I'm just hoping the next installment has nothing to do with Shepard or anything to do with this ending or the reapers. Retcon the entire thing and say the mass relays were built by the Protheans, and maybe have them still around in a collapsing Byzantium.
Yeah, the Reapers don't actually exist.
@ShotgunJulia
You really think they're hiding down there with NO technology, not even medicine?
M-kay.
I figured that light we saw beneath them was their unseen underwater city.
Tunnel vision.
But otherwise, that's speculation on your part, and not justified. I think they have little down there. Otherwise, the Reapers might have detected them somehow.
No, she actually destroyed the Dreadnought.
http://youtu.be/NEN_g3fGkUQ?t=1m43s
She didn't destroy the dreadnought. Looks more like she disabled its main canon. With a machine gun. On a Cruiser. Which makes no sense. BW isn't very consistent with their portrayal of weaponry.
@ShotgunJulia
You really think they're hiding down there with NO technology, not even medicine?
M-kay.
I figured that light we saw beneath them was their unseen underwater city.
Bioluminescence. That's what you saw. And perhaps some phosphorescence in the rocks. And yes, I do. No tech down below. They are not very adept at manual dexterity and fine motor skills. Look at the size of them. I'd like to see them pull cable, let alone build a space ship. The poor saps who stumbled on them became their first thralls. And what is this tribute? The mental energy of a race? The existence of the Leviathans was BS. They're probably very good sauteed in garlic and olive oil.
Bioluminescence. That's what you saw. And perhaps some phosphorescence in the rocks. And yes, I do. No tech down below. They are not very adept at manual dexterity and fine motor skills. Look at the size of them. I'd like to see them pull cable, let alone build a space ship. The poor saps who stumbled on them became their first thralls. And what is this tribute? The mental energy of a race? The existence of the Leviathans was BS. They're probably very good sauteed in garlic and olive oil.
Javik approves.
Before the catalyst's creation, tribute could have meant anything, but my guess is resources they needed to survive like eezo, or materials to create more mind control devices. maybe they pitted races against eachother in wars for entertainment. Leviathan basically implies to shep that the galaxy was their plaything.
@ShotgunJulia
@MassivelyEffective
Seriously? A billion years in hiding, and you think all they have is very little, or just bioluminescence?
Ok.
Until you give us evidence to the contrary, then yes. We aren't seeing anything else beyond the orbs they use.
Being smug isn't an argument.
I should add served over linguine.
It's as much an argument as your absolute declaration.Until you give us evidence to the contrary, then yes. We aren't seeing anything else beyond the orbs they use.
Being smug isn't an argument.
@ShotgunJulia
@MassivelyEffective
Seriously? A billion years in hiding, and you think all they have is very little, or just bioluminescence?
Ok.
Do they have anything else?
It's as much an argument as your absolute declaration.
Well they didn't give us much to go on, did they? If the Leviathans had any advanced technology, the Reapers would have detected it long ago. Oh, but you say, the Leviathans killed one. Yes they did. They also got harvested. The only things we saw were those silly orbs and some glow that could be phosphorescence and some bioluminescence. That's it. I'm sorry to burst your bubble. The Leviathans make no sense at all, and quite honestly the Reapers make no sense at all, either.
It's as much an argument as your absolute declaration.
I made no absolute declaration. I challenged your incredulity and challenged you to back it up.
@ShotgunJulia
@MassivelyEffective
Seriously? A billion years in hiding, and you think all they have is very little, or just bioluminescence?
Ok.
She didn't destroy the dreadnought. Looks more like she disabled its main canon. With a machine gun. On a Cruiser. Which makes no sense. BW isn't very consistent with their portrayal of weaponry.
At the very least, she crippled it. With a single cruiser. So apparently they forgot to install kinetic barriers or something.
Also, can we get that weapon technology onto the Ascension, maybe? Assuming that the dreadnought did have barriers, then we have to assume that the cruiser, hitting it 10-15 times, has similar firepower to a standard cruiser's main gun. The Ascension would eat Reapers for breakfast with that.
Your declaration was that the sentient billion year old society had "very little."I made no absolute declaration. I challenged your incredulity and challenged you to back it up.
Your declaration was that the sentient billion year old society had "very little."
I simply find that notion ridiculous. You may have challenged me to defend my belief, but in this case I don't think the onus is really on me to do so.
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One piece of hard evidence is their orbs. Either these are relics of their empire which means their technology can last for a billion years and they could still have their original working technology with them; or the Leviathan make and send them out into the galaxy which means they have technology to do so.
I made no declaration of the sort. And yes, the prerogative is on you to defend your claim. You expressed a belief and it as stated a theory. Now back it up. Sociologically, I'd challenge the very assertion that the Leviathan's even have a society anymore given what evidence we have seen.
That's hardly compelling evidence for how much technology they have. Going into how we have no idea on how they're made, we can say how the orbs might have been spread. They might be leftover remnants from their society scattered across the stars, or taken by enthralled captures that were released to spread them across the universe. There's a lot more possibilities than what you're giving.
Its indicative of Leviathan's ability to still use technology, and if it is a remnant it shows their technology can last in working order for a billion years. Surely it would not be the only technology to do that.
What is your argument for the Leviathan having "very little"?
I believe earlier that you said they would not have technology, or at least very little, to avoid Reaper detection; however the Prothean base at Ilos shows they just needed to be off the grid (not in any databases) to avoid detection.
I'd imagine that a billion years of enthralling other species with said orbs to maintain (and repair or possibly disseminate what ones remain) might have something to do with that. You keep up regular upkeep to a car, or a lamp, or a PC, or any tech, you can make it last indefinitely. Otherwise, it's complete speculation based on nothing beyond said speculation.
