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[The Bad One]

I thought *I* had a lot of free time.

Haha it only took about 30 mins, SM isn't that long.

[TheTurtle]

I am killing them because these characters should never have been written in the first place.

Those are fighting words right there.

[Zazzerka]

With Jack and Thane. I am not killing them because I think their deaths during ME2 is a better send-off or provides a better resolution to the character. I am killing them because these characters should never have been written in the first place. And removing them by lack of ship upgrades provides a clean method of doing so.

 

Ah. I'm (finally) with you now. Took me a while, but I got there.

 

Strangely, I'm not a complete dumbass, since I understood your reasoning for Ashley from the get-go. Her grandfather factors into my decision to sacrifice her as well. Let no-one else think of the Williams' as cowards.

[DeinonSlayer]

Those are fighting words right there.

I actually find the pacing is better if Thane isn't on the Citadel and Grissom is a far better story without Jack. Some of my Shepards wouldn't recruit her on account of her dossier were it optional - Normandy isn't equipped with spit bags.

[Barquiel]

I've never been big on the "kill a character because they do a thing I don't like" mindset that the BSN is so fond of.

 

God damn, I'm tolerant.

 

Depends on the situation, I guess. I can understand why some people REALLY want to kill Anders at the end of DA2, for example. But I rarely kill anyone in ME, mostly because it usually makes Shepard look rather incompetent (I let Ashley kill Wrex once because I wanted to see Wreav, and I tend to skip Tali in ME2).

[Daemul]

In my canon playthrough Zaeed, Grunt and Kasumi are the only ME2-exclusive squadmates left alive at the end of ME3. Jack and Jacob die in the SM, whilst Samara, Legion, Miranda, Mordin and Thane die over the course of ME3, along with Wrex who I unfortunately have to kill and sometimes Tali as well when I decide to forgo peace and side with the Geth(Her suicide scene is beautiful). Honestly, if it wasn't because of that placeholder marine that stands in place of a dead squadamte during Shepard's final speech to his squad at the FOB I would make Tali's suicide my main canon, but seeing that ugle placeholder annoys me so much. 

 

I don't kill the characters because I don't like them, it just makes for a better story imo. 

[Zazzerka]

Depends on the situation, I guess. I can understand why some people REALLY want to kill Anders at the end of DA2, for example. But I rarely kill anyone in ME, mostly because it usually makes Shepard look rather incompetent (I let Ashley kill Wrex once because I wanted to see Wreav, and I tend to skip Tali in ME2).

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, I kill the crap out of Anders. None of the ME2 characters pull Anders-tier tomfoolery.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Those are fighting words right there.

 

Thanks, I guess?

 

 

Ah. I'm (finally) with you now. Took me a while, but I got there.

 

Strangely, I'm not a complete ******, since I understood your reasoning for Ashley from the get-go. Her grandfather factors into my decision to sacrifice her as well. Let no-one else think of the Williams' as cowards.

 

Good, now you finally see what I mean.

[DeinonSlayer]

@Daemul
See, I found her passivity at that leg of the arc extremely out-of-character, and the reaction on the Normandy afterwards was even worse. I mean, really? Shepard arranges for an entire allied organic species to be slaughtered by robots, and Kaidan and James are found in the lounge playing cards and bitching about his losing streak? I'd have found it more appropriate if Garrus knocked Shepard the hell out (OK, throw in a 1/8th second renegade interrupt to block it and put him in an armbar or something, but some kind of backlash would be appropriate. No friendly bottle-shooting contest for you.).

This guy put it best.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Honestly, I would not warn Miranda about Kai Leng if it wasnt for the "Thane AND Miranda" event. Kinda ruins the flow.

Her dying is a fitting end. She became a terrorist because she had daddy issues. She redeemed herself. And dealt with her daddy issues.

[Daemul]

@Daemul
See, I found her passivity at that leg of the arc extremely out-of-character, and the reaction on the Normandy afterwards was even worse. I mean, really? Shepard arranges for an entire allied organic species to be slaughtered by robots, and Kaidan and James are found in the lounge playing cards and bitching about his losing streak? I'd have found it more appropriate if Garrus knocked Shepard the hell out (OK, throw in a 1/8th second renegade interrupt to block it and put him in an armbar or something, but some kind of backlash would be appropriate. No friendly bottle-shooting contest for you.).

