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[Bob from Accounting]

That it would.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

It could be said that the reason it's so disliked, me especially included, beyond the whole Deus Ex Machina,3 choices,nothing you did really mattered,green space magic,shoe horned in consequences,plot breaking, etc, is that it changed the whole genre. 

Mass Effect was a Star Wars plot in a Star Trek universe, if you can understand what I mean. This got changed to some "deep" "philosophical" stuff that was never really introduced previously.  

[Iakus]

- Shepard's survival was almost certainly 'left in the dark' as a necessity of portraying Destroy as roughly equal to the other two choices. If Shepard had clearly survived, it would have been far too clear of a message that Destroy was the 'right' choice. If Destroy is canonized anyway, that's no longer a concern.

 

- Yes, obviously the galaxy is not going to be in a 'Dark Age' for all eternity. But there's still a range of questions concerned when and how. As of right now, we really don't have any clue as to the state of the galaxy in the years following the endings.

 

- Not at all. Even if all AIs are dead, they aren't going to stay that way. Mass Effect is not just going to abandon that element. So there's questions to be answered on their relationship with organics after the endings, how they're rebuilt if they're gone for good at all, their status as citizens, etc. I seriously doubt the geth are just going to be gone from the series for good.

 

- Maybe. Maybe not.

Destroy gets punished twice (three times if you include Shepard's death)  Wrecked galaxy with  no Reapers to help rebuild and the destruction of all synthetic life (which true not everyone sees as a punishment)

 

Given the Reapers are still around ruling/cooperating in the other two endings, it's pretty clear that Destroy will be in a "galactic dark age" a lot longer than the other two

 

Saying AI "aren't going to stay dead" is like saying humans that are killed aren't going to stay dead.  Yes new humans will be born and numbers will be replenished eventually, but the dead will stay dead.  Anderson will still be dead even when another child is born in London.  By the same token, EDI will still be dead even when another AI is made.

[Bob from Accounting]

Considering the 'death' of Synthetics seems to have been intentionally obscured as much as possible, I would suggest you wait and see. I'm doubtful the developers would introduce 'new geth' who have none of the memories or developed traits of the original geth. Since they really wouldn't be geth at all, just servant robots who look like geth. Nor do I imagine that geth will just be dropped from the ME universe entirely.

 

So it seems the most likely option is that they return in some form.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I hope EDI died a horrible, painful, insulting death. 

 

They aren't going to bring her back. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I hope EDI died a horrible, painful, insulting death. 

 

They aren't going to bring her back. 

 

I didn't know you disliked EDI too. How would you rate her compared to Ashley.

Technically though the Normandy is "her" body so I guess she doesn't die too horrible a death. Although, it is somewhat morbid that in the Destroy ending the crew is walking out of her corpse.

[Bob from Accounting]

I hope EDI died a horrible, painful, insulting death. 

 

They aren't going to bring her back. 

 

I do hope you continue to make posts like these and have them as widely seen by the developers as possible. It's good for them to know the kind of people they should be striving to appeal to...and the kind of people they shouldn't. 

[Iakus]

Considering the 'death' of Synthetics seems to have been intentionally obscured as much as possible, I would suggest you wait and see. I'm doubtful the developers would introduce 'new geth' who have none of the memories or developed traits of the original geth. Since they really wouldn't be geth at all, just servant robots who look like geth. Nor do I imagine that geth will just be dropped from the ME universe entirely.

 

So it seems the most likely option is that they return in some form.

 

Except the Destroy epilogue makes it abundantly clear that synthetics did indeed get wiped out.  It's stupid.  It's nonsensical.  But it is true.  It was confirmed when Bioware could just as easily have shown the Catalyst was full of it.

[jtav]

Although considering BW's fidelity to epilogue's in the past...

[Iakus]

Although considering BW's fidelity to epilogue's in the past...

 

How bad is it that this is my greatest hope for MENext?

