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[Rusty Sandusky]

Off to a great start on the new forums I see.

[Chari]

Dalish and Dalish only

[Vilegrim]

 
Sounds to me like a fun opportunity to subvert the extreme position? To recognize that circumstances come up that show that collaboration comes up?
 
 

There's nothing suggesting that the short term goals of the Divine, and the short term goals of the Dalish Inquisitor, cannot be in alignment.

 

 

since the short term goals of the dalish are 'painful death to the divine' they kinda are..unless she is suicidal.  Hell I am hoping that I can use the fade tears as a weapon of policy: kill all the personnel of the chantry, templars, sisters, all of them, or I let the world fall.  Better the world end than the Chantry continue.

[Dobyk]

I see some people are disappointed about not being a City Elf?

 

Fair enough, and that's too bad if that's what you were looking forward to. I'd caution anyone who decides who and what their Inquisition PC is going to be prior to knowing anything about the story and their PC's place in it or even how our character generation is going to work. You're setting yourself up for disappointment, and that applies to more fronts than just elves.

 

Duly warned be thee says I.

 

Well, playing a Dalish can be an interesting challenge in its own   I do hope we will have a degree of control and customization over some of the character's backstory, though. I really, really dislike the idea of actually being born into a Dalish clan, because you will spend your childhood in that environment and will absorb to one extent or another the cultural values and mores of the group. Not that there's something wrong with the Dalish, I'm just not a fan of their culture and lifestyle. I would much rather be a city elf adopted by a Dalish clan, similarly to Lanaya's story and how Zathrian basically adopted her. I still remember how curious Lanaya was about the human world, her place of origin, and she came across as, generally, more accepting. If I could pull off this kind of a Dalish mage, for example, I would be more than hyped to play the game! Since we don't have much information on what will actually make it in the game there is no point to fantacize and raise specific expectations. I just hope we will be able to somehow tailor our character to a specific temperament and backstory if we so choose, like a city-born Dalish, which would give you the backstory to actually justify you as curious and open to the outside world, a perfect emissary for the Dalish for example, outright leader material right there.

[St. Victorious]

Necro-thread powers activate.

[Dobyk]

At least we know one thing: either way they wont wear shoes.

 

Is that confirmed? I am soooo sad xD I will be a Dalish pariah, and will wear shoes! A-Ha!

[Allan Schumacher]

since the short term goals of the dalish are 'painful death to the divine' they kinda are

 

I disagree.  But I have more context than you.

[Steelcan]

I disagree.  But I have more context than you.

Oh don't be that way Allan, no one likes a tease

[Zered]

I don't care about their goals! I just want shoes damn it! 

[Vilegrim]

I disagree.  But I have more context than you.

 

 

fair enough.  But I seriously hope destroying the chantry is a goal I can pursue, for I have never seen it as anything but the most vile mortal force in Thedas.  If the price for that is a partial or complete failure of the main quest, that would be a price worth paying imho.

[DarthLaxian]

I do agree that the Dalish origin in DAO was probably the least interesting (disclaimer: it was also the first level to load on consoles, so I probably played it more than 200 times....).  The city elf was more interesting and had a stronger sense of conflict (I wonder if it's because it's a bit easier to relate to, and in that sense a bit more "human") which I think set the stage for the City Elf having a greater opportunity at coming across as interesting.

 

That said, it also makes me wonder if some who are very disappointed would end up being pleasantly surprised if the Dalish components were just done better and were considered more interesting?

 

Well Allan (I think I already asked, but: May I call you that?),

 

I don't think it is the "more human like" thing that drew one to the city-elf, more like the situation being more interesting as a whole (fighting oppression is always something that draws me in I have to confess and being the underdog is fun sometimes, too) - I played both origins only once and I remember less about the dalish one then the city-elf one, so I guess the later was more interesting (note: my characters tend to be mages - because that's what I can't be or learn in reality (I can learn to sneak, pick locks, wield daggers/swords/crossbows/bows etc. but not magic) and thus draws me in more...I tend to think that non-magic characters are a little on the boring side)...though I still have bones to pick with it:

 

My character would have never agreed to marry someone in an arranged ceremony, because that's oppression, too (at least for me) for example (freedom - and all that comes with it is the highest good for me and everything that takes away from that is something I dislike (exceptions are made for things preventing anarchy and harming other people - within reason of course, so I could NEVER support something like the Patriot-Act (very patriotic...*shakes his head and sighs*))) - lore or not, I could never play a character that would go for that (unless: it was for either survival reasons (you are killed if you don't) or for say power (like marrying Anora - which of course my mage-characters never could ^^))

 

so, back to topic:

 

Why do you need to be Dalish? (oh and: Can we at least chose not to have those Tats? - While some of them are stylish, I would love to be able to go without...makes spying rather inconvenient for example, because you can't blend in!)

