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[Heimdall]

Technically yes, but I personally refer to casteless in the case of dwarves that lived as such in Orzammar/Kal-Sharok and then left. If li Inquisitor is an exiled Noble/warrior/surfacer, I wouldn't cal him a casteless.
Though I have no clue what the Cadash inquisitor will be.

That they had a thaig suggests they were nobles once, I would think.  They aren't now, and I'd guess they're surfacers for whatever reason or another.  Easier for the writers to handle in relation to the other possible Inquisitors.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well that's not really a fair assumption either. All we can say is that she's the only example of a human raised by Dalish to go on to become famous enough to be remembered by history.

It is perfectly fair. There are no records of any other human in the history of ever, to have ever been raised by the Dalish other than Aveline. We can therefore assume that Aveline is a unique case, until proven otherwise.

[LobselVith8]

I was like this for a while, but once I did I never went back. The two dwarf origins are, in my opinion, the best. Especially the Noble.

While the elven mage was my favorite, I thought the dwarven origins were a blast. Especially the dwarven noble - ordering someone's execution, getting a guy to faint just by talking to him, challenging a man to a duel - I thought it was a lot of fun.

[Sir JK]

 

I'd like your post formally, but I'm out for the evening.  So I'll just say I mostly agree and I like your viewpoint.

 

I can show you exactly what the Canticle of Shartan said, at least according to information about Thedas that's been released.  It could be seen as a rallying cry for freedom.  I just confirmed that this was removed after the fall of the Dales:

 

Note: "Dissonant Verses" are ones struck from the canonical Chant.

 

source: http://dragonage.wik...of_Light_Verses

 

 

There is a few other Dissonant Verses, but that's Shartan's.  

 

 

Oh, right. I had forgotten about that snippet. Thanks.

 

And indeed. This alone could be seen as a beacon to rally rebellions around (which just after the Dalish-Orlesian war would be something of a political hot potatoe), which warrants the question what the rest of it is like. It is after all only one of it's verses, as the 10:1 indicates.

 

It's entirely possible that it's not neccessary to hold it as a dissonant verse anymore, that the political climate does no longer warrant it. But thngs changed because the circumstances required tend to have that detail forgotten as they become tradition.

[Ispan]

Also, you are taking the "spreading of the Chant" too literally. As in, everyone must read the exact same line of text. Instead of...you know...just calling out to the Maker?

 

And here's I thought it is the religious folk who are supposed to be hung up on details and too literal.

 

I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be spoken word for word.

 

Leliana complains that while in the Chantry she was looked down on because she didn't properly recite the verses, even though she had the message in her heart.

 

Mother Perpetua outside the Denerim Chantry lectures the older Sister for not reciting the verses correctly.

 

I can't find the exact quotes from another instance but I remember being told that the Maker won't hear them if it's not recited exactly.  It might have also been in conversation with Leliana (and I hate to explore THAT again )

[Master Warder Z_]

Aren't all surface Dwarves casteless? 

 

Only one, very rare exception to that rule.

 

Paragons.

[Major Crackhead]

I hope this means my elf gets a Welsh accent.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be spoken word for word.

 

Leliana complains that while in the Chantry she was looked down on because she didn't properly recite the verses, even though she had the message in her heart.

 

Mother Perpetua outside the Denerim Chantry lectures the older Sister for not reciting the verses correctly.

 

I can't find the exact quotes from another instance but I remember being told that the Maker won't hear them if it's not recited exactly.  It might have also been in conversation with Leliana (and I hate to explore THAT again )

I found it for you.  It was a conversation between Wynne and Leliana.

 

 

Wynne: Do you miss the cloister much? I heard you were quite happy there.

Leliana: Yes, I was, generally. It was peaceful and it gave me a new start. No one knew who I was...But sometimes I am glad I am away and back on the road. There were bothersome things about the place... well, bothersome people. Some of the brothers and sisters would talk to you like... like the Chant they spoke was more pleasing to the Maker. Oh, I hated the way they talked down at me. So sometimes I forget the words to the Chant, or say them wrong, but so what? The Maker looks into your heart, no? So it doesn't matter what your lips say as long as your heart is true.

 

Wynne: I think you're missing the point, my dear. The Chantry believes the Chant of Light should be spread around the world. You cannot spread it, if those that are speaking the Chant are speaking it incorrectly.

 

Leliana: But I came to the Maker before I had even heard all of the Chants. The Maker speaks to people; they just don't know how to listen. It is all a power game, I think. If they convince others they know more, then they must be respected.

 

Wynne: Ah, child, it is precisely this kind of talk that made them wary of you. Opinions that differ from your own are always threatening.

 

 

 

This isn't the only time we're told that the Chant must be said precisely in order to herald the Maker's return.  A bit tough to do that considering that they've taken out three Canticles (Shartan's, Maferath's and the Canticle of Silence.) I'm only being as exact as the in-game lore has told me that the Chanters are.

[Wulfram]

Tough to have a choir if everyone sings different songs.

 

(Shouldn't a Bard be able to remember the words?)

[Grieving Natashina]

Tough to have a choir if everyone sings different songs.

 

(Shouldn't a Bard be able to remember the words?)

Have you seen the length of the Chant of Light?  That would be a lot to ask anyone to remember off the top of their head that wasn't raised in the Chantry.  It's extremely long.

[Master Warder Z_]

Have you seen the length of the Chant of Light?  That would be a lot to ask anyone to remember off the top of their head that wasn't raised in the Chantry.  It's extremely long.

