As for Orzammar, sure, you got a pretty decent initial welcome. But the moment some dwarves thought you were serving either Harrowmont or Bhelen, fanatics were trying to kill you. The dalish don't try that until you are pretty much threatening them with death by werewolf.
Actually, resolve the conflict peacefully and there'll be a band of Dalish hunter out to kill you once you reenter Brecilian forest from the camp. It'll take a persuasion option to make the back down.
I don't think there is anything in the Chant that expressly condones the human treatment of Andrastian Elves, Andraste herself did free them.
How people act towards them is another matter.
There was a whole Dalish tribe that tried to kill Hawke, with predictable results... In addition to their collective poles up asses about any human trying to help the, I mean geez get over yourselves and let me help you already.
The Chantry sees non-humans as farther away from the Maker, and condemns those who don't follow the faith as heathens.
Well, there is a reason for that. It's not a good reason, but it's similar reasoning as the dalish would have or any other race.
Chantry tends not to like people who try to destroy them. Be it the imperium, dalish, qunari, or dwarves.
The quartermaster at Ostagar's general treatment of elves says otherwise. So does the common belief among humans that elves are barely fit to be servants. At best.
That's self righteousness and racism without the need for spirituality.
It seems the Chantry at least actualy thinks better of elves than regular humans. Preforming weddings, allowing them to become Templars or Sisters, etc.
According to the Dalish (and the elven Warden), they dislike the Chantry because they claim the Dales was invaded because the elves refused to convert.
I concede that the player isn't in a position to know the truth.
As for the dwarves, they are condemned as heathens regardless of the choice made with Brother Burkel.
I'm happy for that. Dalish are my favorite. I really dislike City Elves, they forgot everything and are willing to accept slavery instead of holding their own traditions and fighting for their freedom.
This decision suggest though that Dalish Elves will play an important role in the story at some point...this is my interpretation.
Evidently almost all of pro-templars in this forum are anti-elves. (Mostly the Dalish)
It says a lot really.
I'm happy for that. Dalish are my favorite. I really dislike City Elves, they forgot everything and are willing to accept slavery instead of holding their own traditions and fighting for their freedom.
This decision suggest though that Dalish Elves will play an important role in the story at some point...this is my interpretation.
Shianni says hi,or they could prefer the Andrastian religion,because that worked so well the last time they tried it right?
Evidently almost all of pro-templars in this forum are anti-elves. (Mostly the Dalish)
It says a lot really.
Not me. 
Although I will admit that does seem to be much more often the case than not.
If we decided to make the elves all be city elves, then this precise argument could be used again except against the Dalish.
Dalish and city elves are different enough that one or the other had to be chosen. In other words, a damned if you do, damned if you don't perspective. The alternative being that no elf option exist at all....
I understand that, but since only class/race combinations are unique, why not make, say, the elf mage a Dalish and the elf rogue a city elf?
I understand that, but since only class/race combinations are unique, why not make, say, the elf mage a Dalish and the elf rogue a city elf?
In order to be meaningful, it'd add a lot more writing.
Like I mention in the other thread regarding adding the player races in general, it's not a situation where it's a simply "oh hey it's a city elf rogue" and every one is happy, just like "oh hey it's an elf" doesn't make everyone happy because the nitty gritty is that there's details about it that that are implied that people still want. It's important to remember that the player races came as a bonus from the time extension, though that the time extension wasn't exclusively about adding player races. So there's costs in terms of complexity, and so forth, that have to be considered.
I don't think anyone here that is sad about the lack of authentic City Elf backgrounds would be satisfied if they had mostly human or dalish elf dialogue responses for the entirety of the game.
At least that's the way I see it.
I think i'm gonna do a full elf playthrough for the first time ever.
AND I'M PULLING THE RACE CARD EVERY CHANCE I GET!
What? You think I can't be the Inquisitor because i'm an elf? You got a problem with elves buddy? Huh? You got something against MAH PEEPULZ?!
