh no, the "nobody starving" had nothing to do with the relays. Patrick Weekes at PAX said that the fleets could upgrade their FTL from the dormant cores inside Reaper shells. Do you have a source where they claim the relays weren't destroyed in the original endings? Because in the original endings the Catalyst says they will be destroyed, full stop. That line is completely removed from the EC.

 

 

 

This is why from Day 1 I was saying that ME3 needed more and more varied endings.  Not the same endings with more details.

 

We all know that coming from you that's code for "a happy ending." (added, I'm not suggesting you believe it should be the only one) Just be honest about it like I am.

 

 

 

Because that's what would make me consider buying.  Not an absolute yes/no.

 

So if fans/reviewers you trust tell you the game is good and the ending is great, then you'll only consider buying it?

 

Let me ask you a question. What is the point of your question?

[Reorte]

If what they did is just as important, then my argument is just as good as yours, logically.
 

No, I'm saying that both whether they did and what they did are important. Just doing something isn't enough, it has to be something that has merit in its own right.

 

 

I'm not asking them to be happy. I only brought it up because there is precedent for BW to listen to fan feedback, so saying there's very little reason to believe they won't pull another ME3 ending is pretty groundless.

I don't think they will either to be honest; if anything I'm slightly concerned that they might over-react and veer too far in the other direction if, like the ME inventory thing, it takes them a couple of goes to get things right.

[mopotter]

I Loved the mako.  Shepard would drive right off the cliff and I could just hare Garrus or Talli yelling  Shepard - this is not an amusement park pay attention.

 

Didn't like the hammerhead. I kept ending up in the lava rivers.

[CronoDragoon]

No, I'm saying that both whether they did and what they did are important. Just doing something isn't enough, it has to be something that has merit in its own right.

 

 

That depends what I'm trying to argue. I think it would be pointless to say there's every reason to believe BW will listen to one's particular feedback and implement it to their particular liking, so the what isn't very important in this case as I'm not arguing that.

[Reorte]

I Loved the mako.  Shepard would drive right off the cliff and I could just hare Garrus or Talli yelling  Shepard - this is not an amusement park pay attention.

 

Didn't like the hammerhead. I kept ending up in the lava rivers.

I once did one Mako sidemission entirely on foot (although not trying to pick up every single thing on the planet), pretending that my squadmates point blank refused to go anywhere in it with Shepard driving.

[mopotter]

I once did one Mako sidemission entirely on foot (although not trying to pick up every single thing on the planet), pretending that my squadmates point blank refused to go anywhere in it with Shepard driving.

I may have to try this.  

[themikefest]

I Loved the mako.  Shepard would drive right off the cliff and I could just hare Garrus or Talli yelling  Shepard - this is not an amusement park pay attention.

 

Didn't like the hammerhead. I kept ending up in the lava rivers.

I liked the Hammerhead. The Mako I had more fun with especially running over the Geth.

[Iakus]

Uh no, the "nobody starving" had nothing to do with the relays. Patrick Weekes at PAX said that the fleets could upgrade their FTL from the dormant cores inside Reaper shells. Do you have a source where they claim the relays weren't destroyed in the original endings? Because in the original endings the Catalyst says they will be destroyed, full stop. That line is completely removed from the EC.

 

I believe it was Mr Weekes at Pax that year who said the relays "overloaded" and were not destroyed.

 

 

 

We all know that coming from you that's code for "a happy ending." (added, I'm not suggesting you believe it should be the only one) Just be honest about it like I am.

 

 

I never said otherwise.  But at the same time I want unhappy endings.  Not  an unhappy ending with a smiley face on it telling me it's a happy ending.

 

 

So if fans/reviewers you trust tell you the game is good and the ending is great, then you'll only consider buying it?

 

Let me ask you a question. What is the point of your question?

 

 

The question wasn't for you.  It was for the Bioware developers.  I want them thinking about the players they alienated, and how to get them back.

 

I want them thinking about it as it's being developed.  Not just when it's being marketed.

