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[Steelcan]

It is a long shot, regrettably. But bringing back the elves as a power significant enough to rival the humans will be a lot trickier otherwise.

Its also probably never going to happen

[Xilizhra]

Its also probably never going to happen

What would you do if it did, though?

[Steelcan]

What would you do if it did, though?

 

Depends, I don't think it could ever really happen so I'm not overly concerned

[Xilizhra]

Depends, I don't think it could ever really happen so I'm not overly concerned

Depends on what?

[Steelcan]

Depends on what?

 

On the circumstances that brought it about, if its some bull like "the veil tears killed lots of humans but not elves because reasons"  I would not be happy with that reasoning.

 

However if its another large scale war with the qunari that is more understandable

[BlueMagitek]

Orlais was created in a series of Exalted Marches, conquests intended by Drakon to establish an empire under the worship of the Maker. Emperor Drakon's issues with the neighboring Dales prevented the conquest of the Free Marches.

Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with what I was discussing. Nothing at all.

 

It does have everything to do with how good of an ally the elves proved themselves to be to all non-Darkspawn. 

[LobselVith8]

It does have everything to do with how good of an ally the elves proved themselves to be to all non-Darkspawn.

You could use that as an excuse for why the elves didn't help a neighboring enemy who was conquering and converting virtually all of the neighboring states.

There are flaws with humans and elves, but there's simply no denying the flaws go both ways. Perhaps it's best to move this discussion to new ground.

[BlueMagitek]

You could use that as an excuse for why the elves didn't help a neighboring enemy who was conquering and converting virtually all of the neighboring states.

There are flaws with humans and elves, but there's simply no denying the flaws go both ways. Perhaps it's best to move this discussion to new ground.

Well the Dalish have never been that great at foresight; after all, letting your enemy repopulate itself on the women of your enemies is a negative idea, hence why drastic measures are taken against Tyranids.

 

The point I was trying to make is that, unlike Orlais, the Dales received neither commendation nor conversion from the Grey Wardens (the organization that's dedicated to fighting darkspawn).  Otherwise the Grey Wardens would have taken it upon themselves to help spread the idea of the Creators, rather than the Chant of Light. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Was the origin of broodmothers even known at that time?

[BlueMagitek]

Was the origin of broodmothers even known at that time?

Most likely not.

[dragonflight288]

Most likely not.

 

I actually think I saw a post by a dev say that the Grey Wardens knew of the existence of brood mothers, but the Hero of Ferelden was the one who discovered where they actually came from. No one knew before the Hero of Ferelden how a Broodmother was made. 

 

I'm going to have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was either Laidlaw or Gaider.

[LobselVith8]

The point I was trying to make is that, unlike Orlais, the Dales received neither commendation nor conversion from the Grey Wardens (the organization that's dedicated to fighting darkspawn). Otherwise the Grey Wardens would have taken it upon themselves to help spread the idea of the Creators, rather than the Chant of Light.

Why would the Dalish want to convert humanity to the Creators? Unlike the Chantry, the Dalish aren't looking to convert every single person in existence to their religion. I can just picture my Dalish Inquisitor just shaking his head if there's someone as annoyingly condescending and smug as Brother Burkel talking about imposing his Andrastian religion on the masses.

[dragonflight288]

Why would the Dalish want to convert humanity to the Creators? Unlike the Chantry, the Dalish aren't looking to convert every single person in existence to their religion. I can just picture my Dalish Inquisitor just shaking his head if there's someone as annoyingly condescending and smug as Brother Burkel talking about imposing his Andrastian religion on the masses.

 

At most, the Dalish would probably want to preach the creators to the City Elves and go back to minding their own dang business. Part of their culture is restoring their lost immortality so they want to limit contact with humans. Converting humans seems counterproductive to that goal. 

[renfrees]

As much as i want Elves to have their own land and identity as an independent nation, i don't see it happening with the current ways of the Dalish. And i don't see City Elves strong enough to achieve it on their own.

[Iron Fist]

Hopefully, the Dalish Inquisitor can interact with city elves.

[dragonflight288]

As much as i want Elves to have their own land and identity as an independent nation, i don't see it happening with the current ways of the Dalish. And i don't see City Elves strong enough to achieve it on their own.

 

But it may be possible now with the Dalish gathering and the city elves rebelling throughout Orlais WHILE the Chantry is falling to pieces AND there's an Orlesian civil war. 

 

No one is in any position to enforce anything at present. The world is falling into chaos, and neither the Chantry nor Orlais is in any position to force elves to do anything. 

[LobselVith8]

Hopefully, the Dalish Inquisitor can interact with city elves.

The developers have indicated our race will make it easier to interact with others of the same race, and cited elves as one example. I imagine the Dalish Inquisitor will be meeting his (or her) city counterparts in the narrative.

[Divine Justinia V]

The developers have indicated our race will make it easier to interact with others of the same race, and cited elves as one example. I imagine the Dalish Inquisitor will be meeting his (or her) city counterparts in the narrative.

 

That's good to hear and it makes me very happy City elves and the Dalish should join forces.

[renfrees]

That's good to hear and it makes me very happy City elves and the Dalish should join forces.

Well, unless the Dalish are willing to abandon their wandering routes, stand and fight alongside their City brethren instead of running, Elvhen homeland isn't going to happen.

 

"There comes a time when you must stop running..."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Good, I didn't want my My Elf PC to be stuck with annoying city folks who would try to oppress him left and right.

You're an elf. Regardless of being City or Dalish, people will try to oppress you left and right.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well, unless the Dalish are willing to abandon their wandering routes, stand and fight alongside their City brethren instead of running, Elvhen homeland isn't going to happen.

 

"There comes a time when you must stop running..."

 

I don't expect it to anytime soon tbh, so I'll take city elves and Dalish getting along and being extra helpful in Inquisition with opened arms

[GVulture]

Personally, just happy that elves are in the game at all. If someone wants to headcanon their Inquisitor as a city elf turned Dalish, I don't see what would stop them. I certainly ran through my Surana PT as a Dalish turned Circle Mage.

That the devs limited it to one doesn't bother me, but personally, I think of the two the Dalish will provide a more interesting... feedback, for the lack of a better term, from NPCs? Especially if/when the Inquisitor ever travels or deals with the Dalish.

[Jack Druthers]

I agree with Divine Justinia V.  The Inquisitor might have a job on their hands to do likewise with the other races.  To ask people to forget divides that have have gone on for generations for the sake of survival seems like a good start, idealistic as it may be.  To brush aside nationality, status, caste etc.,  and unite with a common goal in mind is a big ask.  Too many agendas are involved to make this easy. 

[renfrees]

I don't expect it to anytime soon tbh, so I'll take city elves and Dalish getting along and being extra helpful in Inquisition with opened arms

And thats what makes me very sad and somewhat resentful towards the Dalish, compared to City elves.

[Divine Justinia V]

And thats what makes me very sad and somewhat resentful towards the Dalish, compared to City elves.

 

Yeah, I agree. It also saddens me that some city elves don't even believe that the Dalish even exist. (as seen in the da:o city elf origin)