 

greetings LAX

[Hanako Ikezawa]

fair enough.  But I seriously hope destroying the chantry is a goal I can pursue, for I have never seen it as anything but the most vile mortal force in Thedas.  If the price for that is a partial or complete failure of the main quest, that would be a price worth paying imho.

Really? Here I thought it would be the slave-owning, blood magic-using, Social Darwinistic Tevinter Imperium that would hold that title. 

[Vilegrim]

Really? Here I thought it would be the slave-owning, blood magic-using, Social Darwinistic Tevinter Imperium that would hold that title. 

 

 

They are devoted chantry worshippers as well.  Also they have the redeeming feature of honesty, the chantry practises oppression on a global scale with a smile and 'it's for your own good' attitude while launching exalted marches at any who resist, obliterating any other faith they find an locking tens of thousands in camps (very nice camps called circles...but camps in which all can be killed at a whim) for nothing but an accident of birth.   Burning the lot at the stake is to kind, but will do until I think of something more painful. 

 

Feed them to demons maybe..but again to merciful.

[Mistic]

They are devoted chantry worshippers as well.  Also they have the redeeming feature of honesty, the chantry practises oppression on a global scale with a smile and 'it's for your own good' attitude while launching exalted marches at any who resist, obliterating any other faith they find an locking tens of thousands in camps (very nice camps called circles...but camps in which all can be killed at a whim) for nothing but an accident of birth.   Burning the lot at the stake is to kind, but will do until I think of something more painful. 

 

Feed them to demons maybe..but again to merciful.

 

They were "slave-owning, blood magic-using, Social Darwinistic" (as Hinata Hyuuga said) long before they were Andrastian. In fact, since they became Andrastian they have mellowed a bit. Not much, that's for sure.

 

And honesty as a "redeeming feature"? In Tevinter? Really? As Fenris and WoT point out, officially blood magic is forbidden in Tevinter, but everybody knows the magister use it while pretending to follow the rules.

 

Tevinter is a very interesting place from a lore and gamey point of view, but it's one of the most horrible places in Thedas. The Chantry has done many bad things for centuries, but Tevinter has always managed to do worse in every aspect.

[Shadow Fox]

They are devoted chantry worshippers as well.  Also they have the redeeming feature of honesty, the chantry practises oppression on a global scale with a smile and 'it's for your own good' attitude while launching exalted marches at any who resist, obliterating any other faith they find an locking tens of thousands in camps (very nice camps called circles...but camps in which all can be killed at a whim) for nothing but an accident of birth.   Burning the lot at the stake is to kind, but will do until I think of something more painful. 

 

Feed them to demons maybe..but again to merciful.

But horrifically murdering and torturing people for practicing a religion totally isn't oppression if you disagree with it.

 

Riiight.

 

 

 

Also hope that I don't have to point out that the crimes your advocating committing genocide against a religious group for have been perpetrated by every institution religious or not in all the known world at one time or another.

[LobselVith8]

since the short term goals of the dalish are 'painful death to the divine' they kinda are..unless she is suicidal. Hell I am hoping that I can use the fade tears as a weapon of policy: kill all the personnel of the chantry, templars, sisters, all of them, or I let the world fall. Better the world end than the Chantry continue.

The Dalish clans aren't oriented towards the destruction of the Chantry of Andraste, they are focused on maintaining their culture, heritage, and religion despite the criminalization of their faith, the threats of violence made against them by Andrastians who try to force them to convert, and the templars who pursue them because of their free mages. Of course, the developers already said that the player wouldn't be forced to work for the Chantry, so I don't expect the protagonist to be put in a position where he (or she) is coerced into helping an organization some dislike (especially for players who find the Andrastian Chantry to be morally repugnant).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They are devoted chantry worshippers as well.  Also they have the redeeming feature of honesty, the chantry practises oppression on a global scale with a smile and 'it's for your own good' attitude while launching exalted marches at any who resist, obliterating any other faith they find an locking tens of thousands in camps (very nice camps called circles...but camps in which all can be killed at a whim) for nothing but an accident of birth.   Burning the lot at the stake is to kind, but will do until I think of something more painful. 

 

Feed them to demons maybe..but again to merciful.

No, they aren't. They ignore the Chantry and made their own version of it. The Imperial Chantry. 

 

As for everything else, people have already answered that.

[AlanC9]

No, they aren't. They ignore the Chantry and made their own version of it. The Imperial Chantry. 

 

 

Protestants did that too. They were still Christians.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Protestants did that too. They were still Christians.

I know. But the Thedas equivalent would be the Imperial Chantry are still Andrastian. Considering the Imperial Chantry still part of the White Chantry is like considering the Protestants still part of the Catholic Church.

[Setiweb]

Elf: Dalish or City?

Prefer Dalish here.

[Eveangaline]

Prefer Dalish here.

But do you prefer them over there? Or do you prefer them anywhere?