Well, unless the Dalish are willing to abandon their wandering routes, stand and fight alongside their City brethren instead of running, Elvhen homeland isn't going to happen.
"There comes a time when you must stop running..."
I think more than a few clans would be willing to fight for the opportunity to give the Elvhen their own kingdom. I'd love for the Dalish Inquisitor to have the opportunity to fight for the cause, to lead his people to victory.
Let's plot the Global Elvhen Rebellion! For the People and to the Void with the tears, let the puny humans deal with them, it's their fault the Veil was torn in the first place.
As funny as it is, it'd be my first goal as Inquisitor after the tears - to give Elves their homeland. Without the superiority of the Dalish, mind you.
Personally, just happy that elves are in the game at all. If someone wants to headcanon their Inquisitor as a city elf turned Dalish, I don't see what would stop them. I certainly ran through my Surana PT as a Dalish turned Circle Mage.
That the devs limited it to one doesn't bother me, but personally, I think of the two the Dalish will provide a more interesting... feedback, for the lack of a better term, from NPCs? Especially if/when the Inquisitor ever travels or deals with the Dalish.
But what if someone didn't want to play as a Dalish period?
It's a long shot, but I still hope that the Veil tears kill so many humans that the elven population will be significantly closer to numerical parity with them.
What would you do if it did, though?
But what if someone didn't want to play as a Dalish period?
Play a different race?
Play a different race?
Rust in a medieval setting.
So a bunch of armed and armoured elitists bullying a bunch of naked people with rocks?
...wait, I can think of several things meeting that description throughout Thedas. Never mind.
I know that's what I'll be doing now unless there's a "renounce the dalish" option in playing an elf.
If the writing is anything like it was in Origins, I am sure that you can play an angsty self-hating Dalish just like you could play a "Humans aren't so bad" and a "DIRTY SHEM!" City Elf.
Play a different race?
I'm going to. But the fact I can't play an elf, my favorite race so far and maybe still depending on how Vashoth are presented, because they are all Dalish or even a headcanoned City Elf who ran away to the Dalish bugs me since I want to be an elf but not a Dalish Elf.
Why would the Dalish want to convert humanity to the Creators? Unlike the Chantry, the Dalish aren't looking to convert every single person in existence to their religion. I can just picture my Dalish Inquisitor just shaking his head if there's someone as annoyingly condescending and smug as Brother Burkel talking about imposing his Andrastian religion on the masses.
Actually, I could see this happening. Given enough of a elven presence, I do think they'll start exerting a pressure to convert humans to following the Creator's. They do expect elves to convert to the Creators after all. The step to start expecting humans to "realise the truth" isn't a long one. It's just that they've never been in a position to impose their faith on anyone else.
It'll be done through a saturation of information (ie: hearing of the elven worldview at every turn), social stimulus (taxes, protection, social inclusivity) and if really unlucky: by the sword.
The only way this will not happen, is to forcibly ensure there are no humans close enough to warrant influence over them.
IIt'll be Day Z or Rust in a medieval setting. Or possibly a closer to home look at what it was like to live in europe during the dark age.
Interestingly enough... as late as the 7th century there were still many people in western Europe who thought they lived in the western roman empire, despite that it had collapsed 200 years prior. So it'd be more like your former examples.
I'm going to. But the fact I can't play an elf, my favorite race so far and maybe still depending on how Vashoth are presented, because they are all Dalish or even a headcanoned City Elf who ran away to the Dalish bugs me since I want to be an elf but not a Dalish Elf.
If they're your favorite race, why would it matter if you were a City Elf or not? It certainly didn't deter my decision to play an elf first.
I will bet dollars to donuts that the reason they went with a Dalish was so they wouldn't have to write any apostate City Elf mage backstory.
I'm going to. But the fact I can't play an elf, my favorite race so far and maybe still depending on how Vashoth are presented, because they are all Dalish or even a headcanoned City Elf who ran away to the Dalish bugs me since I want to be an elf but not a Dalish Elf.
If memory serves, aren't the City Elves generally caught up in some uprising? Maybe your City Elf just didn't want to get caught up in things and left the carnage, only to run across the Dalish... and who should say no to a hot meal, fresh clothes, and free self-defence training?
If they're your favorite race, why would it matter if you were a City Elf or not? It certainly didn't deter my decision to play an elf first.
I will bet dollars to donuts that the reason they went with a Dalish was so they wouldn't have to write any apostate City Elf mage backstory.
If memory serves, aren't the City Elves generally caught up in some uprising? Maybe your City Elf just didn't want to get caught up in things and left the carnage, only to run across the Dalish... and who should say no to a hot meal, fresh clothes, and free self-defence training?
