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[jtav]

In universe, I don't find geth vs. quarian that complicated. Quarians, if only because there are no geth children. Where I trip up is metagaming. I don't want Tali on my squad after Rannoch, and her suicide is a way to do that without playing badly.

[DeinonSlayer]

In universe, I don't find geth vs. quarian that complicated. Quarians, if only because there are no geth children. Where I trip up is metagaming. I don't want Tali on my squad after Rannoch, and her suicide is a way to do that without playing badly.

I'd say getting the entire species killed when peace is available is more "playing badly" than choosing the wrong fire team leader in the suicide mission.

[jtav]

I'd say getting the entire species killed when peace is available is more "playing badly" than choosing the wrong fire team leader in the suicide mission.

I usually bring up the evidence because it's one of those cases where I disagree with BW about what's right and then rewrite the geth. So no peace and I only made legitimate decisions.

My God, they couldn't just cut her Sanctuary drunk scene...

[TheTurtle]

When it came to the geth/quarians, I felt completely unqualified to make a determination of their outcome, and so I flipped a coin instead. That way, there would be two parallel universe timelines resulting from my fate/luck test... one where the geth are destroyed and one where the quarians are. I obviously would only live in one timeline, myself, but the other player (or other "me" in this case) would play the game with the opposite outcome to my result. This means that both species would continue to live on... albeit in separate timelines. So as you can see, I didn't really commit genocide... I just split the species into two realities where they could find peace separately.

Do you by any chance watch Community?

[Iakus]

The extent to which some people wanted BioWare to revise the ending is simply not realistic, especially not for something called an Extended Cut.

 

How much effort woulod it have made to:

 

Allow synthetics to live (or heck even implied to live) in really high Destroy

Have the Sheparlyst send the Reapers back into dark space (or the sun) in Control

Not force the galaxy into Synthesis

 

And allow for the possibility of Shepard to clearly surviving in all high EMS endings?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I usually bring up the evidence because it's one of those cases where I disagree with BW about what's right and then rewrite the geth. So no peace and I only made legitimate decisions.

My God, they couldn't just cut her Sanctuary drunk scene...

 

I am tempted to start making my playthroughs exclusively Geth survival only. You've mentioned a good number of reasons why here.

[Sequin]

Do you by any chance watch Community?

Yes. Yesyesyes.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

My God, they couldn't just cut her Sanctuary drunk scene...

 

Whats wrong the Sanctuary drunk scene to the point that you feel you must kill Tali?

[TheTurtle]

Whats wrong the Sanctuary drunk scene to the point that you feel you must kill Tali?

The only time that scene really works for me is when Miranda dies. Otherwise the explanation of why she's getting drunk is kinda weak.

[DeinonSlayer]

I'd rather not get drawn into this. I can see how a mirimancer would be miffed by the scene, but it's in character. Miranda was unapologetic about just about everything Cerberus did (see the fight with Jack), and Cerberus did launch a bloody raid on the flotilla, slaughtering civilians while attempting (and failing) to kidnap a human biotic being sheltered there. Is she supposed to like her in light of that?

In any case, she says she respects her even if they don't get along. "Sometimes that's better than liking."

[jtav]

Whats wrong the Sanctuary drunk scene to the point that you feel you must kill Tali?

Miranda's my favorite character, and there's not a lot of variation in the dialogue, to the point she refers to a romance in the past tense, as if Miranda were dead. I prefer to avoid that, and don't use Tali anyway.

[DeinonSlayer]

Whats wrong the Sanctuary drunk scene to the point that you feel you must kill Tali her entire species?

Fixed.

[jtav]

I'd rather not get drawn into this. I can see how a mirimancer would be miffed by the scene, but it's in character. Miranda was unapologetic about just about everything Cerberus did (see the fight with Jack), and Cerberus did launch a bloody raid on the flotilla, slaughtering civilians while attempting (and failing) to kidnap a human biotic being sheltered there. Is she supposed to like her?

Oh not that part. Again, it's mostly about the feeling that Miranda was supposed to die. Tali can call her every name in the book for all I care, for the reasons you mention.

[Zazzerka]

I've never been big on the "kill a character because they do a thing I don't like" mindset that the BSN is so fond of.

 

God damn, I'm tolerant.

