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[von uber]

She is a high ranking operative in a terrorist organisation. She would have an idea of what goes on (and she tries to justify the me1 stuff). Any court would see her tried and found guilty.
Unless they were distracted by her arse.

[DeinonSlayer]

She is a high ranking operative in a terrorist organisation. She would have an idea of what goes on (and she tries to justify the me1 stuff). Any court would see her tried and found guilty.
Unless they were distracted by her arse.

I knew the catsuit had some purpose.

[TheTurtle]

She is a high ranking operative in a terrorist organisation. She would have an idea of what goes on (and she tries to justify the me1 stuff). Any court would see her tried and found guilty.
Unless they were distracted by her arse.

While I don't think that trying to justify Cerberus action is good. An apologists is different than actually being a terrorist. Yes if she was tried she would be found guilty by association, but nothing indicates that she ever participated directly in terrorist actions herself.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

She's an apologist for and supporter of a group which has committed terrorist acts, but I wouldn't call her own actions (at least those that I know of) directly terroristic.

 

I honestly think I'm in a much greater position than anyone else here to define what is and what isn't terrorism. I've engaged with terrorists in combat myself. Cerberus aren't terrorists by my definition.

 

Of course, I'm willing to concede this point: One man's terrorist is another man's visionary/idealist.

[TheTurtle]

I honestly think I'm in a much greater position than anyone else here to define what is and what isn't terrorism. I've engaged with terrorists in combat myself. Cerberus aren't terrorists by my definition.

Of course, I'm willing to concede this point: One man's terrorist is another man's visionary/idealist.

What would you consider the attack on the Citadel? I'm not trying to be confrontational I'm just genuinely curious.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

What would you consider the attack on the Citadel? I'm not trying to be confrontational I'm just genuinely curious.

 

A military coup that had a strategic purpose for Udina. We aren't given a lot of context on the plan beyond what actually happened. It was a directed action, more akin to an invasion.

 

I personally think the aims of the plan were foolish, though the Reapers themselves I suspect were the true architects of the attack. It's possible TIM knew its significance in conjunction with the Crucible, thus wanting to secure it for his own ends.

[KaiserShep]

At that point it doesn't really matter if it's defined as terrorism or an invasion or what. It's enemy combatants attacking the civilian population and attempting to overthrow the government. Whatever their reasoning is doesn't stop the fact that they need to be neutralized.

[themikefest]

The robot situation could be fixed right away. Tell it to get back in hologram form of risk the platform going out the airlock

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The robot situation could be fixed right away. Tell it to get back in hologram form of risk the platform going out the airlock

 

I agree. I wish EDI didn't resort to the mech. Or resort to the whole Pinocchio story. It's why I grew to despise her character in ME3.

[DeinonSlayer]

I honestly think I'm in a much greater position than anyone else here to define what is and what isn't terrorism. I've engaged with terrorists in combat myself. Cerberus aren't terrorists by my definition.

Of course, I'm willing to concede this point: One man's terrorist is another man's visionary/idealist.

Cerberus is frequently called terroristic. They've assassinated politicians (among others), kidnapped people for scientific experimentation, done things like the raid on the Migrant Fleet, but I'm not aware of any random or mass killings committed to make a political statement. Not like the Batarians do.

I'd call them an organization which has committed terrorist acts (namely the assassinations), but not primarily a terrorist organization. They don't use fear as a tool of political change (again prior to ME3), indeed they didn't want to be discovered at all.

[KaiserShep]

I rather liked that EDI tried to be more than just a piece of equipment in the ship. It worked for Data, at least in the TNG series it did (hate the movies).

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

She is part of what is classified as a terrorist organization by every galactic power.

Cerberus is akin to the KKK mixed with the IRA. I'd call them terrorists.

She should be tried for treason.

And she ran away because her daddy was too demanding. Justified or not, she ran to a terrorist organization because of daddy issues.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Cerberus is frequently called terroristic. They've assassinated politicians (among others), kidnapped people for scientific experimentation, done things like the raid on the Migrant Fleet, but I'm not aware of any random or mass killings committed to make a political statement. Not like the Batarians do.

I'd call them an organization which has committed terrorist acts (namely the assassinations), but not primarily a terrorist organization. They don't use fear as a tool of political change (again prior to ME3), indeed they didn't want to be discovered at all.

 

That's why I don't call them a terrorist organization. They aren't trying to bring about social change or political gain. They have a goal of advancing and preserving humanity. They'll do whatever they have to do to maintain that goal. And, in my opinion, it's a very worthy one.

[DeinonSlayer]

I rather liked that EDI tried to be more than just a piece of equipment in the ship. It worked for Data, at least in the TNG series it did (hate the movies).