Nope. Cut for resources, a casualty of the addition of the qunari as a race's blowback.
Alan Schumacher said they weren't cut, they were never added.
Alan Schumacher said they weren't cut, they were never added.
If they're your favorite race, why would it matter if you were a City Elf or not? It certainly didn't deter my decision to play an elf first.
I will bet dollars to donuts that the reason they went with a Dalish was so they wouldn't have to write any apostate City Elf mage backstory.
Because I don't really like playing as a Dalish. Nothing against the faction, but it is not something I enjoy roleplaying as.
If memory serves, aren't the City Elves generally caught up in some uprising? Maybe your City Elf just didn't want to get caught up in things and left the carnage, only to run across the Dalish... and who should say no to a hot meal, fresh clothes, and free self-defence training?
Yes, they seem to be supporting Gaspard in the Orlesian Civil War. And with the last name being strongly Dalish, I doubt they'll have it as "You were a City Elf who ran away".
It is a long shot, regrettably. But bringing back the elves as a power significant enough to rival the humans will be a lot trickier otherwise.
I agree. Plus, I doubt the backgrounds will be vague.Because I don't really like playing as a Dalish. Nothing against the faction, but it is not something I enjoy roleplaying as.
Yes, they seem to be supporting Gaspard in the Orlesian Civil War. And with the last name being strongly Dalish, I doubt they'll have it as "You were a City Elf who ran away".
That's assuming that the devs want to bring back the elves in a position of power to rival humans, which we don't know it'd happen even if they did create an elven state in DAI. Furthermore, the elves didn't have the power to rival the humans even during the Dales (they could somehow fight against one nation). And Let's not forget that for building a powerful nation you need years (if not decades).
I just don't see Bioware half-destroying the human to make the elves more powerful. As much as someone might dislike it, the harsh truth is that if elves and humans don't learn to cooperate, the elves will get screwed again.
I agree. Plus, I doubt the backgrounds will be vague.
Enlighten me if I'm wrong, Orlais lost the initial war against Dales and was able to strike back with exalted marches. Though I think most Mages and Templars joining that march came from Orlais itself however they had more help from other nations when the attack Dales. But my point is Dales was as strong as one human nation right? With chantry gone and Thedas not united Elves could fight one nation and may even win.
WoT stated that the Orlesian fough alone all the war (well, not completely. The EM made templars and mages fight).Enlighten me if I'm wrong, Orlais lost the initial war against Dales and was able to strike back with exalted marches. Though I think most Mages and Templars joining that march came from Orlais itself however they had more help from other nations when the attack Dales. But my point is Dales was as strong as one human nation right? With chantry gone and Thedas not united Elves could fight one nation and may even win.
Orlais was losing the war. The Divine called for an Exalted March as the elves were marching on Val Royeuax. The mages, templars and faithful who answered the call to arms presumably bolstered the armies of Orlais. But none of that help came from any other nations.
That's assuming that the devs want to bring back the elves in a position of power to rival humans, which we don't know it'd happen even if they did create an elven state in DAI. Furthermore, the elves didn't have the power to rival the humans even during the Dales (they could somehow fight against one nation). And Let's not forget that for building a powerful nation you need years (if not decades).
I just don't see Bioware half-destroying the human to make the elves more powerful. As much as someone might dislike it, the harsh truth is that if elves and humans don't learn to cooperate, the elves will get screwed again.
Why would the Dalish want to convert humanity to the Creators? Unlike the Chantry, the Dalish aren't looking to convert every single person in existence to their religion. I can just picture my Dalish Inquisitor just shaking his head if there's someone as annoyingly condescending and smug as Brother Burkel talking about imposing his Andrastian religion on the masses.
The point seems to have gone over your head. The story goes, the Grey Wardens were so impressed by Orlais' shenanigans (meaning crazy valor and effectiveness in the second blight), that they decided to convert to/assist the Chantry in spreading the Chant.
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Also, your dig at Burkel, I'm should be shocked that you find that one of the few people in dwarvern society that wants to help widows, orphans & the casteless to be awful, but I don't. Even with your weird issues with missionaries, it's a bit sick that you're against Burkel "imposing" his religion on the masses whose caste system has failed them.
What would be a shame? That elves and human have to cooperate to ensure the elven state's survival?If so, that's a shame, as there's the perfect inspiration IRL for this kind of thing: the Ghost Dance. Bioware just has to make it actually work.
What would be a shame? That elves and human have to cooperate to ensure the elven state's survival?
I'm not familiar with the Ghost Dance though.
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Ghost_Dance
I was thinking the Dalish might prefer something akin to the Lakota interpretation, but other ones would work too.
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