[TheTurtle]

I'd rather not get drawn into this. I can see how a mirimancer would be miffed by the scene, but it's in character. Miranda was unapologetic about just about everything Cerberus did (see the fight with Jack), and Cerberus did launch a bloody raid on the flotilla, slaughtering civilians while attempting (and failing) to kidnap a human biotic being sheltered there. Is she supposed to like her in light of that?

In any case, she says she respects her even if they don't get along.

Are you talking to me, jtav or Massively cause I'm not a mirimancer.

[DeinonSlayer]

Oh not that part. Again, it's mostly about the feeling that Miranda was supposed to die. Tali can call her every name in the book for all I care, for the reasons you mention.

Odd, I never got that impression from the scene. To each their own.

@Dalya
I was talking to Jtav. Sorry, should have quoted it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'd rather not get drawn into this. I can see how a mirimancer would be miffed by the scene, but it's in character. Miranda was unapologetic about just about everything Cerberus did (see the fight with Jack), and Cerberus did launch a bloody raid on the flotilla, slaughtering civilians while attempting (and failing) to kidnap a human biotic being sheltered there. Is she supposed to like her in light of that?

In any case, she says she respects her even if they don't get along.

 

That's not really what a lot of us Mirandamancers have an issue with. Many of us are unapologetic Cerberus supporters as well. I have my reasons for disliking Tali as well that involve an inborn revulsion at her character and personality. I'm going to leave it at that here. As jtav said, I don't give a crud what Tali thinks about Miranda. And I doubt Miranda would either.

 

The issue is that the scene sort of hammers the ideal that Miranda was supposed to die at Sanctuary, and die in some kind 'redemption' for being involved with Cerberus. We Mirandamancers are a bit miffed about the implications about what that means for her character in ME3, as it is kind of implicit that she felt 'wrong' for her past support and association with Cerberus and that she must atone for it by being a sacrificial lamb that gives Shepard even more of a reason to hate Cerberus. Plus, compare the death scene with her to her survival scene (and the tone in the game afterwards). To an extent similar to how a relationship with Jacob was doomed to failure, a relationship with Miranda seemed to be a doomed 'tragic' romance.

[TheTurtle]

Odd, I never got that impression from the scene. To each their own.

@Dalya
I was talking to Jtav. Sorry, should have quoted it.

Okay carry on then

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Miranda's my favorite character, and there's not a lot of variation in the dialogue, to the point she refers to a romance in the past tense, as if Miranda were dead. I prefer to avoid that, and don't use Tali anyway.

 

So an import bug...

 

I expected a bigger issue than that.

 

"edit"

 

Oh I see, its about the sense that the scene enforces the idea that Miranda was supposed to die at Sanctuary. I understand that better, but I still think that removing Tali still doesn't remove that feeling the story has.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

So an import bug...

 

I expected a bigger issue than that.

 

"edit"

 

Oh I see, its about the sense that the scene enforces the idea that Miranda was supposed to die at Sanctuary. I understand that better, but I still think that removing Tali still doesn't remove that feeling the story has.

 

It doesn't, but at least it means a character I hate is dead.

[DeinonSlayer]

Maybe I'd have to revisit the scene. I never got the impression from the dialogue that she was supposed to have died.

I'm no fan of how Cerberus was railroaded, either, and I'm not even a mirimancer.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I've never been big on the "kill a character because they do a thing I don't like" mindset that the BSN is so fond of.

 

God damn, I'm tolerant.

 

It is not about that. It is about removing characters that are actively polluting the story with their presence due to the **** writing behind them.

[Zazzerka]

Maybe I'd have to revisit the scene. I never got the impression from the dialogue that she was supposed to have died.

 

Literally the only thing that changes between Miranda-romanced and Miranda non-romanced is that Tali says, "It must be worse for you, you... were close."

 

I guess we're just getting hung up on the word "were."

[Zazzerka]

It is not about that. It is about removing characters that are actively polluting the story with their presence due to the **** writing behind them.

 

Sure, I guess some people do it for that reason. Who do you kill, then?

[jtav]

So an import bug...
 
I expected a bigger issue than that.
 
"edit"
 
Oh I see, its about the sense that the scene enforces the idea that Miranda was supposed to die at Sanctuary. I understand that better, but I still think that removing Tali still doesn't remove that feeling the story has.

Not entirely, but it's one less negative scene, and since I never use Tali anyway and don't actually care about the outcome of Rannoch, why not save myself some grief?