[mopotter]

I liked the Hammerhead. The Mako I had more fun with especially running over the Geth.

I wanted to like the Hammerhead.  The whole idea of a George Jetson, type flying car thrilled me, but I crashed and died so much more than I did with the Mako.  The first mission when your learning how to drive it, I committed suicide because I couldn't get out. Took a break and came back, but I am not meant to fly.

[AlanC9]

Uh no, the "nobody starving" had nothing to do with the relays. Patrick Weekes at PAX said that the fleets could upgrade their FTL from the dormant cores inside Reaper shells. Do you have a source where they claim the relays weren't destroyed in the original endings? Because in the original endings the Catalyst says they will be destroyed, full stop. That line is completely removed from the EC.

 

 

I was never quite clear what this had to do with starving anyway. if anyone's going to starve they'd starve long before any such retrofit happened. But given the distribution of garden worlds this would mostly be a problem for turians outside of turian space, and non-turians in turian space. (Potentially including turians in Sol system if the quarians are toast. OTOH, if Bio wanted to avoid that they could just make up an appropriate world near Sol.)

[crimzontearz]

I hope the new Project Lead forces the rest of the team to watch a constant loop of the medal ceremony from Star Wars while they work with intermittent scenes from the ME3 ending (and the breath scene)...and forces them to wear shock collars meant to go off each time the ME3 ending comes on screen....clockwork orange style.

YES, I wanted ALSO and AT LEAST the option of a goddamn happy ending and being 1: flat out denied of that even as one of MANY options and 2: watching them botch their mulligan and 3: watching them troll us at Comic Con gives this kind of knee jerk reaction

still, While I WANT to play the next game I will not without full spoilers, sorry, especially with the "in hindsight we would not change anything" crap I have seen them spewing I do not trust them AND I will tell others not to as well

[AlanC9]

I liked the Hammerhead. The Mako I had more fun with especially running over the Geth.

 

My problem with the Hammerhead is that when played correctly, it's kind of boring. Get someplace where the enemies can't hit you, fire until they're all dead. "Correctly" meaning what a sensible Hammerhead pilot would do, as opposed to a gamer who can just reload if he slips up.

[Massa FX]

I hope the new Project Lead forces the rest of the team to watch a constant loop of the medal ceremony from Star Wars while they work with intermittent scenes from the ME3 ending (and the breath scene)...and forces them to wear shock collars meant to go off each time the ME3 ending comes on screen....clockwork orange style.

YES, I wanted ALSO and AT LEAST the option of a goddamn happy ending and being 1: flat out denied of that even as one of MANY options and 2: watching them botch their mulligan and 3: watching them troll us at Comic Con gives this kind of knee jerk reaction

still, While I WANT to play the next game I will not without full spoilers, sorry, especially with the "in hindsight we would not change anything" crap I have seen them spewing I do not trust them AND I will tell others not to as well

Oh lol! Shock collars! Id love to see that. :-P

[AlanC9]

I hope the new Project Lead forces the rest of the team to watch a constant loop of the medal ceremony from Star Wars while they work with intermittent scenes from the ME3 ending (and the breath scene)...and forces them to wear shock collars meant to go off each time the ME3 ending comes on screen....clockwork orange style.

 

Yep. Leni Riefenstahl sure was a great director. Why not run her original rather than Lucas' copy, though?

[crimzontearz]

Oh lol! Shock collars! Id love to see that. :-P

gotta train them somehow

[AlanC9]

I never said otherwise.  But at the same time I want unhappy endings.  Not  an unhappy ending with a smiley face on it telling me it's a happy ending.

 

 

So instead of saying  "more and more varied endings," why don't you say "at least one additional happy ending?" 

[Jukaga]

Yep. Leni Riefenstahl sure was a great director. Why not run her original rather than Lucas' copy, though?

Ouch!

 

Triumph of the Will is an amazing film though. It should be required study if it isn't already.

