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[KaiserShep]

And then it knelt before Monster Mash, and pledged its loyalty to the graveyard smash. The Catalyst killed its share of younglings in the end.

[CronoDragoon]

So you do have to wonder if they were telling the truth about the inevitable result of that conflict or if they are just using it as an excuse.

 

Thing is, synthetics only have to win once. Organics can win countless number of times but will still keep creating synthetics.

 

Case in point: the Catalyst. He "defeated" the Leviathans (quotes since we don't know how it went down) and it took the galaxy how many millions of years to overthrow him? Had his programming been different, he could have easily wiped out all organics.

[Mcfly616]

I think it's on to something. Although it has it's very unique perspective, I don't think the Catalyst is using the conflict as an excuse. I think it's actually trying to prevent the torch of life from burning completely out. It's methods are extreme, however, it's logic is sound.


Sort of like if the first world cultures of today don't find a way to resolve their differences, humanity will one day destroy itself. Advanced civilizations in the MEU will one day cause all life to burn out without the Catalyts intervention.

[Steelcan]

I think it's on to something. Although it has it's very unique perspective, I don't think the Catalyst is using the conflict as an excuse. I think it's actually trying to prevent the torch of life from burning completely out. It's methods are extreme, however, it's logic is sound.


Sort of like if the first world cultures of today don't find a way to resolve their differences, humanity will one day destroy itself. Advanced life in the MEU will one day destroy themselves without the Catalyts intervention.

So to stop that from happening, the Reapers kill advanced life in the universe....

 

 

The Roman Empire stopped people from self-mutilating by removing people's limbs, its the same faulty logic

[Mordokai]

The Catalyst was trying to bring balance to The Force.

 

Sooooo... you're saying the entire galaxy is Alderaan?

[Steelcan]

Thing is, synthetics only have to win once. Organics can win countless number of times but will still keep creating synthetics.

 

Case in point: the Catalyst. He "defeated" the Leviathans (quotes since we don't know how it went down) and it took the galaxy how many millions of years to overthrow him? Had his programming been different, he could have easily wiped out all organics.

 

Actually organics only have to win once, his claim is an absolutist one "ALL synthetics WILL rise up and WILL DESTROY their creators", one example of organics crushing their synthetic creations is enough to show his claim to be false.

[Mcfly616]

So to stop that from happening, the Reapers kill advanced life in the universe....
 
 
The Roman Empire stopped people from self-mutilating by removing people's limbs, its the same faulty logic

that's a poor analogy. Or simply an incorrect one. Considering the Romans were doing it to those self-mutilating themselves. The Reapers were disarming those who would bring grief on others.

[Steelcan]

that's a poor analogy. Or simply an incorrect one. Considering the Romans were doing it to those self-mutilating themselves. The Reapers were disarming those who would bring grief on others.

 

By killing them

[Mordokai]

that's a poor analogy. Or simply an incorrect one. Considering the Romans were doing it to those self-mutilating themselves. The Reapers were disarming those who would bring grief on others.

 

I believe everyone has seen this one... but it bears reposting.

 

[Mcfly616]

By killing them

it's an extremely efficient way of making sure their problems don't harm others.

[CronoDragoon]

The logic is valid. It may be unsound depending whether you view the Reapers as living beings. If you do, then the Catalyst's logic is fine. If you don't then the logical argument is a non-starter since you're rejecting the truth value of one of its premises.

[Mcfly616]

I believe everyone has seen this one... but it bears reposting.

clearly you haven't been round these parts too long if you're posting that idiocy. And clearly the concept is still over your head if you find that meme correct in describing it.

[CronoDragoon]

Actually organics only have to win once

 

No, they have to win every time they create synthetics which rebel, which is every time they create synthetics.

 

 

, his claim is an absolutist one "ALL synthetics WILL rise up and WILL DESTROY their creators", one example of organics crushing their synthetic creations is enough to show his claim to be false.