Yeah, I remember people who had Tali die complaining about that James and Kaidan thing, it's really weird and out of place. The first time Tali died I was expecting to lose some squadmates, namely Javik, and to get a massive silent treatment from Garrus and Ash, but none of that happened. Consequences eh?

[themikefest]

Unless I'm doing a specific playthrough, like I'm doing now, the only survivers from ME2 are usually Miranda, Zaeed and Kasumi. Thane, Samara, Tali don't get recruited and the Geth is given to Cerberus

[CronoDragoon]

In my canon playthrough Zaeed, Grunt and Kasumi are the only ME2-exclusive squadmates left alive at the end of ME3. Jack and Jacob die in the SM, whilst Samara, Legion, Miranda, Mordin and Thane die over the course of ME3, along with Wrex who I unfortunately have to kill and sometimes Tali as well when I decide to forgo peace and side with the Geth(Her suicide scene is beautiful).

 

I prefer the shooting Legion scene, though I like all 3 scenes. More and more I'm preparing myself for a "no persuasion" playthrough where Tali gets exiled (eff the quarians, she's better off without them) and no peace is possible on Rannoch. Since I can't simply choose a sub-optimal solution, establishing clear playthrough guidelines will (hopefully) preclude peace.

[DeinonSlayer]

Yeah, I remember people who had Tali die complaining about that James and Kaidan thing, it's really weird and out of place. The first time Tali died I was expecting to lose some squadmates, namely Javik, and to get a massive silent treatment from Garrus and Ash, but none of that happened. Consequences eh?

I liked how DA:O had actions that triggered squadmates to leave or even attack and force you to kill them. I guess the Normandy is a hive of yes-men. At least Legion and Mordin stand up for themselves.

[themikefest]

I liked how DA:O had actions that triggered squadmates to leave or even attack and force you to kill them. I guess the Normandy is a hive of yes-men. At least Legion and Mordin stand up for themselves.

That would've been nice to have in ME.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I liked how DA:O had actions that triggered squadmates to leave or even attack and force you to kill them. I guess the Normandy is a hive of yes-men. At least Legion and Mordin stand up for themselves.

 

I thought this would have been a more interesting dynamic in ME2 than the loyalty system.

 

For example, if Shepard doesn't give Jack the Cerberus intel (which is the only reason why she's on the ship) she will eventually either so psychotic biotic or leave at the next port after getting the impression that Shepard is just screwing with her. Perhaps a deceptive Shepard can feed her false data and use persuasion options to convince her that the data is real, in this scenario she will stay as a squadmate but her mission will never come up.

 

Or have Samara never pledge an oath and she attacks or leaves Shepard if he breaks the Justicar code, who's relevant tenants can be learned. For example, we do know Justicars prioritize saving the innocent or never killing them. So, on Zaeed's LM if Shepard brings Samara and he opts to chase after what's-his-name Samara will either abandon him to save the workers and confront Shepard afterwards on the Normandy; and if she wasn't present but hears about it Shepard would have to lie to her that there was nothing they could do. Another could be that Turian politician on Thane's LM that Shepard can shoot (which seems to go against the code) or that fish loving Krogan on the Citadel (lying to people for a profit seems like another thing). Also, since Samara's mission is to chase down Morinth, if Shepard doesn't do the mission quick enough after getting it Samara will leave to do it herself.

 

Tali will get exiled by default if her LM isn't done quick enough, Grunt will get more and more blood rage-y until something bad happens, etc.

[DeinonSlayer]

I thought this would have been a more interesting dynamic in ME2 than the loyalty system.

For example, if Shepard doesn't give Jack the Cerberus intel (which is the only reason why she's on the ship) she will eventually either so psychotic biotic or leave at the next port after getting the impression that Shepard is just screwing with her. Perhaps a deceptive Shepard can feed her false data and use persuasion options to convince her that the data is real, in this scenario she will stay as a squadmate but her mission will never come up.

Or have Samara never pledge an oath and she attacks or leaves Shepard if he breaks the Justicar code, who's relevant tenants can be learned. For example, we do know Justicars prioritize saving the innocent or never killing them. So, on Zaeed's LM if Shepard brings Samara and he opts to chase after what's-his-name Samara will either abandon him to save the workers and confront Shepard afterwards on the Normandy; and if she wasn't present but hears about it Shepard would have to lie to her that there was nothing they could do. Another could be that Turian politician on Thane's LM that Shepard can shoot (which seems to go against the code) or that fish loving Krogan on the Citadel (lying to people for a profit seems like another thing). Also, since Samara's mission is to chase down Morinth, if Shepard doesn't do the mission quick enough after getting it Samara will leave to do it herself.

