I was talking more about their incompetence.
Which, of course, makes me a little bit skeptical of how they somehow raised a standing army, in secret, along with constructing a fleet in six months,
They even had a dreadnought stationed at Omega. Which, of course, was destroyed by a couple of seconds of fire from Aria's cruiser. Makes sense that they'd forget to install kinetic barriers.
Didn't Aria ram the ship and eject in life pods?
I'm still waiting for that one day where someone new to the forums comes into the forums and makes a rage thread about ME3 ending(s). And then we're all like "'Kay" regardless of how well constructed the thread was or how crappy it looks.
Didn't Aria ram the ship and eject in life pods?
Sometimes I feel like BioWare forgot this was a dialogue intensive series and that there were other ways to have the player engage with the game other than emptying thermal clips. And while the Reapers themselves aren't practical at all to fight using the combat mechanics (and when the game does it's somewhat awkward, like the Rannoch Reaper) Shepard is more than capable of engaging with them in conversation. I think one of the main problems with Cerberus and the Reapers in ME3 isn't so much that Cerberus shows up way to often (although that is a problem), it's that Shepard never engages the Reapers past shooting at them (at least until the end). This just makes Cerberus feel like the bigger presence and the bigger bad throughout the story because the more sophisticated (talkie) and intriguing parts are handled by Cerberus. Unfortunately, the Cerberus plot line ends up being a reheated and less interesting version of Saren's arch back in ME1; it certainly didn't need all the build up, development time, and plot bending that it got.
I think this is partly why the Leviathan DLC is so refreshing. It adds some intrigue back to the Reapers.
Wait, weren't those new cannons installed on Omega itself and not the dreadnought?
Wait, weren't those new cannons installed on Omega itself and not the dreadnought?
I do like me a bit of Leviathan, I must say. I think that is my favourite bit of story DLC (with LotSB second on reflection as it only benefits from being a continuation of a Liara romance, Vasir's cameo notwithstanding).
Didn't Aria ram the ship and eject in life pods?
No, she actually destroyed the Dreadnought.
http://youtu.be/NEN_g3fGkUQ?t=1m43s
I do like me a bit of Leviathan, I must say. I think that is my favourite bit of story DLC (with LotSB second on reflection as it only benefits from being a continuation of a Liara romance, Vasir's cameo notwithstanding).
Well, that sucks 
Aside from part that Leviathan is pretty much cash grab mady by BioWare and EA to suck little more out of trademark, it´s also one of the few reasons why the lore in last game was totally butchered - literally screwed. The funny part about it is that, even with Leviathan is lore of ME still in total mess, and you can guess to what to thank for that credit 
Just played the trilogy as I well and not a single ending seem to fit my game.
At least the reason I couldn't accept the destroy ending was the geth. It seemed like the perfect ending if not for that. After two games being proved the geth and the AI as a whole were not this enemy of the organic as it seemed at first, it just sounded incredibly stupid to have to accept the idea synthetic are the nemesis of the organic. To my Shepard specially this would make less sense after making peace between geth and quarian (if the option was not there, I would pick the geth over the quarian at any time).
If someone chose to kill the geth off before, I think the destroy ending would fit, I guess...
Sadly, there is no ending for me since the other options are even worse (controling the reapers is like betraying everything in the trilogy. Synergy just feels wrong).
Just played the trilogy as I well and not a single ending seem to fit my game.
At least the reason I couldn't accept the destroy ending was the geth. It seemed like the perfect ending if not for that. After two games being proved the geth and the AI as a whole were not this enemy of the organic as it seemed at first, it just sounded incredibly stupid to have to accept the idea synthetic are the nemesis of the organic. To my Shepard specially this would make less sense after making peace between geth and quarian (if the option was not there, I would pick the geth over the quarian at any time).
If someone chose to kill the geth off before, I think the destroy ending would fit, I guess...
Sadly, there is no ending for me since the other options are even worse (controling the reapers is like betraying everything in the trilogy. Synergy just feels wrong).
Clearly you are confused and need to have it explained to you how awesome the endings really are. If you want Destroy without the geth being annihilated, you are an entitled whiner who doesn't know what art is
But if you're on teh PC, there may be an ending for you. Won't say anymore since people get p*ssed when I do, but check out the link in my sig.
