It's referred to as a civil war numerous times in the narrative, and it's addressed as the reason why no other nation is coming to the aid of Ferelden; there's even a quest titled "civil war", where you aid one of Eamon's allies against Loghain's forces.
Ahem Bann Lohern or however you spell that was never mentioned as an ally of Eamon's, Just a random Noble Loghain wanted to seize the lands of.
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Yeah, but Eamon is comatose and Teagan is freaked out fighting zombies. Redcliffe has nothing to do with it.. until Eamon wakes up. And then you get like a big dialogue tree where you can ask him how to proceed and fight Loghain in 10 different ways - but he keeps insisting on the Landsmeet. A peaceful solution (more or less).
Actually, I'm listening to the characters, not the rumors. Eamon says he will concede to Loghain in order to stop the civil war, unless Alistair will come forward with a stronger claim to the throne.
Eamon himself really wasn't part of it, He in fact advised against joining the civil war.
Given the Army was formed to combat the Blight and all.
That's basically the end of it to me, and its basically why the civil war sort of dies mid game with Loghain being the apparent victor.
The Bannorn got their butts stomped by the Hero of Riverdane.
Yeah, but Eamon is comatose and Teagan is freaked out fighting zombies. Redcliffe has nothing to do with it.. until Eamon wakes up. And then you get like a big dialogue tree where you can ask him how to proceed and fight Loghain in 10 different ways - but he keeps insisting on the Landsmeet. A peaceful solution (more or less).
Yup, and given by the time of the Landsmeet Loghain has all but crushed the rebelling Bannorn anyway.
Not much of a civil war to join by this point...
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As much as I like Loghain, he's a dick. It's all on his head and his stupid paranoia.
Yeah, but Eamon is comatose and Teagan is freaked out fighting zombies. Redcliffe has nothing to do with it.. until Eamon wakes up. And then you get like a big dialogue tree where you can ask him how to proceed and fight Loghain in 10 different ways - but he keeps insisting on the Landsmeet. A peaceful solution (more or less).
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If Eamon has nothing to do with it, why would him acquiescing to Loghain end the conflict? Since that's precisely what the Arl argues when he convinces Alistair to come forward to dispute the regency of Loghain.
Eamon's only real role is being a traditionalist. He believes in some ideal of "royal lines". That's his only part in the story.
Eamon's only real role is being a traditionalist. He believes in some ideal of "royal lines". That's his only part in the story.
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That doesn't answer my question. If Eamon has nothing to do with the civil war, why does he say he will concede to Loghain to end it unless Alistair comes forward with a stronger claim, as Maric's son?
I wasn't exactly answering the question. Just putting that out there. There is no war with Eamon. The only thing between him and Loghain is Loghain tried to kill him. Or Howe did. Either/or. I don't remember exactly what he said about concession, but like I said, he's a traditionalist. The idea is appalling to someone like him. Loghain also writes him off as such (he's not a traditionalist).
That doesn't answer my question. If Eamon has nothing to do with the civil war, why does he say he will concede to Loghain to end it unless Alistair comes forward with a stronger claim, as Maric's son?
Because he represents the only force capable of combating Loghain by this point?
And given Loghain's attempted assassination and his survival...well you can infer a few things can't you?
Perhaps Loghain thought he would march on Denerim.
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The only thing that seems to be happening is Loghain kicking a bunch of landowners asses and trying to raise his own army by scaring them all to death. Not much of a war really. Could've worked, if he wiped out the wardens.
The only thing that seems to be happening is Loghain kicking a bunch of landowners asses and trying to raise his own army by scaring them all to death. Not much of a war really. Could've worked, if he wiped out the wardens.
The only thing that seems to be happening is Loghain kicking a bunch of landowners asses and trying to raise his own army by scaring them all to death. Not much of a war really. Could've worked, if he wiped out the wardens.
And i would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling Wardens!- Loghain
When did Burkel express disdain? He seemed like a simpleton to me. You're making him out to be some radical. lol
I don't disagree with you in principle (about forcing religion), but the guy just wanted to open a chantry. Which turned out to be a garbage dump with two other dwarves. Then he got killed. Case closed.
Yeah, the only conflict I recall was a squad of Loghain's troops extorting some locals, and us helping the local militia see them off. Hardly a war. It is possible I'm forgetting armies clashing and such in the time between Ostagar and Denerim, but it doesn't seem likely.
The two gossips only mention two battles vaguely.
One where both sides declare victory, and then a later more decisive victory by Loghain where he apparently routed the Bannorn forces.
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When? When my Surana Warden and Burkel discussed religion. When my Warden disputed the rhetoric Burkel espoused, he ended the conversation abruptly.
I wasn't playing as someone who would agreed with him about the Andrastian faith. Playing as a character who found the Chantry controlled Circle to be a 'prison' and an 'oppressive place', I shaped my elven protagonist as an atheist, with disdain for the Chantry over what they did to the Dales, the elves, and the mages.
I try different playthroughs. If you didn't help him, naturally he's out of luck. I just think it's funny how short lived his efforts are, if you do help him.
If anything he is proof of the intolerance of outside idea's and ideologies in the rigid dwarven caste system.
He was actually quite pleasant even if you refused to help him.
It isn't illegal for Burkel to be Andrastian
It was illegal for him to hold a prayer meeting and to have a place to espouse his faith.
Hence why you need to get permission for it.
I'm merely pointing out the Dalish and Dwarves have a few things in common when it comes to intolerance for idea's they didn't think of.
Plus they are both extremely sore losersGet over it already, Humans rule the world now.
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They should build a new religion around my Paragon Commoner.
The two gossips only mention two battles vaguely.
One where both sides declare victory, and then a later more decisive victory by Loghain where he apparently routed the Bannorn forces.
It was illegal for him to hold a prayer meeting and to have a place to espouse his faith.
Hence why you need to get permission for it.
Indeed. And in the Epilogues they make it outright illegal to be andrastian... which is why he dies.
I don't think it said it was "illegal" per say, just that Orzammar "severely restricted" the rights of Andrastians. Brother Burkle was killed when leading a peaceful protest. Supposedly by accident, but the Chantry presumably didn't buy it.
I either missed those or don't remember them. Considering it's been a considerable while since I played DA:O, either is possible.
I only recall it because i did a recent playthrough.
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