[Iakus]

I was never quite clear what this had to do with starving anyway. if anyone's going to starve they'd starve long before any such retrofit happened. But given the distribution of garden worlds this would mostly be a problem for turians outside of turian space, and non-turians in turian space. (Potentially including turians in Sol system if the quarians are toast. OTOH, if Bio wanted to avoid that they could just make up an appropriate world near Sol.)

 

That's exactly what was meant.  Turians can't eat human food.  So if there are no quarian liveships in the Sol system, the implication is they'd starve before they could return to a dextro world.

 

And by extension, Garrus and Tali would die on that mysterious jungle world without rescue.  Unless it was a dextro world in which case the rest of the crew was screwed.

[Iakus]

I hope the new Project Lead forces the rest of the team to watch a constant loop of the medal ceremony from Star Wars while they work with intermittent scenes from the ME3 ending (and the breath scene)...and forces them to wear shock collars meant to go off each time the ME3 ending comes on screen....clockwork orange style.
 

 

Heck, just make them play out DAO's endings over and over, with all the various permutations possible.

[mopotter]

So instead of saying  "more and more varied endings," why don't you say "at least one additional happy ending?" 

I will say this.  I don't care how many endings there are 2, 5, 7,10, I want at least 1 of the to be in the KOTOR Celebration style. Or JE, or ME1, or ME2 or DAO or even DA2.  I want One 1 survive, we have a future and lets go live it.  It's true, they may die a week later in a plane crash going to some planet or other, but i won't see it.  it would be in the computer world and I won't know about it.

[Iakus]

So instead of saying  "more and more varied endings," why don't you say "at least one additional happy ending?" 

 

Because it's not just about me.  What I find to be a happy ending, others wouldn't like.  

 

I'd be fine if the relays were destroyed, but Shepard, EDI and the geth lived.  Others wouldn't be.

 

Others would want Shepard to be able to survive in Control.  Or Synthesis.  Or just have a reunion scene in Destroy.  Those wouldn't do it for me, but dangit, that should have been possible too!

 

Edit:  But if you're asking would I want an Everyone Lives ending if certain conditions are met, I'd say "Sure!"

[vallore]

So instead of saying  "more and more varied endings," why don't you say "at least one additional happy ending?" 

 

Would that be really accurate?

[Iakus]

It is, at the very least, incomplete.

 

Besides which, the more trollish pro-enders would have a feeding frenzy if the words "happy" and "ending" ever appeared in the dame post, let alone adjacent to each other

[shepskisaac]

That's exactly what was meant.  Turians can't eat human food.  So if there are no quarian liveships in the Sol system, the implication is they'd starve before they could return to a dextro world.

 

And by extension, Garrus and Tali would die on that mysterious jungle world without rescue.  Unless it was a dextro world in which case the rest of the crew was screwed.

You really think they planned it for Tali & Garrus to starve? Nah, this was just the extension of doom&gloom mood in the fandom after the ending. The devs were pre-occupation with symbolic/metaphorical cinematics and images, I heavily doubt they thought about such stuff like Tali/Garrus food. EDI-Eve and Joker-Adam in new "Eden", galaxy-reset "we're gonna build new civilization now", Grandpa+kiddo in pretty poetic winter space park, Catalyst dressing up the words in the most childish & non-telling way possible etc. You can almost track it by comparing to leaked Microsoft script notes how the Catalyst conversation was gradually becoming less "sci-fi"/techno themed and more pseudo-philosophical with the gradual removal/change of direct statements of technological singularity, how the Catalyst can no longer control the Reapers etc. At some point in production the 'artsy cinematic' just took priority, so I really doubt they were planning uber-massacre and starvations.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They really should learn a lesson. If they're going to do another trilogy: 1) do not do an "anyone can die" until the third installment and especially no essential characters can die until the third installment - they have "plot" lives for transfer purposes; 2) only three choice variables per game can get passed - everything else gets put into a set canon regardless of your choices. This just makes things easier going forward when writing. They did this in TW and TW2 and no one complained.