Tali will get exiled by default if her LM isn't done quick enough, Grunt will get more and more blood rage-y until something bad happens, etc.

I honestly think the Code would call her to kill the politician and Kolyat both. I agree about what she'd do with Garkesh and Zaeed's loyalty mission (though Shotgun Julia has previously brought up the very valid point that Shepard lacks the expertise and equipment needed to realistically deal with a refinery fire). Rewriting the heretics when the code calls for the unjust to be killed would probably spark Samara's ire as well. If dropped in BDtS, she'd save the hostages - she tells us that Nihlus threw her off his trail by leaving a civilian in danger whom she was compelled to save; using her own code against her.

I heard that at one point in ME2, Jack was supposed to be going through drug withdrawal, and Shepard had to choose whether to force her to go cold-turkey (and risk her smearing an engineer in anger at some point) or supplying her fix to her.

[Massa FX]

I hope the next game(s) take this into account. NPC reactions and consequences to decisions could be improved!

 

More reactions from the protagonist to any situation would be nice as well. For example in ME2, when grunt cracked the glass in the cargo hold. I was hoping to do something in reaction to that. It's Shepard's ship. He just damaged it. If it were me... I'd be "You do realize that's coming out of your pay." or "You'll have to fix that yourself. I want it done by the end of the day." or for the paragon Shep "Great. Get to the med bay for that head and don't do that again. Ever."

 

Or when Jack says she's not into girls, I'd have liked to say "Me either. Stop flattering yourself."

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

You'd think EDI wouls get very upset if Shepard destroyed the Geth. Garrus and the VS would probably leave the ship if the Quarians would eliminated.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Honestly, I would not warn Miranda about Kai Leng if it wasnt for the "Thane AND Miranda" event. Kinda ruins the flow.

Her dying is a fitting end. She became a terrorist because she had daddy issues. She redeemed herself. And dealt with her daddy issues.

 

It's not terrorism. 

 

It was a *lot* more than daddy issues (that really doesn't begin to cover it. Her own father tried to kill her when she ran away.)

 

She had no need to redeem herself for anything. 

[DeinonSlayer]

You'd think EDI wouls get very upset if Shepard destroyed the Geth. Garrus and the VS would probably leave the ship if the Quarians would eliminated.

She mopes about Shepard's "racism" in the cockpit in an avoidable encounter. I think it'd have been nice if she locked you in your cabin for a little one-on-one "chat" via the intercom the next time you went up there.

[Massa FX]

yeah. not terrorism.

 

I'm no Miranda fan, but I don't see her or her actions as terroristic.

 

Arrogant

Cocky

Biatcchee

all around annoying -- yep. all those.

 

but not a terrorist.

[Massa FX]

That would be a mistake. Remember in ME2? "I won't be questioned by my ship on my own ship."

 

EDI would be airlocked if she ever locked Shepard in her room for a chat. Unacceptable.

 

At least, that's how I'd respond to that.

[DeinonSlayer]

yeah. not terrorism.

I'm no Miranda fan, but I don't see her or her actions as terroristic.

Arrogant
Cocky
Biatcchee
all around annoying -- yep. all those.

but not a terrorist.

She's an apologist for and supporter of a group which has committed terrorist acts, but I wouldn't call her own actions (at least those that I know of) directly terroristic.

[DeinonSlayer]

That would be a mistake. Remember in ME2? "I won't be questioned by my ship on my own ship."

EDI would be airlocked if she ever locked Shepard in her room for a chat. Unacceptable.

At least, that's how I'd respond that that.

It's intended to put you on edge, remind you just how much power she really has, kept in check only by her moral code (which Shepard already influences through dialogue with her).

If you choose primarily renegade options, by the end she is primarily aligned with us solely in the interest of self-preservation. If you encourage her relationship with Joker she's more motivated by protecting people she cares about.

If you discourage the relationship, in the very next dialogue she says something to the effect that she doesn't care about military rank. Who exactly does she answer to? Where does she fit in the command structure? These are all interesting things to explore. I just wish it didn't come down to Joker's boning to instill those attitudes in her.