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[Legenlorn]

I do agree that the Dalish origin in DAO was probably the least interesting (disclaimer: it was also the first level to load on consoles, so I probably played it more than 200 times....).  The city elf was more interesting and had a stronger sense of conflict (I wonder if it's because it's a bit easier to relate to, and in that sense a bit more "human") which I think set the stage for the City Elf having a greater opportunity at coming across as interesting.
 
That said, it also makes me wonder if some who are very disappointed would end up being pleasantly surprised if the Dalish components were just done better and were considered more interesting?

That might work. I don't see why not. However, the CE was at the bottom of the food chain. The dalish are higher on the ladder so I don't think you can get the same feel for them like with the city elves.

[jillabender]

I do agree that the Dalish origin in DAO was probably the least interesting (disclaimer: it was also the first level to load on consoles, so I probably played it more than 200 times....).  The city elf was more interesting and had a stronger sense of conflict (I wonder if it's because it's a bit easier to relate to, and in that sense a bit more "human") which I think set the stage for the City Elf having a greater opportunity at coming across as interesting.

 

That said, it also makes me wonder if some who are very disappointed would end up being pleasantly surprised if the Dalish components were just done better and were considered more interesting?

 

The City Elf Origin was definitely my favourite Origin in DA:O. I adore Shianni, and Vaughan is such a terrific villain because he's such a thoroughly despicable slimebucket in every way, yet he still feels like he could be a real-life slimebucket. My first Warden was a City Elf – I remember how invested I was in saving my friends from those rotten bastards, and it was one of the things that sold me on the game from the very beginning. Saving the Alienage from slavers in the lead-up to the Landsmeet, and fighting alongside Shianni in the final battle, also made the ending that much more awesome.

 

The Dalish Origin didn't quite grab me from the start in the same way, but it really grew on me because of how tragic it is. I found the way that Tamlen's fate played out – and the idea that the Dalish Warden might rather have died among his or her clan instead of leaving to become a Grey Warden – really heart-breaking, and that ultimately made playing a Dalish Elf very rewarding for me. In fact, my two favourite DA:O playthroughs were both with Dalish Wardens.

 

I would personally be more excited about the idea of playing a City Elf Inquisitor in DA:I, rather than a Dalish Elf, because I find that the circumstances of the City Elves tend to give rise to conflict that feels more true-to-life and compelling (to me personally) than is the case with the Dalish Elves. But I'm definitely open to the idea of playing a Dalish Inquisitor – as others have said, it could be a really cool opportunity to make the Dalish Elves and their culture come alive even more, and I do love the idea of playing a Dalish mage. Either way, I'm definitely stoked for character creation in DA:I!

[CuriousArtemis]

I do agree that the Dalish origin in DAO was probably the least interesting (disclaimer: it was also the first level to load on consoles, so I probably played it more than 200 times....).  The city elf was more interesting and had a stronger sense of conflict (I wonder if it's because it's a bit easier to relate to, and in that sense a bit more "human") which I think set the stage for the City Elf having a greater opportunity at coming across as interesting.

 

That said, it also makes me wonder if some who are very disappointed would end up being pleasantly surprised if the Dalish components were just done better and were considered more interesting?

 

Well, that's speculation and assumption though. The Dalish origin was my favorite. I felt there was incredible conflict; my Warden did NOT want to leave his tribe, and couldn't get over his grief over Tamlen for a long, long time. Did not trust humans either for a long, long time.

[Allan Schumacher]

Well, that's speculation and assumption though. The Dalish origin was my favorite. I felt there was incredible conflict; my Warden did NOT want to leave his tribe, and couldn't get over his grief over Tamlen for a long, long time. Did not trust humans either for a long, long time.

 

Yeah it is.  There's going to be anecdotes on both sides (including my own).  I considered it more musing, but yeah I was just philosophizing on potential reasons why one might prefer one of the factions over the other, based on some of the exclusive content they receive (which is often in the origin stories).

[Malanek]

In origins the Dalish Elf origin was the most boring, not because of the Dalish culture, but because there was no intrigue in it whereas all the other origins had plenty. However I think Dalish is a better choice for another game, how many city elves actually rise to prominence as warriors? I just get the feeling doing another city elf would be much more likely to feel unoriginal given you would want a proper explanation of how they end up as the inquisitor.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In origins the Dalish Elf origin was the most boring, not because of the Dalish culture, but because there was no intrigue in it whereas all the other origins had plenty. However I think Dalish is a better choice for another game, how many city elves actually rise to prominence as warriors? I just get the feeling doing another city elf would be much more likely to feel unoriginal given you would want a proper explanation of how they end up as the inquisitor.

The City Elves are currently siding with Gaspard in the civil war, so many would rise to prominence as warriors.

[Malanek]

The City Elves are currently siding with Gaspard in the civil war, so many would rise to prominence as warriors.

OK, wasn't aware of that. What exactly has happened? Have the alienages all risen up in revolt?

[Allan Schumacher]

how many city elves actually rise to prominence as warriors?