My argument is that there is absolutely no other form of technology seen to be of Leviathan origin beyond the Catalyst, the Citadel, and the Reapers themselves. And they really aren't being used for the benefit of the Leviathans. So beyond the orbs (hence the 'very little'), we see no other forms of Leviathan technology being used by them, and, unless shown evidence otherwise, I remain skeptical of your claim.
I said it was a possibility. I never stated it as truth, but I will argue in defense of it; The Reapers are based off of Leviathan technology. As the game shows us, the Reapers are actively tracking Leviathan technology, because they correctly estimate that the Leviathans would be a grave threat to them. I postulate that the Reapers are specifically looking for and tracking Leviathan technology. That is why the Leviathans might have so little tech or none at all. The Reapers know what to look for, and they know how it works, because they themselves are based off the technology.
The notes on the Despoina wreck indicate that survivors found orbs in the water, so the orbs are in functioning order on the Leviathan planet, not only out in space or on other planets tended by thralls that found them.
The orbs are not "very little" - these are indicative of highly advanced technology that the Leviathan are using. Just think of any complex piece of machinery that we possess, and the infrastructure needed to build or maintain them. The orbs are the end product, but they indicate the society's substantial technological ability. Maintaining the orbs on the planet indicates the same.
You mean like 50,000 year old Prothean beacons? 
The onus is not on the writers showing us that Leviathan has technology to indicate it is so, the onus is on showing us that they DO NOT for us players to assume that they don't.
Actually, it is. The writers have to justify why we're bothering to make an Alliance with them. And how they are not degenerate Rakata just hanging around the Star Forge because they've grown to primitive to move on.
The notes on the Despoina wreck indicate that survivors found orbs in the water, so the orbs are in functioning order on the Leviathan planet, not only out in space or on other planets tended by thralls that found them.
The orbs are not "very little" - these are indicative of highly advanced technology that the Leviathan are using. Just think of any complex piece of machinery that we possess, and the infrastructure needed to build or maintain them. The orbs are the end product, but they indicate the society's substantial technological ability. Maintaining the orbs on the planet indicates the same.
The Reapers are actively tracking Leviathan technology, but that just means that Leviathan ought not to spread their technology out in space such that it could be tracked back to them. It does not mean that Leviathan would not have technology, or live in a technologically advanced society. They would at least want advanced technology to detect the arrival of aliens.
Also, I just want to stress what it is Leviathan would be giving up with not having technology. They would put themselves at the mercy of the elements of the ocean, weather patterns that could lead to famine and starvation, other predators of the ocean (if there are any), and natural medical threats of sickness and disease. Without technology, they would also be putting themselves at the mercy of any species capable of space travel that would eventually find them, and that doesn't get close enough to be mind blasted or controlled. If that sounds implausible, consider that the Normandy in orbit around the planet puts Leviathan in exactly that position.
In addition, a billion years have passed since the Reapers were created. That is a billion years of research and development to their technology, research that does not stop in the 50,000 year gaps that the Reapers go dormant in darkspace. Think of how far our technology has developed in just a few decades. Even if Leviathan originally reduced their tech footprint to avoid detection, they have had a billion years to overcome whatever impediments or signs they had that would have caused them to be detected.
The onus is not on the writers showing us that Leviathan has technology to indicate it is so, the onus is on showing us that they DO NOT for us players to assume that they don't.
The orbs are such an ass pull it isn't even funny. If they were found on land they'd be buried under let's see how deep is the Grand Canyon? Found in space? Do you know how small they are? They're about the size of a Swiss Ball. How big is the galaxy? The Reapers have been looking for them for a billion years or longer. There aren't any new ones unless they are biological in nature. But they can't get to land because they're sea animals, unless they're like Leviathan s*** and it floats.
Well, they're not in my ME3 because I didn't buy the DLC. I watched it on Youtube. I bought Omega because of Aria. Omega at least made some sense and didn't retroactively justify that stupid ending. The EC is still the same stupid ending with sprinkles.
The notes on the Despoina wreck indicate that survivors found orbs in the water, so the orbs are in functioning order on the Leviathan planet, not only out in space or on other planets tended by thralls that found them.
The orbs are not "very little" - these are indicative of highly advanced technology that the Leviathan are using. Just think of any complex piece of machinery that we possess, and the infrastructure needed to build or maintain them. The orbs are the end product, but they indicate the society's substantial technological ability. Maintaining the orbs on the planet indicates the same.
The Reapers are actively tracking Leviathan technology, but that just means that Leviathan ought not to spread their technology out in space such that it could be tracked back to them. It does not mean that Leviathan would not have technology, or live in a technologically advanced society. They would at least want advanced technology to detect the arrival of aliens.
Also, I just want to stress what it is Leviathan would be giving up with not having technology. They would put themselves at the mercy of the elements of the ocean, weather patterns that could lead to famine and starvation, other predators of the ocean (if there are any), and natural medical threats of sickness and disease. Without technology, they would also be putting themselves at the mercy of any species capable of space travel that would eventually find them, and that doesn't get close enough to be mind blasted or controlled. If that sounds implausible, consider that the Normandy in orbit around the planet puts Leviathan in exactly that position.
In addition, a billion years have passed since the Reapers were created. That is a billion years of research and development to their technology, research that does not stop in the 50,000 year gaps that the Reapers go dormant in darkspace. Think of how far our technology has developed in just a few decades. Even if Leviathan originally reduced their tech footprint to avoid detection, they have had a billion years to overcome whatever impediments or signs they had that would have caused them to be detected.
The onus is not on the writers showing us that Leviathan has technology to indicate it is so, the onus is on showing us that they DO NOT for us players to assume that they don't.
To be as succinct as I can:
That's a load of headcanon. Beyond some basic information about their orbs, this is purely made-up.
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