[Bob from Accounting]

Except the Destroy epilogue makes it abundantly clear that synthetics did indeed get wiped out.  It's stupid.  It's nonsensical.  But it is true.  It was confirmed when Bioware could just as easily have shown the Catalyst was full of it.

 

And how is that, exactly? By not explicitly showing Synthetics in the slides?

[Iakus]

And how is that, exactly? By not explicitly showing Synthetics in the slides?

 

In part, since they explicitly show quarians in the slides.

 

Also, EDI's name show up on the memorial wasll in all Destroy endings, yet none of the Control endings, even if the EMS is low enough that her fembot body is destroyed int he beam run.

[Bob from Accounting]

And how in the hell does quarians being shown 'prove' that Synthetics are dead, exactly?

 

As for EDI being on the wall, the only alternative is EDI not being on the wall. Which would have indicated pretty strongly that Destroy didn't do a thing to Synthetics. Of the two options, EDI being on the wall is a bit more ambiguous.

[ImaginaryMatter]

And how is that, exactly? By not explicitly showing Synthetics in the slides?

 

Well the Catalyst did tell us that others would be Destroyed, the Crucible would not discriminate, all Synthetics will be targeted; after a conversation in which the word "Synthetic" seemed to mean AI. The lack of the Geth in the epilogue with the addition of EDI's name on the memorial wall seems to support that.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Let that be a lesson to you OP. Next time you play anything ME related wear a cup.

[Sir DeLoria]

BW just didn't confirm the obvious death of EDI and the Geth so that the poor souls still clinging to IT would be happy.

[Iakus]

And how in the hell does quarians being shown 'prove' that Synthetics are dead, exactly?

 

As for EDI being on the wall, the only alternative is EDI not being on the wall. Which would have indicated pretty strongly that Destroy didn't do a thing to Synthetics. Of the two options, EDI being on the wall is a bit more ambiguous.

 

Because there are slides for krogan and quarians if they are saved?

 

And the wall is for dead companions.  If the name is on the wall, the character is unambiguously dead.  

[GreyLycanTrope]

Don't forget the slide showing Rannoch as a dead world if you killed the Quarians and then picked destroy.

[themikefest]

In my palythrough the memorial had the name of the robot on it. So I go with robot dead, reapers dead and the Geth dead. That's a winning combination for me.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I do hope you continue to make posts like these and have them as widely seen by the developers as possible. It's good for them to know the kind of people they should be striving to appeal to...and the kind of people they shouldn't. 

 

I know. 

 

Maybe one day they'll make a linear corridor power fantasy where you save the day with the power of heroic characterization and skimpy suits for you.

[spirosz]

I know. 

 

Maybe one day they'll make a linear corridor power fantasy where you save the day with the power of heroic characterization and skimpy suits for you.

 

I see what you did there. 

[Bob from Accounting]

Because there are slides for krogan and quarians if they are saved?

 

And the wall is for dead companions.  If the name is on the wall, the character is unambiguously dead.  

 

If you'd prefer to indulge in baseless proclamations so as to give yourself more justification to hate the developers and be angry at them, that's your concern. But don't expect me to be a part of such silliness.

[GreyLycanTrope]

The wall being for dead companions is a baseless proclamation? Thank you based Bob.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

If you'd prefer to indulge in baseless proclamations so as to give yourself more justification to hate the developers and be angry at them, that's your concern. But don't expect me to be a part of such silliness.

 

First, show me the proof you are getting where your own argument is valid.

 

Second, wonderful showcase of the appeal to ridicule fallacy. Try to leave logical fallacies and personal attacks out of discussion.

[Bob from Accounting]

EDI and the geth being dead is by all means a very, very real possibility. But a certainty? I don't think so. I think the most likely scenario for the next Mass Effect game is a future set after Destroy. I think it's unlikely the geth will simply be abandoned as a race and will thus reappear. Two and two.