 

The important thing to remember is that for the protagonist, they can be (and often are) the exception to the rule.  Unless it's fundamentally impossible for a city elf to become a warrior, I have no problems with exceptional accomplishments.

[DRTJR]

OK, wasn't aware of that. What exactly has happened? Have the alienages all risen up in revolt?

Why not, Orlais is as much their homeland as the Orlisian Fops. If the next Emperor is indebted to the Elves then they might get some representation among the Nobility or the Chevaliers.

[Rotward]

What does that mean?

 

She doesn't worship the ancient Gods? Doesn't skirt about the forests murdering random people? 

 

I don't worship Thunnir and i don't murder roman soldiers but i still consider myself Germanic.

 

Not being a backwoods skulker doesn't make city elves non elvish.

It means she didn't grow up as a second class citizen, probably. Don't play stupid, or make terrible comparisons, just to be argumentative. 

[Malanek]

The important thing to remember is that for the protagonist, they can be (and often are) the exception to the rule.  Unless it's fundamentally impossible for a city elf to become a warrior, I have no problems with exceptional accomplishments.

The argument was that since it was already done in origins I suspect it would feel less original... it would be the second exception. I wouldn't have a massive issue with it, I just think Dalish is a significantly better fit.

[Malanek]

Why not, Orlais is as much their homeland as the Orlisian Fops. If the next Emperor is indebted to the Elves then they might get some representation among the Nobility or the Chevaliers.

Sorry, I don't follow what you mean here. I was asking a question to what you were responding to, not arguing a point. 

[Master Warder Z_]

It means she didn't grow up as a second class citizen, probably. Don't play stupid, or make terrible comparisons, just to be argumentative. 

 

1. One comparing myself to my ancestors when the Dalish do the same isn't an invalid comparison. Peoples change with the times, that was my primary point with it.
2. Two unless if there is some random elven enclave that exists somewhere in Orlaisian society that isn't beholden to Alienage culture and likewise isn't Dalish i don't see how the perspective could be magically different.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

OK, wasn't aware of that. What exactly has happened? Have the alienages all risen up in revolt?

We don't know much yet. A lot more will be revealed in the next DA book The Masked Empire.

[LobselVith8]

The City Elves are currently siding with Gaspard in the civil war, so many would rise to prominence as warriors.

You think the Alienage elves have sided with Gaspard because of the rumors of an elven rebellion in Asunder that lured Celene out of the capital?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You think the Alienage elves have sided with Gaspard because of the rumors of an elven rebellion in Asunder that lured Celene out of the capital?

Yes. Why? What do you think is happening?

[KC_Prototype]

Confirmed by Gaider, if you are an elf, you are Dalsih.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Confirmed by Gaider, if you are an elf, you are Dalsih.

This is the thread he confirmed it. 

[LobselVith8]

Yes. Why? What do you think is happening?

I'm hoping the elves are standing on their own, and waging their own rebellion. I get the bad feeling they will be marginalized if they're little more than foot soldiers for one of the warring human factions.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm hoping the elves are standing on their own, and waging their own rebellion. I get the bad feeling they will be marginalized if they're little more than foot soldiers for one of the warring human factions.

I think they would have to pick a side, otherwise be targeted by both groups. At least by siding with one who have one less enemy and possibly a grateful ally.

[drake heath]

I'm hoping the elves are standing on their own, and waging their own rebellion. I get the bad feeling they will be marginalized if they're little more than foot soldiers for one of the warring human factions.

Elves can't stand on their own, they ain't got no shoes.

[LPPrince]

Since Dalish Elves are the guaranteed type of elf being played, I wonder how City Elves will treat them.

[CuriousArtemis]

In origins the Dalish Elf origin was the most boring, not because of the Dalish culture, but because there was no intrigue in it whereas all the other origins had plenty. 

 

Gahh this thread moved fast, hope this is still relevant.

 

But man I really have to disagree. For me, there was no intrigue in the City Elf intro. The human was bad, so I killed him (I think; only played it once). My Warden was being married to some girl he had no interest in. He was longing to leave the City; he had a keen interest (overly romantic interest) in the outside world. He was more than happy to trot off with Duncan. *shrugs* So, he went.

[LobselVith8]

I think they would have to pick a side, otherwise be targeted by both groups. At least by siding with one who have one less enemy and possibly a grateful ally.

I think both groups will be too occupied to worry about them, if the elven rebellion is independent of Celene and Gaspard.

[karushna5]

My issue with the Dalish origin, by far the worst is that it seemed so small compared to the others, so little of dalish history got through. It takes for granted you are a rogue, and finally I need coercion to know my own backstory. When I played and realized I would have to wait to befriend Morrigan before I ever find out what happened to my parents, I just got annoyed. i always felt that the extra storylines for dalish were to make up for it being frail with not even the other dalish recognizing you more unlike the other backstories when you "came home" (except human noble who instead got a whole epilogue so it evens out)

That said, very much looking forward to Dalish in Inquisition, I think this time, there will be more justice to their story.