Clearly you are confused and need to have it explained to you how awesome the endings really are. If you want Destroy without the geth being annihilated, you are an entitled whiner who doesn't know what art is
But if you're on teh PC, there may be an ending for you. Won't say anymore since people get p*ssed when I do, but check out the link in my sig.
Honestly?
You spout off about your... crap.... about as much as others do about theirs. Yes, the ending sucks. I know. I figured that out 2 years ago. But your idea isn't any better. It's just as bad. As far as what it's trying to shoot for, it's probably worse. If all you're upset about is the moral and ethical consequences of the ending, then you completely missed the point of why the ending is bad.
You didn't miss the point of the ending. You missed the point of why it's bad. There. I said it. And I've been wanting to say it to you for a long time in response to your crap saccharine morality sue drivel for a very long time.
Honestly?
You spout off about your... crap.... about as much as others do about theirs. Yes, the ending sucks. I know. I figured that out 2 years ago. But your idea isn't any better. It's just as bad. As far as what it's trying to shoot for, it's probably worse. If all you're upset about is the moral and ethical consequences of the ending, then you completely missed the point of why the ending is bad.
You didn't miss the point of the ending. You missed the point of why it's bad. There. I said it. And I've been wanting to say it to you for a long time in response to your crap saccharine morality sue drivel for a very long time.
Actually I was referring to those pro-enders who take umbrage at any indication that the endings don't belong in a trendy museum to be ooed and ahhed over. I certainly don't place you in that crowd.
I also said it's an ending that may work for guigaccess. It's another option, provided said poster is on a PC so the game can be modded. The endings fail on many levels, yes. And it's hated for many reasons. Logical, moral, and thematic.
The fact that so many people can agree the endings are bad, yet disagree on why exactly it's bad just shows howrotten to the core the endings really are, that they can manage to instill so many facets of disgust
Clearly you are confused and need to have it explained to you how awesome the endings really are. If you want Destroy without the geth being annihilated, you are an entitled whiner who doesn't know what art is
But if you're on teh PC, there may be an ending for you. Won't say anymore since people get p*ssed when I do, but check out the link in my sig.
PS3 version.
I get you, I see what people seem to think about those complaining about the endings, but I can't agree with them.
I don't mind things not ging exactly how I want. I don't mind Shepard dying in the end (although, obviously, I prefer if she could live), I don't even mind we don't get to know what happened to the people/groups/races we got to meet and helped out (I manage to see that as a "this is your story. The aftermath is whatever you want it to be" - lazy, but ok). I can even tolerate the fact my individual choices throughout the whole story doesn't reflect in anything in the end of a game that is supposed to be all about the "how you get there", I don't like it but I can accept it and go on.
But having to accept this notion of "synthetics are the enemies" feels like the game is betraying itself because everything it showed us pointed on the other direction. If the end was not what I wanted it to be but made sense to what the game shows, I wouldn't be displeased.
Aside from part that Leviathan is pretty much cash grab mady by BioWare and EA to suck little more out of trademark, it´s also one of the few reasons why the lore in last game was totally butchered - literally screwed. The funny part about it is that, even with Leviathan is lore of ME still in total mess, and you can guess to what to thank for that credit
But having to accept this notion of "synthetics are the enemies" feels like the game is betraying itself because everything it showed us pointed on the other direction. If the end was not what I wanted it to be but made sense to what the game shows, I wouldn't be displeased.
Who said you have to accept that?
The Catalyst
The Leviathans
Javik
Pretty much everyone designed to "explain" the ending and give it meaning.
Actually I was referring to those pro-enders who take umbrage at any indication that the endings don't belong in a trendy museum to be ooed and ahhed over. I certainly don't place you in that crowd.
I also said it's an ending that may work for guigaccess. It's another option, provided said poster is on a PC so the game can be modded. The endings fail on many levels, yes. And it's hated for many reasons. Logical, moral, and thematic.
The fact that so many people can agree the endings are bad, yet disagree on why exactly it's bad just shows howrotten to the core the endings really are, that they can manage to instill so many facets of disgust
Just want to get this off my chest...