I approve. I liked both the dalish and the city elves, and I would have been fine with whichever BW chose.
I'm assuming the elven mage will be a keeper or first, then.
Edit: And pulling the race card was one of the most fun parts about playing an elf. I also intend to do it whenever I get the chance.
In order to be meaningful, it'd add a lot more writing.
Like I mention in the other thread regarding adding the player races in general, it's not a situation where it's a simply "oh hey it's a city elf rogue" and every one is happy, just like "oh hey it's an elf" doesn't make everyone happy because the nitty gritty is that there's details about it that that are implied that people still want. It's important to remember that the player races came as a bonus from the time extension, though that the time extension wasn't exclusively about adding player races. So there's costs in terms of complexity, and so forth, that have to be considered.
I don't think anyone here that is sad about the lack of authentic City Elf backgrounds would be satisfied if they had mostly human or dalish elf dialogue responses for the entirety of the game.
At least that's the way I see it.
I see. A resources problem again. Well, I still regret the absence of a City Elf option, but you're right, it wouldn't satisfy if it wasn't meaningfully different from the Dalish option, and it's better not to have the option at all rather than a token option with little content of its own. Also, while personally I would've preferred a city elf option to a Dalish, as a game designer I probably would've selected the Dalish as well, because there's less overlap with the human option and you'll end up having a wider range of aspects of the world represented in character options.
Quick question: does this mean that we will be able to pick the class we want, but not the background? Or vice versa? Because this seems horribly restrictive.
The only way to pick background is to pick race. All PCs of the same race has the same background (more or less).
I think human background is different. I mean there is no way the could mix the mage background with rouge/warrior, not logically and properly anyway.
I think human background is different. I mean there is no way the could mix the mage background with rouge/warrior, not logically and properly anyway.
They did it in DA2.
Not necessarily. The idea is that every race/class combination has a defined background. That all elf options have a Dalish background gives them some common elements, but it does not mean the backgrounds are "more or less the same", just as the fact that all qunari options have a Vashoth background means that. The equivalent for the human options would be that all human characters have a culturally Andrastean background, i.e. they come from Orlais, Ferelden, Nevarra or Antiva. I admit I would find that disappointing since I hoped for a Tevinter background for the human mage, but I guess that's too controversial... and it still doesn't mean that all human backgrounds are more or less the same. There is enough possible variety here.The only way to pick background is to pick race. All PCs of the same race has the same background (more or less).
They did it in DA2.
And for that reason Hawke was dull and a nobody at the beginning. A peasant is not going to become the inquisitor.
And for that reason Hawke was dull and a nobody at the beginning. A peasant is not going to become the inquisitor.
Hawke was actually a then-landless noble at the beginning. Just have the human background start out already in the Act 2 living situation.
Hawke was actually a then-landless noble at the beginning. Just have the human background start out already in the Act 2 living situation.
But it was tasteless still. I'm going to play Dalish elf myself but Human really shouldn't have 1 background. In human society a mage and mundane does not fit in one background. Or maybe this tevelyan or whatever background is brilliantly created for this very purpose. Even so there is going to be difference between mage and rouge/warrior even if not a whole background difference.
I'm curious as to whether as a Dalish elf, we will only have the choice to believe in the Creators or no religion at all.
Personally, I'd like to role play as an Andrastian, and I wanted to be an elf.
I know it's not a big deal, but I'm eager to know.
I still want to play as an elf, but I want to reject the Dalish culture.
I'm curious as to whether as a Dalish elf, we will only have the choice to believe in the Creators or no religion at all.
Personally, I'd like to role play as an Andrastian, and I wanted to be an elf.
I know it's not a big deal, but I'm eager to know.
I still want to play as an elf, but I want to reject the Dalish culture.
I don't think its actually possible. You could not reject any background in DAO except the circle which is another matter. Besides there is a possibility of being a keeper or the first or something in case of being a mage, which makes you pure Dalish.
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