I beg to differ. You seem a bit on the radical side. Your emotions govern the way you portray yourself and it shows. Your perspective appears tainted, and therefore you're hard to take seriously. It is precisely the point, actually. You say things like 'eye-witness' and 'testimony'.....not the point MacFly.....
I do not believe, nor I will EVER believe in leveling a criticism (or offering a compliment) to a team effort's product without addressing directly those responsible for the object of the critique.
if your Goalie's performance is the reason your defense sucked you bet your *** I will say your Goalie's performance sucked and point straight at him
Not comparable, you witness the 'creation process' live during the match and the studio team will even zoom in and replay in slow-motion details for you. You could apply the same approach if you had every Bioware/movie studio/car design factory section rigged in cameras and analyzed during the entire process of art/product creation.
clearly you can't read either....MacFly.....
This, if for no other reason than this.I think the biggest lesson to learn if they're planning to do another import-trilogy is to have the whole thing plotted out from day one and don't do endless retcons because something sounds 'cooler' down the road. In essence do a Babylon 5, not a Battlestar Galactica.
not to describe what I offered as proof but as an analogy pertaining to my interlocutor's pointI beg to differ. You seem a bit on the radical side. Your emotions govern the way you portray yourself and it shows. Your perspective appears tainted, and therefore you're hard to take seriously. It is precisely the point, actually. You say things like 'eye-witness' and 'testimony'.....
It's quite comical, really....
with the difference this is a singular occurrence not a whole series of mistakes, but nice tryNot comparable, you witness the 'creation process' live during the match and the studio team will even zoom in and replay in slow-motion details for you. You could apply the same approach if you had every Bioware/movie studio/car design factory section rigged in cameras and analyzed during the entire process of art/product creation.
as I said, your description is quite radical (which is just a nice way of saying it's flat-out wrong). You're describing hearsay as "eye witness testimony".not to describe what I offered as proof but as an analogy pertaining to my interlocutor's point
I fail to see how that is in any way shape or form not appropriate
with the difference this is a singular occurrence not a whole series of mistakes, but nice try
Picking sad ending? How do you know? We go right back to "were you there?" again. You were not yet you act as if you did.
not hearsay at all McFly not to mention my point was about his modus pensandi that " if you were not there then it does not matter" and not about the quality or nature of what Brenon saidas I said, your description is quite radical (which is just a nice way of saying it's flat-out wrong). You're describing hearsay as "eye witness testimony".
which you use as a blanket statement to get a "blame no one" card. Sorry, not happening.Picking sad ending? How do you know? We go right back to "were you there?" again. You were not yet you act as if you did.
which you use as a blanket statement to get a "blame no one" card. Sorry, not happening.
If you criticize the art/product itself, you're already 'blaming' those who made it. They know who they are, they will get the point. Going the other way makes your criticism dependant on gossip and behind-the-scenes drama & juice, which may always be incorrect as your conclusions/assumptions drawn from it
no, because there are many facets of the products. I give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Of course if Mac wants to join the fray and say it is not as Brenon says he is welcomeIf you criticize the art/product itself, you're already 'blaming' those who made it. They know who they are, they will get the point. Going the other way makes your criticism dependant on gossip and behind-the-scenes drama & juice, which may always be incorrect as your conclusions/assumptions drawn from it
no, because there are many facets of the products. I give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Of course if Mac wants to join the fray and say it is not as Brenon says he is welcome
The only facet you can have full & best idea of is the end result so if you're willingly prefer to focus on what you need to rely on other people to provide you info for, which you don't even know if it's accurate, then you're making your criticism weaker by your own choice.
incorrect, Story pacing and, say, weapon variety are handled by two entirely different groups and have nothing to do with one another. The end result of either can be independently good or bad and I will gladly praise/critique either independently AND those responsible. I have exactly ZERO reason to doubt Brenon Holmes (as he was the ONLY dev honest about the EMS fiasco from day one). He was also the only one willing to talk to us when everyone else just hid. Mac? Not so much.The only facet you can have full & best idea of is the end result so if you're willingly prefer to focus on what you need to rely on other people to provide you info for, which you don't even know if it's accurate, then you're making your criticism weaker by your own choice.
incorrect, Story pacing and, say, weapon variety are handled by two entirely different groups and have nothing to do with one another. The end result of either can be independently good or bad and I will gladly praise/critique either independently AND those responsible. I have exactly ZERO reason to doubt Brenon Holmes (as he was the ONLY dev honest about the EMS fiasco from day one). He was also the only one willing to talk to us when everyone else just hid. Mac? Not so much.
