The Avvar invasion burned the bannorn to the ground and caused a massive famine in Ferelden during the middle of the Qunari Wars. I don't think the Dalish elves have ever managed to cause that level of destruction.
I meant a current threat, they don't seem to be banging on the gates
I think his point is that since the Dalish make a point of avoiding the templars as it is, why would they trying to pick land in the center of Chantry territory.
I think all of us will have to wait for the Masked Empire to come out to find out, unless we're going to be speculating as to the reasons why they might be trying to overthrow the Orlesian forces controlling the Dales.
I enjoyed the City elf Origin, but if elves can only have 1 origin then Dalish would make more sense since it's more diverse. In a way city elf is really just a castless human.
That's summed up all my reason for loving a Dalish Inquisitor, and we couldn't play a Dalish mage in DAO 
It will always be personal pref but for me, I'm really happy about it ^^
I don't think it's a fair comparison. Ariane doesn't go alone. By the time of Witch Hunt, the Warden can be the Hero of Ferelden and/or the Arl of Amaranthine. In his eyes, that's more than enough. I mean, if you're a Dalish Warden, you even have the option to remind him that Ariane is not the only Dalish in the tower. That little scene actually explained a lot: many people in Ferelden will never realize that the Warden is not just an elf, but a Dalish elf.
And you just bring one elf. In DA:O you bring a full armed party to a stressed clan recently attacked by werewolves. A better example would be to compare Ariane's reception with the Warden to the party's reception in the Dalish camp with a Dalish Warden. Logically, the elves were much more understanding and friendly than with a different Warden.
OK but my main point still stands. There are mitigating factors in both cases but the templars weren't offended at the notion of letting a Dalish enter the tower. Hedly wasn't even really all that concerned about her being there, even though she expected him to be. He didn't let her in through gritted teeth because he had to, he didn't really care. I mean by contrast the Mage Boon was something that the templars did object to. Greagoir initially refused but acquiesced to Anora or Alistiar. Hedley, was basically like "You've got a Dalish? Fine whatever."
OK but my main point still stands. There are mitigating factors in both cases but the templars weren't offended at the notion of letting a Dalish enter the tower. Hedly wasn't even really all that concerned about her being there, even though she expected him to be. He didn't let her in through gritted teeth because he had to, he didn't really care. I mean by contrast the Mage Boon was something that the templars did object to. Greagoir initially refused but acquiesced to Anora or Alistiar. Hedley, was basically like "You've got a Dalish? Fine whatever."
That's true and it's understandable. Templars are more worried about mages. In Ferelden they don't seem to have many problems with Chasind... except when they send Templars to hunt their mages. And although the Exalted March against the Dales is the most famous one, several more were directed against Tevinter. The Chantry is more afraid of mages than of heathens.
That means that the main problem any possible elven nation would have would be their mages. Maybe the Chantry can tolerate a heathen nation, since they probably think they will be able to convert them peacefully. But a nation with a magical ruling class? Not so much.
That's true and it's understandable. Templars are more worried about mages. In Ferelden they don't seem to have many problems with Chasind... except when they send Templars to hunt their mages. And although the Exalted March against the Dales is the most famous one, several more were directed against Tevinter. The Chantry is more afraid of mages than of heathens.
That means that the main problem any possible elven nation would have would be their mages. Maybe the Chantry can tolerate a heathen nation, since they probably think they will be able to convert them peacefully. But a nation with a magical ruling class? Not so much.
It also may be that he wasn't concerned because he isn't Knight-Commander. Gregoire is apparently away on business and he was seeing to the day-to-day running of a Circle that may be rebuilding from a near-annulment.
But it's not like he explicitly trusts her and the Warden either. They are restricted to the first floor, and in full sight of everyone.
But that restriction is universally applied, regardless of who the Warden is. It's not a Dalish restriction, it's an 'everyone that doesn't live here' restriction, and may have as much to do with rebuilding and construction, since the tower is trashed no matter what you choose, as not trusting people on the upper floors.It also may be that he wasn't concerned because he isn't Knight-Commander. Gregoire is apparently away on business and he was seeing to the day-to-day running of a Circle that may be rebuilding from a near-annulment.