 

Sorry, but you're wrong. He doesn't claim that synthetics will always win. He says it's inevitable that eventually synthetics will wipe out organic life. He says that all synthetics will rebel, not win. Completely different argument than what you are claiming.

[Steelcan]

it's an extremely efficient way of making sure their problems don't harm others.

 

Yo dawg.....

 

I heard you don't like being killed by synthetics, so I made synthetics to kill you, so synthetics don't kill you

[KaiserShep]

I knew that Xzibit would return to us one day.

 

So strange how the people of the MEU can't seem to engineer robots that have off switches, remote user access and the sort.

[Steelcan]

No, they have to win every time they create synthetics which rebel, which is every time they create synthetics.

 

 

 

Sorry, but you're wrong. He doesn't claim that synthetics will always win. He says it's inevitable that eventually synthetics will wipe out organic life. He says that all synthetics will rebel, not win. Completely different argument than what you are claiming.

 

He says its inevitable, and yet we can have witnessed the quarians destroying the geth wholesale.

 

It's hard to buy "synthetic creations are definitely going to destroy you", after destroying synthetic creations yourself.

[Mordokai]

clearly you haven't been round these parts too long if you're posting that idiocy. And clearly the concept is still over your head if you find that meme correct in describing it.

 

*checks* Six days... so yeah... kinda...

 

And I have yet to see something that describes Catalyst's logic quite as succinctly.

[KaiserShep]

Inevitability is for the birds (and the religious). Hell, even the reapers can eventually lose (and they do).

[CronoDragoon]

He says its inevitable, and yet we can have witnessed the quarians destroying the geth wholesale.

 

It's hard to buy "synthetic creations are definitely going to destroy you", after destroying synthetic creations yourself.

 

 

You can't disprove his claim by pointing to one example. You can't disprove his claim by pointing to any examples. It's why it's fundamentally useless to argue his position.

 

Look, I'm not arguing the Catalyst's view is correct and we should worship our merciful overlord. I'm saying the logic is valid.

[KaiserShep]

You can't disprove a prediction. That's like me saying that it's inevitable that you will be mugged while walking home from work based on the statistics in your neighborhood. You might actually die from old age before it even happens. And as the Catalyst insists that it's inevitable that synthetics will wipe out the organics of the current cycle, it's just as possible that the galaxy will succumb to heat death before another synthetic race wipes anything out ever again. There's no way for anyone to know for certain.

[Steelcan]

You can't disprove his claim by pointing to one example. You can't disprove his claim by pointing to any examples. It's why it's fundamentally useless to argue his position.

 

Look, I'm not arguing the Catalyst's view is correct and we should worship our merciful overlord. I'm saying the logic is valid.

His logic would be vaild if he provided examples, so far the only ones we have knowledge of are the Leviathans, the "Metacon" war, and the geth, in two cases organics were winning until the reapers interfered, and in the first the Leviathans weren't destroyed

[Mcfly616]

Yo dawg.....
 
I heard you don't like being killed by synthetics, so I made synthetics to kill you, so synthetics don't kill you

it's alright Mordokai..


14,000 posts and it's still over Steelcan's head. Don't feel bad.

[CronoDragoon]

*checks* Six days... so yeah... kinda...

 

And I have yet to see something that describes Catalyst's logic quite as succinctly.

 

The issue is that it oversimplifies the argument so much that it no longer represents what is actually happening.

[CronoDragoon]

His logic would be vaild if he provided examples, so far the only ones we have knowledge of are the Leviathans, the "Metacon" war, and the geth, in two cases organics were winning until the reapers interfered, and in the first the Leviathans weren't destroyed

 

You don't need examples for a valid logical argument. It just needs to be internally consistent. For a sound argument you need it to be externally consistent: that is, the premises must be true.

 

But you can't show his argument is unsound either, because you can't prove that his claim "synthetics will one day wipe out organics" is untrue. For that, you'd need prescience.

[Steelcan]

it's alright Mordokai..


14,000 posts and it's still over Steelcan's head. Don't feel bad.

 

Its so over my head, how can I ever repent my sinful ways?