I am probably considered a "pro-ender" in the sense I like the ending well enough, am okay with it, generally disagree with what a lot of people find wrong with it. That's not to say I think it's anything exceptional or flawless, I just don't feel the need to go over how/where it's flawed, because that's been covered by many others more than enough times IMO (and yet, sometimes I still end up doing so).
@ iakus: And you believe the Catalyst and the Leviathans are right about ..... anything? Aren't they the bad guys who screwed over the entire history of the galaxy?
I'm not really competent to speak about Javik since all I've seen of him is three or four video clips. But the impression I've got is that he doesn't have any great insight into things either.
No, I think they're full of it. But clearly Bioware wants them to be right. The Leviathans' very existence is pretty much to prop up the Catalyst's reasoning.
And Javik goes on and on (and on) about how dangerous synthetics are, both in his cycle and teh current one. "Throw it out the airlock" and so on.
When you talk about it being a cash grab, do you mean that there's something particularly bad about Leviathan, or are all DLCs cash grabs?
And how did Leviathan make the lore worse?
Well, I take all dlcs which are in some way multilating a core plot as cash grab, all dlcs made for ME3 were cash grab in certain way, but least shady was Omega due that it was planned to be a part of ME2 not the ME3, but at least it´s not breaking into the core narrative, even plot fits more intho second installment and if you ask where did I get it - yes it was mentioned by someone I guess Walters, that they had a plan for this DLC since the release of ME2, but they never used it till the ME3.
I do find acceptable dlcs which are for free at day 1(despite I did preorder of CE, otherwise Shale was great one) or ones like Overlord (Wardens keep, etc...), but I really don´t find acceptable DLCs which are comming with some core narrative themes, which should be already in game. In the other words, From Ashes and Leviathan are both the same as you cut out of ME1 Sovereign and Vigil and put them into the DLC with name - Understand to the core narrative...
And how do Leviathan lore worse, well you have no idea if Leviathan is not lying, than also if he knew about all the stuff, why he simply haven´t mentioned the Catalyst´s position, weakspot, hardrive or bluebox - just whatever - killswitch, instead of answering the question you recieved more or less vague answers which were hardly convincing, not to mention le´Crucible.
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Leviathan was written to justify the existence of starbrat. Nothing more. Nothing less. While it's interesting having these stupid creatures around, having them seem to be the dominant race of the galaxy over a billion years ago does seem to be preposterous. They are not very good at manual dexterity. This means they used thralls to do everything. Everything... including writing computer code for their Starbrat. I can just see them pushing buttons on a keypad and soldering wires and routing cables, let alone building ****. Reaper husks must have built the Citadel and the Mass Relays while the Reapers gathered the resources from strip mining planets. But the husks are mindless, right? Unless they're the Collectors and Marauders. "The Intelligence still serves its purpose." Preserve organic life at all costs. Marmalade Theory. It works! And the Leviathans didn't evolve at all in over a billion years. Amazing! The galaxy's first grand prize winner of the Darwin Award.
All the endings are virtually identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen: you die, the relays explode, and the Normandy crashes.
If you play again, just kill the geth at Rannoch. It solves the problem.
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And the Leviathans didn't evolve at all in over a billion years. Amazing! The galaxy's first grand prize winner of the Darwin Award.
Yeah... about that...
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True, but since most evolutionary mutations show up as defects that are corrected medically, I'd guess Leviathan cured them rather than mutate. Besides, who says the current Leviathan aren't evolved somewhat from their ancestors?
How could a race that is in hiding and has no manual dexterity correct anything. They rely on thralls to do everything. And they spout the same exact drivel as their ancestors. "The Intelligence still serves its purpose." How would the ancestors even know about this "Intelligence?" Shouldn't it be folk tales, or even forgotten by this time? They should be sea creatures.
The entire DLC is crap just for the purpose of justifying the existence of the starchild. They didn't even have to do it. They did it for the "rule of cool." It makes no sense at all. The Leviathan of Dis makes no sense either.
I'm just hoping the next installment has nothing to do with Shepard or anything to do with this ending or the reapers. Retcon the entire thing and say the mass relays were built by the Protheans, and maybe have them still around in a collapsing Byzantium.
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