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[Master Warder Z_]

Here:http://dragonage.wik...e_Masked_Empire

 

And people claim Orlais isn't an equal rights employer!

 

Elven Spymaster!

 

There you have it.

[TK514]

Tue summary hinted at both CE and dalish having a role in TME and the fate of Orlais.

Hmm, that last line does make it ambiguous. Not really my preference, as I said, but we'll have to see.

[LobselVith8]

Here:http://dragonage.wik...e_Masked_Empire

Good eye.

As the summary reads, "But in the end, the elves who hide in the forests or starve in the Alienages may decide the fate of the masked empire."

That line does seem to suggest the Dalish will also play a role in the upcoming novel, along with their brethren in the Alienages. If that's true, I'm hoping it's also an opportunity to learn more about the People.

[Master Warder Z_]

Good eye.

As the summary reads, "But in the end, the elves who hide in the forests or starve in the Alienages may decide the fate of the masked empire."

That line does seem to suggest the Dalish will also play a role in the upcoming novel, along with their brethren in the Alienages. If that's true, I'm hoping it's also an opportunity to learn more about the People.

 

I'm hoping that the elves finally had the sense to seize an opportunity to be valuable to the people who can actually improve their lives.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I'm hoping that the elves finally had the sense to seize an opportunity to be valuable to the people who can actually improve their lives.

I doubt that will happen, the dalish are pretty much the quarians of DA seeing that they don't learn from their mistakes, just repeat them.

[Master Warder Z_]

I doubt that will happen, the dalish are pretty much the quarians of DA seeing that they don't learn from their mistakes, just repeat them.

 

I was actually speaking of the common speculation of the City Elves fighting under Gaspard.

 

The Dalish can perish with their dead end ideology and beliefs.

[mrpoultry]

In Origins you could be city elves twice, one as a warrior/rogue and one as a mage. Since you could only play a Dalish elf once, this kinda balances it out. I don't have an issue with it. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I've often noticed that in threads that discuss elves. It's not surprising since the Dalish are an enemy of the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars.

The Dalish condemn the Chantry and the templars over starting the war with the Dales, the Chantry made the faith of the elven pantheon illegal, templars hunt down clans, mages are free in the clans, and the Dalish don't capitulate to human rule or the religious rhetoric of the Chantry.

The two are enemies. I'm curious to see how that's handled in Inquisition, with the inclusion of Seeker Cassandra, and possibly Cullen, especially given his heathen rhetoric and his view on mages.

 

It's not as if either side as a fundamental objection to ever having dealings with the other. Ariane still got a reasonable welcome from the templars when she traveled to Kinloch Hold, even without a Dalish Warden accompanying her.

[DRTJR]

I wish I could have been a City Elf, but at least I'll have a sexy accent. 

[Felya87]

I only hope we get some way to disagree with the Dalish ways. I'm fine with being one, even if I still prefer the City Elf, but if is not possible...fine. but I'd like to have the chance to be the elven equivalent of a Qunari Tal Vashot.

after all, in Origins there where ways to say if you didn't believed in the Maker (or in the Stone if you where a Dwarf, if I remember correctly) don't know if Dalish had the same chance, since I never played a lot the Dalish origin. (I mostly create Dalish when playng mods  )

 

I hope there are more tatoo. tats are cool, but in Origns where so few...and even less were attractive (at least for me)

[LobselVith8]

I'm hoping that the elves finally had the sense to seize an opportunity to be valuable to the people who can actually improve their lives.

 

The Dalish proved their worth time and again, from Iloren and his people fighting darkspawn in the Anderfels during the Second Blight to the clans fighting the darkspawn during the Fifth Blight when The Warden petitions them for aid.

[General TSAR]

Elves are tree-hugging surrender mutants anyway, so it fits.

 

Though not being able to play as a city elf is a disappointment. 

 

 

 the clans fighting the darkspawn during the Fifth Blight when The Warden petitions them for aid.

Werewolves > Tree hugging surrender mutants.

 

[LobselVith8]

I doubt that will happen, the dalish are pretty much the quarians of DA seeing that they don't learn from their mistakes, just repeat them.

 

I don't see the refusal of the Dalish to surrender their religion, their culture, or their mages to live out lives of servitude to humanity as a mistake.