But it's not like he explicitly trusts her and the Warden either. They are restricted to the first floor, and in full sight of everyone.
That means that the main problem any possible elven nation would have would be their mages. Maybe the Chantry can tolerate a heathen nation, since they probably think they will be able to convert them peacefully. But a nation with a magical ruling class? Not so much.
They are tolerating heathen nations in the form of the Qunari and the Dwarves, and they are tolerating a mage ruled nation in the form of Tevinter, and partially Rivain.
It also may be that he wasn't concerned because he isn't Knight-Commander. Gregoire is apparently away on business and he was seeing to the day-to-day running of a Circle that may be rebuilding from a near-annulment.
But it's not like he explicitly trusts her and the Warden either. They are restricted to the first floor, and in full sight of everyone.
Those are the rules. No matter how much a Templar trusts another, the same rules would apply, and that person would be restricted to the first floor.
The Dalish stay away from human settlements where their religion is criminalized, where templars would try to capture or kill their mages (and anyone standing in their way), and where they can receive threats of violence simply for following the Creators (like the Sabrae clan did). I guess refusing to bend knee to humanity has clearly rubbed some people the wrong way.
Or it could be their arrogance,victim complex and how they treat non-Dalish Elves..
You've all done a fantastic job illustrating my point. The Chasind have chosen an out of the way spot that most people don't care about, keep to themselves, and don't rub their differences in hostile neighbors faces with the expectation of no retaliation. They have found a way to peacefully trade with a nation that, according to Lobsel, should be cutting down the forest to get at them since their religion is illegal and they have Mages, and the worst they have to deal with is the occasional Templar patrol or missionary they have to kill and dump in a bog.
So why can't the Dalish do the same thing? The Kokari Wilds are hardly the last unexplored and unexploited region in the world, and nothing keeps them tied to the continent. If they were really interested in finding a future for their people, they would be exploring all options instead of clinging to a past that died 700 years ago.
The Chasind being human helps a lot there, and apparently they're willing to completely knuckle under to Andrastian domination and live on crappy land to avoid being crushed. The Dalish daring to move around and hope to reestablish their own nation apparently makes them targets.
The Chasind being human helps a lot there, and apparently they're willing to completely knuckle under to Andrastian domination and live on crappy land to avoid being crushed. The Dalish daring to move around and hope to reestablish their own nation apparently makes them targets.
Or it could be their arrogance,victim complex and how they treat non-Dalish Elves..
If I remember correctly the Dalish accept city elves who fled from the alienages in their clans(Paul).The only one I've seen being openly rude to them was Velanna but she was bitchy anyway.
You've all done a fantastic job illustrating my point. The Chasind have chosen an out of the way spot that most people don't care about, keep to themselves, and don't rub their differences in hostile neighbors faces with the expectation of no retaliation. They have found a way to peacefully trade with a nation that, according to Lobsel, should be cutting down the forest to get at them since their religion is illegal and they have Mages, and the worst they have to deal with is the occasional Templar patrol or missionary they have to kill and dump in a bog.
So why can't the Dalish do the same thing? The Kokari Wilds are hardly the last unexplored and unexploited region in the world, and nothing keeps them tied to the continent. If they were really interested in finding a future for their people, they would be exploring all options instead of clinging to a past that died 700 years ago.
I will repeat the Dalish population is far larger than the Chasind one,If all the clans settled in one area they could form a small nation.Small but still a nation,and considering their past interaction with the humans,they wont be easily tolerated or ignored by the Chantry.The will be viewed as a threat sooner or later like it happened with the qunari.
What makes it 'crappy land'? Because you don't like it? It is undeveloped, certainly, but only because the Chasind have no need or desire to develop it.
It's freezing, infested by monsters, has no capacity to support agriculture, and the Chasind population has to be tiny to be able to subsist on it (population booms with the Chasind in the past tended to lead to wars with Ferelden).