Obviously and obviously there is still BIG difference between going "combat/gameplay team did well while story/cinematic team did bad" and going personal for individual story or combat designers. As for the second part of your post, you do know that some people gun for both Casey & Mac? They do it because of something another developer said which doesn't line up with everything Brenon said. So which one is correct? Ohh look, it's the pointless gossip game 'he said she said', speculations and assumptions of fans fishing for sacrificial lamb. And anything that didn't pointed to that lamb was dismissed as lies/"Jessica doesn't know anything". So again, why can't you just stick to criticism of the end product?
what weekes said does not contrast with what Brenon said. Brenon reported intent, Weekes reported process (and some comment on Casey's enjoyment on purely intellectual endings).Obviously and obviously there is still BIG difference between going "combat/gameplay team did well while story/cinematic team did bad" and going personal for individual story or combat designers. As for the second part of your post, you do know that some people gun for both Casey & Mac? They do it because of something another developer said which doesn't line up with everything Brenon said. So which one is correct? Ohh look, it's the pointless gossip game 'he said she said', speculations and assumptions of fans fishing for sacrificial lamb. And anything that didn't pointed to that lamb was dismissed as lies/"Jessica doesn't know anything". So again, why can't you just stick to criticism of the end product?
what weekes said does not contrast with what Brenon said. Brenon reported intent, Weekes reported process (and some comment on Casey's enjoyment on purely intellectual endings).
But you're not gunning for Casey while other people do. Based on the same quotes. Different interpretations and assumptions, who's right? You? Or maybe they? Or none? You're gonna base your criticism on THIS?
as for the last question? Because I believe in DIRECTLY assigning blame and praise and in not trusting a person who refuses to explain/defend himself.
And if you were part of the creation team you would have a base to point fingers because you would know what went down. But you don't, you weren't in ANY way present during the developement at Edmonton & Montreal. And really, the last part. "Explain/defend himself". Seriously?
Also, remember how Patrick asked to not use anything he says as ammo against other developers? Or have you asked yourself at any point during this discussion what would Brenon say if he came to this thread right now about you using his quotes in the way you do?
no, Weekes said Casey and Mac wrote the ending in solitude and with no peer review. That does not clash with Preston and Casey wanting a happier ending and being deadlocked with the lead writer thus having to come to a compromise.But you're not gunning for Casey while other people do. Based on the same quotes. Different interpretations and assumptions, who's right? You? Or maybe they? Or none? You're gonna base your criticism on THIS?
And if you were part of the creation team you would have a base to point fingers because you would know what went down. But you don't, you weren't in ANY way present during the developement at Edmonton & Montreal. And really, the last part. "Explain/defend himself". Seriously?
Also, remember how Patrick asked to not use anything he says as ammo against other developers? Or have you asked yourself at any point during this discussion what would Brenon say if he came to this thread right now about you using his quotes in the way you do?
no, Weekes said Casey and Mac wrote the ending in solitude and with no peer review. That does not clash with Preston and Casey wanting a happier ending and being deadlocked with the lead writer thus having to come to a compromise.
That's your take whether it clashes or not, other people thought different which is the point. Same quotes, different story 'emerges'.
secondly, I asked Brenon if I could make our convo public, he said yes, nice try tho.
Ohh I'm sure what you're doing right now is exactly what he had in mind. Also you didn't respond to Patrick part about not using his words against other developers.
Intent≠process, no clashingThat's your take whether it clashes or not, other people thought different which is the point. Same quotes, different story 'emerges'.
Ohh I'm sure what you're doing right now is exactly what he had in mind. Also you didn't respond to Patrick part about not using his words against other developers.
sorry but if he did not want that to be used as ammo he should not have posted on an open forum...also, Bioware does maintain that was not him
So basically you're not gonna give a damn because it suits you to run with it? Was your PMing with Brenon just fishing for ammo too? And finally, if Bioware says it was not him then what is the truth here? (and BTW the "don't use my words as ammo against other devs" from Patrick was on Twitter as a general statament regarding everything said) And once again going back to the same old point, you DON'T KNOW. You weren't there, you don't if it's true or not and you will just have to put aside your desire to directly blame someone because unless you were there you won't EVER know for sure, and no amounts of your good guesses is good enough
All else being equal I do believe the reddit post where Weekes' account (he claims it wasn't him so, cool, his account) posted the stuff about Casey and Mac basically deciding the ending on their own. Not because it confirms some pre-existing bias I have against Mac, or because I want to play the blame game, but just because the words themselves rung true. The whole post, while attempting to explain what went wrong with the ending, was at the same time respectful and even defensive about Mac and Casey. It sounded like something I might say when frustrated by a work situation but wanting everyone to try and understand that these aren't bad dudes and they just have certain qualities about them that may have come through badly in the execution (for example, explaining the convoluted/philosophical slant of the Catalyst dialogue by talking about how damn smart and idea-driven Casey is, etc)
LOL if you say so, but until Mac finds the testicular fortitude to actually open up about it that is my stance....in the meantime Mac is gone from direct involvement of the series....I call that a winSo basically you're not gonna give a damn because it suits you to run with it? Was your PMing with Brenon just fishing for ammo too? And finally, if Bioware says it was not him then what is the truth here? (and BTW the "don't use my words as ammo against other devs" from Patrick was on Twitter as a general statament regarding everything said) And once again going back to the same old point, you DON'T KNOW. You weren't there, you don't if it's true or not and you will just have to put aside your desire to directly blame someone because unless you were there you won't EVER know for sure, and no amounts of your good guesses is good enough
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