[Divine Justinia V]

So, the elf-haters of the forums only really hate the Dalish Elves and not city?

[General TSAR]

I hate them all equally. 

[Lorien19]

I hate them all equally. 

Yet,here you are...

[Heimdall]

So, the elf-haters of the forums only really hate the Dalish Elves and not city?

Their stubborn insistence on isolationism and racial superiority tends to rub people the wrong way.

[LobselVith8]

It's not as if either side as a fundamental objection to ever having dealings with the other. Ariane still got a reasonable welcome from the templars when she traveled to Kinloch Hold, even without a Dalish Warden accompanying her.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible, but the two are (more often than not) in conflict with one another. As per your example, Ariane is in the company of the Warden-Commander, but she defeated at least one templar to protect Keeper Solan and her clan some time before the events of "Witch Hunt" to protect her clan.

 

Also, Ariane points out the initial hostility that she receives from the templar when arriving at Kinloch Hold because she's Dalish (which the Warden-Commander can even comment on).

[TK514]

So, the elf-haters of the forums only really hate the Dalish Elves and not city?

Well, the idea is that the City Elves did everything they were asked, and got shafted, so that's a clear injustice in need of correcting.

The Dalish did everything wrong, and are at least partially responsible for their own current state of affairs and refuse to accept any responsibility, instead blaming others entirely. Further, they refuse to adapt to modern times, and expect, or the pro-Dalish posters seem to, everyone else to bend over backwards to accommodate them. That's not an injustice in need of correcting, it's a whiny entitled culture without a leg to stand on.

[General TSAR]

Yet,here you are...

I like watching fanboys go nuts.

 

 or the pro-Dalish posters seem to, everyone else to bend over backwards to accommodate them. That's not an injustice in need of correcting, it's a whiny entitled culture without a leg to stand on.

What he said.

 

 

[LobselVith8]

Their stubborn insistence on isolationism and racial superiority tends to rub people the wrong way.

 

The Dalish stay away from human settlements where their religion is criminalized, where templars would try to capture or kill their mages (and anyone standing in their way), and where they can receive threats of violence simply for following the Creators (like the Sabrae clan did). I guess refusing to bend knee to humanity has clearly rubbed some people the wrong way.

[Lorien19]

Their stubborn insistence on isolationism and racial superiority tends to rub people the wrong way.

Unlike the humans, who treat the elven citizens with utter respect as equal members of their society...Seriously though, there's no race in The DAI universe without having a racial superiority mindset.

[LobselVith8]

Well, the idea is that the City Elves did everything they were asked, and got shafted, so that's a clear injustice in need of correcting.

The Dalish did everything wrong, and are at least partially responsible for their own current state of affairs and refuse to accept any responsibility, instead blaming others entirely. Further, they refuse to adapt to modern times, and expect, or the pro-Dalish posters seem to, everyone else to bend over backwards to accommodate them. That's not an injustice in need of correcting, it's a whiny entitled culture without a leg to stand on.

 

The hostile perception held by the Dalish and the Alienage elves for each other has to do with the fact that the elves who submitted to human rule had to give up pretty much everything that was part of their culture (with only a few exceptions), including their religion.

 

Also, the humans blame the Dalish for starting the war, and the Dalish blame the humans for starting the war; no one knows what the truth actually is, or even if a little bit of both accounts. I also don't think the Dalish need to acquiesce to human demands to surrender their cultural identity and capitulate to the Chantry as a means of "adapting" to modern times.

[TK514]

Also, the humans blame the Dalish for starting the war, and the Dalish blame the humans for starting the war; no one knows what the truth actually is, or even if a little bit of both accounts. I also don't think the Dalish need to acquiesce to human demands to surrender their cultural identity and capitulate to the Chantry as a means of "adapting" to modern times.

Who said anything about surrendering their identity or capitulating to the Chantry. You're the only one who ever brings that up, and act as if it were the only option when dealing with humanity.

[Lorien19]

Who said anything about surrendering their identity or capitulating to the Chantry. You're the only one who ever brings that up, and act as if it were the only option when dealing with humanity.

If I recall correctly the dealings we had with the Dalish as humans in Both DA games, were not nearly as unpleasant as some people make them out to be...