I suppose it made more sense for EDI to do it, but it was a direct inversion to what the Geth were supposed to be about. I'd be curious what Chris E'toile thought of Weekes et al taking a collective dump on his concept.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

She is part of what is classified as a terrorist organization by every galactic power.

Cerberus is akin to the KKK mixed with the IRA. I'd call them terrorists.

She should be tried for treason.

And she ran away because her daddy was too demanding. Justified or not, she ran to a terrorist organization because of daddy issues.

 

Galactic powers written by a small group of people who could be excused as being innocently ignorant. I am saying that I know better than the writers do in this regard. 

 

That's grossly inaccurate and exaggerated, if not completely downright untrue. And your definition would be flawed.

 

Treason for what exactly? Did she ever profess acknowledgment or acceptance of any group other than Cerberus? Hell, most of what she's done has been beneficial to the state. How is that terrorism? You're making an is/ought fallacy and not defining your argument at all. Without definition, your argument is dismissed.

 

'Too demanding' doesn't begin to cover it either. It's completely justified, and Miranda had a justified reason to join them. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I rather liked that EDI tried to be more than just a piece of equipment in the ship. It worked for Data, at least in the TNG series it did (hate the movies).

 

I dislike that whole aspect of the machine in fiction. The more I think about it, the more I think it's just wishful thinking with science to make the characters more identifiable by making them more human. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's intended to put you on edge, remind you just how much power she really has, kept in check only by her moral code (which Shepard already influences through dialogue with her).

If you choose primarily renegade options, by the end she is primarily aligned with us solely in the interest of self-preservation. If you encourage her relationship with Joker she's more motivated by protecting people she cares about.

If you discourage the relationship, in the very next dialogue she says something to the effect that she doesn't care about military rank. Who exactly does she answer to? Where does she fit in the command structure? These are all interesting things to explore. I just wish it didn't come down to Joker's boning to instill those attitudes in her.

 

Flashing the AI Core can solve the problem.

[themikefest]

I also believe having edi as a squadmate and acting "human" was Bioware's  way  of promoting the synthesis ending

[von uber]

That's why I don't call them a terrorist organization. They aren't trying to bring about social change or political gain. They have a goal of advancing and preserving humanity. They'll do whatever they have to do to maintain that goal. And, in my opinion, it's a very worthy one.

 

Including murdering and expeimenting on humans. Neat. Wanting to advance humanity is a political goal; just because one of the front pieces happens to have her arse shoved in the camera, had big knockers and is supposed to be attractive doesn't change the fact that they are a terroist organisation according to the rest of the galaxy, including humanity.

If you support that, then fine, that's your choice - doesn't change what they are.

[von uber]

I also believe having edi as a squadmate and acting "human" was Bioware's  way  of promoting the synthesis ending

 

Yes, as well as making her look like a sexbot (can't kill EDI she has pnuematic Zeppelins!).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yes, as well as making her look like a sexbot (can't kill EDI she has pnuematic Zeppelins!).

 

It's those bumper bullets....

 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Galactic powers written by a small group of people who could be excused as being innocently ignorant. I am saying that I know better than the writers do in this regard.

That's grossly inaccurate and exaggerated, if not completely downright untrue. And your definition would be flawed.

Treason for what exactly? Did she ever profess acknowledgment or acceptance of any group other than Cerberus? Hell, most of what she's done has been beneficial to the state. How is that terrorism? You're making an is/ought fallacy and not defining your argument at all. Without definition, your argument is dismissed.

'Too demanding' doesn't begin to cover it either. It's completely justified, and Miranda had a justified reason to join them.

Galactic powers written by the collective governments of the galaxy. The council are ambassadors from the Republics, Union, Hierarchy, and Alliance.

How so? Cerberus is a rascist organization that is well organized and commits militant acts.

Working for Cerberus, especially as the goddamn second in command, is treason. Shepard gets off because she's a Spectre. If an American worked for al-Qaeda, I'd say he commited treason. Unless you can prove she deniunced her Alliance citizenship, she's a traitor.

From the games at least, it just seems like he wanted a dynasty and expected perfection.

[von uber]

Do you think EDI is Unsafe at any speed?

[shepskisaac]

Don't see what's wrong with "promoting" Synthesis, they promoted Destroy even more with Anderson, Javik and basically the entire 'main goal'. It's Control that got shafted out of the 3

[KaiserShep]

Don't see what's wrong with "promoting" Synthesis, they promoted Destroy even more with Anderson, Javik and basically the entire 'main goal'. It's Control that got shafted out of the 3

This is actually true. Control had zero advocates beyond the deranged in the story.

"Shepard, we need to control the reapers. Now if you'll excuse me, I have lots of people to kill bahahahahahaha!"