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Edit:I mean seriously?...Look At the topic tittle...
Interesting claim, can you back it up? We know all the clans can come together for their ten year meet and greet without displacing a nation's worth of people, so I'm interested to know where the rest of this small nation's worth of population mass is hiding out.I will repeat the Dalish population is far larger than the Chasind one,If all the clans settled in one area they could form a small nation.Small but still a nation,and considering their past interaction with the humans,they wont be easily tolerated or ignored by the Chantry.The will be viewed as a threat sooner or later like it happened with the qunari.
It's freezing, infested by monsters, has no capacity to support agriculture, and the Chasind population has to be tiny to be able to subsist on it (population booms with the Chasind in the past tended to lead to wars with Ferelden).
I think all of us will have to wait for the Masked Empire to come out to find out, unless we're going to be speculating as to the reasons why they might be trying to overthrow the Orlesian forces controlling the Dales.
Interesting claim, can you back it up? We know all the clans can come together for their ten year meet and greet without displacing a nation's worth of people, so I'm interested to know where the rest of this small nation's worth of population mass is hiding out.
I'm not saying every clan is the 20 odd people we tend to see in-game, because that's just as absurd as suggesting only 50 people lived in Denerim or there were only Elthina and a couple of Templars in the Chantry. But I would estimate more than 200-300 on average due to their nomadic lifestyle and the difficulty of providing food for a population much larger than that by living off what they can hunt and forage. So unless you're suggesting there are multiple thousands of clans spread across Thedas, a claim I will have difficulty accepting without proof, and would find vaguely ridiculous even with said proof, then you've got maybe a small City-state worth of Dalish wandering around, and I think that's being generous.
Recall, now that a significant portion of the population of the Dales, if not most of them outright, decided that the Alienages were preferable to exile, and the Dalish have not been living a lifestyle since that would have allowed them to recoup those numbers.
I think they could lose themselves just fine in a remote part of the world.
You said yourself we can't know for sure their numbers,but considering the fact that the clans are spread throughout every corner of Thedas it still makes their number considerably larger in comparison with the Chasind,who only happen to inhabit a particular area in a particular country.A city state is a more accurate term but it's still enough to stir tensions with the chantry.Just take the events of Kirkwall as an example,and the qunari group was far smaller than a possible Dalish city state.But I must admit though the more I consider it the more it occurs to me that the tensions occur due to the Dalish being a different race,and not by simply having a larger population than the Chasind.
While I'm reasonably sure this most is intended to mostly be silly/humorous and tongue in cheek, it's also not really facilitating any sort of conversation and runs the risk of derailing the thread.
The Chasind migrated to the Kocari wilds before there was even a Tevinter Imperium much less a Chantry. It's a home they've chosen to live in for 25 centuries. It can't be that crappy.
The Chasind migrated to the Kocari wilds before there was even a Tevinter Imperium much less a Chantry. It's a home they've chosen to live in for 25 centuries. It can't be that crappy.
I wouldn't call it crappy,but rather hostile still this rarely stops someone from inhabiting a place.Still,the Korcari wilds are full of unpleasant surprises for a random guy who decides to visit them.
I wonder how the environment would influence the chasinds magic or especially the Avvars?I wouldn't call it crappy,but rather hostile still this rarely stops someone from inhabiting a place.Still,the Korcari wilds are full of unpleasant surprises for a random guy who decides to visit them.
I wonder how the environment would influence the chasinds magic or especially the Avvars?
Would they have brutal ice spells? The ability to create a flame that burns well even in the cold? Or would their magic be to enhance their physical prowess. I sort of picture the Skaal from the elder scrolls series when I think of these two groups.
I believe,like the Dalish they may have shape-shifting abilities as well.They must be extremely useful in the wildreness. 
Morrighan is a decent example of a chasind mage though.I always got a wildling/crannogmen vibe from them,but the Skaal/Nord comparison is a good one as well.
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