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[AlanC9]

This is more of a thematic issue. If the writers really wanted the end to sync up with the rest of the game they should have shown all the potential dangers AI possess and present how this was actually a real problem in the universe with different viewpoints on how to solve the solution; like show the otherness of AI, how much more quickly they advance, how large and irreconcilable the gap is between synthetic and organic. ME3 practically did the opposite, it went pretty far out of it's way to establish that Synthetics were mostly victims with entirely human and sympathetic traits -- Its even one of the key points of the Geth arch is that they continually spare the Quarians. So in this game with a bunch of robots who love us, we get an ending that deals with a problem never established well in the story. The ending should have dealt with an issue that had significant precedence in the story, ironically the ME3 ending would have worked much better if it took place after ME1 which did a much better job of establishing this.

Are we sure the point of the ending isn't that the Reapers were just wrong?

[Iakus]

Are we sure the point of the ending isn't that the Reapers were just wrong?

 

No argument the Reapers are wrong.  But given Shepard is forced to apply a "solution" to this "problem" I doubt that was the intended theme

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Can't we all just get along, just this once please

I agree. Let's keep things under control and and try to......

 

[wolfhowwl]

Alright, lets get this started.

 

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

 

[DeinonSlayer]

Can't we all just get along, just this once please

*collective groans*

[DeinonSlayer]

Alright, lets get this started.

 

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

Kill the toasters. Kill the suitrats.

 

*snip*

The cycle cannot be broken.

[Darks1d3]

Bah, nvm. It would probably be better if I didn't add to the GVQ madness.

As you were.

[Kel Riever]

I think people argue Geth vs. Quarians just so they can somehow justify the atrocious logic that organics and synthetics can't get along.

 

The argument makes them feel better about the badly written ending(s)

[DeinonSlayer]

I think people argue Geth vs. Quarians just so they can somehow justify the atrocious logic that organics and synthetics can't get along.

 

The argument makes them feel better about the badly written ending(s)

The endings have nothing to do with it. Strip everything away, and at its most basic QvG debates boil down to "my genocide is better than yours."

 

It really is ugly when you get right down to it, but frankly, I found ME3's portrayal (particularly in light of how stacked it was) atrocious.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Are we sure the point of the ending isn't that the Reapers were just wrong?

 

I think if that was the case Shepard would have the option to address the Catalyst, call it out, or bring up peace on Rannoch; or something instead of Shepard kind of nodding along with the Catalyst about the whole problem. Shepard can voice some objections but never to the idea that conflict must inevitably arise.

 

If the authors did intend this I wouldn't be surprised though. The original ending revealed that they weren't quite aware of a large number of implications about their story.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The cycle cannot be broken.

 

I feel like we haven't had a good 'ole Geth vs Quarian brawl in a while though.

[Steelcan]

Well the main antagonists who started them all have either been banned, moved on, or stopped caring

[Mcfly616]

Meh....arguments over conventional victory are far more entertaining.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Sums it up: 

Anyway, I just really hate that the only way to make peace is to allow the upload. 

*Bows out

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think people argue Geth vs. Quarians just so they can somehow justify the atrocious logic that organics and synthetics can't get along.

 

The argument makes them feel better about the badly written ending(s)

 

Oh I agree it was atrocious logic. The whole point now is how to destroy both Patrick Weekes' and Mac Walters' "art." Destroy the geth and use an ending mod.

[The Bad One]

Oh I agree it was atrocious logic. The whole point now is how to destroy both Patrick Weekes' and Mac Walters' "art." Destroy the geth and use an ending mod.

 

That's like drawing a moustache on the cover of a DVD and claiming you destroyed the directors vision.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

If it makes one feel better, that's all that matters.

[von uber]

"What's going on?"
"Quick! It's a Geth / Quarian debate!"
"My god, it's been a while. Ma?! Hand me my shotgun and shooting gloves!"

[KaiserShep]

That's like drawing a moustache on the cover of a DVD and claiming you destroyed the directors vision.

 

Replace everyone in Star Wars with Nicolas Cage.

 

[Iakus]

I think if that was the case Shepard would have the option to address the Catalyst, call it out, or bring up peace on Rannoch; or something instead of Shepard kind of nodding along with the Catalyst about the whole problem. Shepard can voice some objections but never to the idea that conflict must inevitably arise.

 

If the authors did intend this I wouldn't be surprised though. The original ending revealed that they weren't quite aware of a large number of implications about their story.

 

Given EC , I'd say they're still not aware of the implications.

[KaiserShep]

The extent to which some people wanted BioWare to revise the ending is simply not realistic, especially not for something called an Extended Cut.

[themikefest]

Too bad you just couldn't let both sides kill each other and go do something else. I have enough ems to get the best ending without needing them.

[Sequin]

When it came to the geth/quarians, I felt completely unqualified to make a determination of their outcome, and so I flipped a coin instead. That way, there would be two parallel universe timelines resulting from my fate/luck test... one where the geth are destroyed and one where the quarians are. I obviously would only live in one timeline, myself, but the other player (or other "me" in this case) would play the game with the opposite outcome to my result. This means that both species would continue to live on... albeit in separate timelines. So as you can see, I didn't really commit genocide... I just split the species into two realities where they could find peace separately.

[DeinonSlayer]

When it came to the geth/quarians, I felt completely unqualified to make a determination of their outcome, and so I flipped a coin instead. That way, there would be two parallel universe timelines resulting from my fate/luck test... one where the geth are destroyed and one where the quarians are. I obviously would only live in one timeline, myself, but the other player (or other "me" in this case) would play the game with the opposite outcome to my result. This means that both species would continue to live on... albeit in separate timelines. So as you can see, I didn't really commit genocide... I just split the species into two realities where they could find peace separately.

Reminds me of that "Mr. Nobody" movie...