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[von uber]

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[AlanC9]

Extreme tactics. JIHAD! You find them bunched up in a city you send in suicide bombers with anti-matter bombs (they should have something like that in 2186). They'd be very effective planet side. You could probably take out several reapers with a powerful one. Or you could go small and take out one and lose about 25,000 people. If they're harvesting a species they're not going to glass the planet. They may glass the city in retaliation, but then you keep doing it.

You get to do that... once? After that the capship Reapers do the sensible thing and stay in orbit.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Well conventional victory would have been no more contrived than the Crucible.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Well conventional victory would have been no more contrived than the Crucible.

 

It was executed poorly, but I don't think the Crucible was a contrivance really. It had some foreshadowing in ME2, though I wish that there was a lot more. I wish the Crucible was put in around the ending of ME2, or at least the concept of it. Sort of like how the Ark was implemented in Halo 2's story, gaining information and introduced there, if only in name.

[AlanC9]

According to the wikia which is based on the Codex, it was theoretically possible given good intelligence, tactics, and all of that. My post I copied directly from it. But the writers said otherwise later. We were misled. And because of the "in theory" part, the writers enforced a derp.

Well, the quote in question is "with the right intelligence, weapons, and strategy." I can see how people could fool themselves into thinking that Thanix weapons satisfied one of those conditions, I guess.

Did a lot of us really get that confused, though?

[CronoDragoon]

Did a lot of us really get that confused, though?

 

Any confusion should have been dispelled when this happened:

 

[Bob from Accounting]

#1. Regardless of whether conventional victory is possible with an 'ideal playthrough,' I don't think anyone can seriously argue that it's possible on a worst playthrough. So an 'unconventional' solution would still need to exist for everyone else.

 

#2. You cannot have a conventional victory won simply because someone developed a gun that's stronger.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

#1. Regardless of whether conventional victory is possible with an 'ideal playthrough,' I don't think anyone can seriously argue that it's possible on a worst playthrough. So an 'unconventional' solution would still need to exist for everyone else.

 

#2. You cannot have a conventional victory won simply because someone developed a gun that's stronger.

 

1) Or you can just have them doomed to failure. That's cool too.

 

2) Isn't that how the history of warfare has always worked? If we developed a theoretical weapon that could one shot Reapers with rapidity and ease, and at longer ranges than they can shoot, isn't that us winning? That said, I think you're talking in terms of say, Thanix. If that's the case, then... grumble... I agree. Thanix isn't going to win the war for you. It might kill a few Reapers, but it's not going to be the solution.

[themikefest]

You get to do that... once? After that the capship Reapers do the sensible thing and stay in orbit.

Then you have to adapt and overcome. Keep doing things that catch them off guard.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It was executed poorly, but I don't think the Crucible was a contrivance really. It had some foreshadowing in ME2, though I wish that there was a lot more. I wish the Crucible was put in around the ending of ME2, or at least the concept of it. Sort of like how the Ark was implemented in Halo 2's story, gaining information and introduced there, if only in name.

 

I guess contrivance is the wrong word. I was going to use 'ridiculous' but David Bob ruined that word... sigh.

 

There's just so many problems with the thing ranging from how some part of it got planned after the Reapers invaded and roughed infrastructure and communications, then got buried without the Reapers finding it, only to be found by the next race after the Reapers invaded then somehow improve upon it without anyone knowing what exactly the previous race built; to how did all the cycles with roughly the same level of technological advancement build something so technologically complex that it borders on the lines of space magic? I mean the implication is that the thing is way more advanced than anything the Reapers have. Also, the thing doesn't appear to have any activation mechanism, did Hackett just expect the Crucible to dock to the Citadel and fire automatically? What if he didn't have the right driver installed?

[Bob from Accounting]

You can't just doom any sub-optimal playthroughs to failure.

 

Yes, it wouldn't work. And even if it did work, it wouldn't be good writing at all.

[ImaginaryMatter]

You can't just doom any sub-optimal playthroughs to failure.

 

Yes, it wouldn't work. And even if it did work, it wouldn't be good writing at all.

 

You do realize good or bad writing isn't as absolute as you think it is?

 

I think you mean to say: "I don't think it would work. And even if it did work I wouldn't like it."

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You can't just doom any sub-optimal playthroughs to failure.

 

Yes, it wouldn't work. And even if it did work, it wouldn't be good writing at all.

 

No, you can't. But you can doom a 'worst' playthrough to failure. ME2 did it... sorta. As did ME3 with Refuse, and low-EMS Destroy, depending on how you look at it.

[KaiserShep]

Even with an everyone dies ending in ME2, the mission is still technically a success.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Even with an everyone dies ending in ME2, the mission is still technically a success.

 

Maybe.

 

I wonder how the galaxy fared against the Reapers though...

[AlanC9]

Then you have to adapt and overcome. Keep doing things that catch them off guard.

And they can keep doing things that catch you off guard, of course. It all averages out.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Maybe.

 

I wonder how the galaxy fared against the Reapers though...

 

Probably not well. Sometimes Shepard feels like a baby sitter in ME3 and that the races of the galaxy would start sticking forks into electrical sockets if he wasn't around.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You get to do that... once? After that the capship Reapers do the sensible thing and stay in orbit.

 

If they're in orbit they're not harvesting.

[Mcfly616]

Still discussing the conventional pipe dream?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

No. We're discussing the "Rule of Derp"

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Probably not well. Sometimes Shepard feels like a baby sitter in ME3 and that the races of the galaxy would start sticking forks into electrical sockets if he wasn't around.

 

In my opinion, the galaxy without Shepard is a toddler playing with a wet fork next to a power outlet and a loaded gun, inside a building about to collapse that's in the middle of a minefield. It's not going to end pretty.

[Ieldra]

Indeed. The amount of stupidity shown by people in power in the ME trilogy is beyond all credibility.

[von uber]

Indeed. The amount of stupidity shown by people in power in the ME trilogy is beyond all credibility.

 

yes. it end sup begging the question how the galaxy actually functions. They are too short sighted and blinkered in how they act; but then that's a function of having to have Shep do everything.

[Ieldra]

yes. it end sup begging the question how the galaxy actually functions. They are too short sighted and blinkered in how they act; but then that's a function of having to have Shep do everything.

I don't mind doing stuff. The problem is that the prevalence of people acting like fools but having positions of political power is unbelievable. There's always the odd idiot here and there, but as a rule, you don't get there if you're that stupid. Just watch the defense committee in ME3's prologue.

 

I've recently heard that Mac Walters really despises politics and politicians. I can only say that if true, it shows. Why else would he turn every person with poliicital power into a caricature? Not to mention that this is a rather simplistic mindset.

[themikefest]

That's what happens when people are put in a position of power. It goes to their head believing everything they say and do is right.