 

Gives me high hopes for Orlais though...Pity we are visiting in a time of Crisis.

 

I want to see the Statue of Andrstate and Drakon (They are the same size believe it or not within the grand cathedral)

 

Orlais the seat of Humanities strongest human culture 

[Xilizhra]

Gives me high hopes for Orlais though...Pity we are visiting in a time of Crisis.

 

I want to see the Statue of Andrstate and Drakon (They are the same size believe it or not within the grand cathedral)

 

Orlais the seat of Humanities strongest human culture 

I want to see them too... because the ones in Kirkwall looked beautiful when the bomb took them down.

[Master Warder Z_]

I want to see them too... because the ones in Kirkwall looked beautiful when the bomb took them down.

 

I strongly doubt the Grand Cathedral an structure that predates the circle system is going anywhere.

 

Also there isn't any Osama Bin Anders there to muck up the pretty buildings with his terrorism.

[KaiserShep]

I prefer Timothy McMage myself.

[Xilizhra]

I strongly doubt the Grand Cathedral an structure that predates the circle system is going anywhere.

 

Also there isn't any Osama Bin Anders there to muck up the pretty buildings with his terrorism.

It doesn't; the Circle came from Tevinter long before Drakon's cult.

 

And his bomb design may well live on, even if you tried to kill him. If so...

[Master Warder Z_]

It doesn't; the Circle came from Tevinter long before Drakon's cult.

 

And his bomb design may well live on, even if you tried to kill him. If so...

 

For many notable reasons i view the circle system of Thedas as something beyond and completely different from whatever the Imperium supposedly had in place. Thus i view the structure as older then the circle.

 

If so? Considering the lack of Quarries within the capital i think it will be fine, unless if people can magically conjure Drakestone.

[LobselVith8]

I want to see them too... because the ones in Kirkwall looked beautiful when the bomb took them down.

 

With Orlais ravaged by a civil war, the Mage-Templar War, and the Resolutionists waging their own war against the Chantry, I'm becoming more and more optimistic about the chances of a possible elven rebellion succeeding in giving the Elvhen their own homeland.

[Xilizhra]

For many notable reasons i view the circle system of Thedas as something beyond and completely different from whatever the Imperium supposedly had in place. Thus i view the structure as older then the circle.

 

If so? Considering the lack of Quarries within the capital i think it will be fine, unless if people can magically conjure Drakestone.

Oh, I'm sure there are quarries enough in Orlais as a whole.

[Lulupab]

It doesn't; the Circle came from Tevinter long before Drakon's cult.

 

And his bomb design may well live on, even if you tried to kill him. If so...

 

Its not even a "bomb" though. A force emerges from beneath chantry, shattering it into pieces and the same force moves up the pieces to the sky and when the force ends all pieces get released immediately with high force. There is no sign of explosion hence no bomb. It causes destruction but its not a bomb. Also I don't know if it was intentional or not the way chantry explodes deals least possible harm to other people as it all happens in sky.

[Master Warder Z_]

Oh, I'm sure there are quarries enough in Orlais as a whole.

 

True but not for a rarity that is according to Anders, Only used by Tveinter Mages.

 

Honestly that abomination using the methods of the Imperium to bring low a Thedosian Chantry is just blatant heresy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

True but not for a rarity that is according to Anders, Only used by Tveinter Mages.

 

Honestly that abomination using the methods of the Imperium to bring low a Thedosian Chantry is just blatant heresy.

Unless you think the whole Tevinter thing is a lie. Though if it is true, Anders must have been giddy at the irony.

[Xilizhra]

True but not for a rarity that is according to Anders, Only used by Tveinter Mages.

 

Honestly that abomination using the methods of the Imperium to bring low a Thedosian Chantry is just blatant heresy.

Blatantly awesome heresy.

 

Ironically, "heretic" is actually the correct term for Anders, although I'm almost certain it was accidental; he appears to consider himself an Andrastian but disagrees with fundamental aspects of doctrine.

[Master Warder Z_]

Its not even a "bomb" though. 

 

Granted we don't know the process of it achieving Exothemric reaction and thus it may not be a "bomb" in a conventional explosive sense but never the less the label suits the device well enough. As for it being "magical"?

 

The quest for gathering the Materials that cause such detonation belie that, the fact Anders has to sneak into the Chantry to plant said device also belie that.

 

Anders achieved an Alchemical weapon, not an innately magical one.

 

But that's just my take on his weapon of mass murder.

[Xilizhra]

Granted we don't know the process of it achieving Exothemric reaction and thus it may not be a "bomb" in a conventional explosive sense but never the less the label suits the device well enough. As for it being "magical"?

 

The quest for gathering the Materials that cause such detonation belie that, the fact Anders has to sneak into the Chantry to plant said device also belie that.

 

Anders achieved an Alchemical weapon, not an innately magical one.

 

But that's just my take on his weapon of mass murder.

The ingredients are more or less gunpowder, so some sort of magical kick had to be used to make it do what it did.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ironically, "heretic" is actually the correct term for Anders, although I'm almost certain it was accidental; he appears to consider himself an Andrastian but disagrees with fundamental aspects of doctrine.

 

He choose to become an Abomination, And he decided to continue living after becoming one.

 

Thus him becoming that Heretic was his own decision.

 

Had he died he wouldn't have brought low a structure filled with Priests and other innocents.

 

:/ There is no defense for blowing up a bloody chantry.

 

Mass Murder is Mass Murder.