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#701
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*cough* Dworkin's lyrium sand explosives. *cough*

 

BSN why you no?

 

Assuming we ignore the fact that he is a dwarf and can work safely with lyrium while mages and mundanes can't its not something especial to none-mages. Mages can pick that up too where as mundanes can't do what mages can with lyrium.



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Elves have enchanting and do not have Tranquil among The People.  It's considered complicated but more effective.  I'm hoping we'll get a chance to explore some of the differences in the approaches to magic that the Dalish have versus many other folk in Ferelden.


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Oh please! Cease the headcanoning.

 

Both of those idiots were merely experiencing the side effects of the tranquility reversal.

 

It confirmed it through their emotional comprehension into flux, you could have kicked a puppy and they probably would have begged to die rather then see such "horror" again.

 

._. If they had been of reasonable state, i am certain they would have spoke of how pleasant it can be.

> accuses headcanon

> headcannons himself

> Is "certain"

 

I see, tell me more please.


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Elves have enchanting and do not have Tranquil among The People.  It's considered complicated but more effective.  I'm hoping we'll get a chance to explore some of the differences in the approaches to magic that the Dalish have versus many other folk in Ferelden.

Indeed. They are the only race we know of that we don't know how enchanting works. Well, and the Qunari but do they even enchant things?



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Oh please! Cease the headcanoning.

 

Both of those idiots were merely experiencing the side effects of the tranquility reversal.

 

It confirmed it through their emotional comprehension into flux, you could have kicked a puppy and they probably would have begged to die rather then see such "horror" again.

 

._. If they had been of reasonable state, i am certain they would have spoke of how pleasant it can be.

 

It's not headcanon when two out of two people cured of tranquility prefer death to being made tranquil again. Karl was begging because he could feel the affects wearing off and his tranquility returning. Pharamond was completely freaking out at the thought.

 

If you want to call it headcanon, fine, but in order to use evidence to contradict the claim, you have to point out one other person who had been made tranquil, been cured, and then had no problem being remade tranquil. 

 

I can just as easily say that, as you called it, those two idiots feeling the effects of tranquility leaving them and nothing more than that as you claimed is your own personal headcanon to justify tranquility, and have just as much evidence backing me up that you have backing you up.


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Elves have enchanting and do not have Tranquil among The People.  It's considered complicated but more effective.  I'm hoping we'll get a chance to explore some of the differences in the approaches to magic that the Dalish have versus many other folk in Ferelden.

I would be interested in seeing more of the Dalish culture and way of life



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Elves have enchanting and do not have Tranquil among The People.  It's considered complicated but more effective.  I'm hoping we'll get a chance to explore some of the differences in the approaches to magic that the Dalish have versus many other folk in Ferelden.

 

Yes, I want to play a Dalish mage just to see if they have a different type of magic accessible to only them. Like in Awakenings where Velanna could control the Sylvans.



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Elves have enchanting and do not have Tranquil among The People.  It's considered complicated but more effective.  I'm hoping we'll get a chance to explore some of the differences in the approaches to magic that the Dalish have versus many other folk in Ferelden.

 

The Dalish have enchanting? I didn't hear about it anywhere. Maybe they don't use lyrium or their mages found a way to neutralize its lethal effects. There is no indication a mundane dalish can do enchanting.



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Yes, I want to play a Dalish mage just to see if they have a different type of magic accessible to only them. Like in Awakenings where Velanna could control the Sylvans.

That would be awesome, but I thought it's something only a Keeper or her First could do.  Wasn't Velanna an exiled first like Merrill became later?

 

Now a banished Dalish keeper would be interesting.  Not all clans would welcome such a person with warm and loving arms for that alone.


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Could Blood Magic be used to enchant?  It can be used in replace of Lyrium for a variety of purposes



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Allright to get this back on track. I am kind of dissapointed about the exclusion of City elf background because it would have been interesting especially in subterfuge missions on connecting with other city elf servants and finding information or getting in places through them. Of course being Dalish maybe you could convince some city elves to leave and join the Dalish or be a complete snob to them and say that they aren't "true elves" in coversation.

 

I'd enjoy doing that, talking to the Alienage elves, and inspiring them to leave behind a life of servitude for a future of freedom among the People. The "Alienage culture" codex reads: "There have been alienages for as long as elves and shems have lived in the same lands. They say that Val Royeaux has ten thousand elves living in a space no bigger than Denerim's market. Their walls are supposedly so high that daylight doesn't reach the vhenadahl until midday." There are a lot of elves who deserve better than such horrid living conditions. A revolution is needed.



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That would be awesome, but I thought it's something only a Keeper or her First could do.  Wasn't Velanna an exiled first like Merrill became later?

 

Now a banished Dalish keeper would be interesting.  Not all clans would welcome such a person with warm and loving arms for that alone.

Yes, Velanna was a First and expected to be the next Keeper, but then the events of Awakening happened.



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That would be awesome, but I thought it's something only a Keeper or her First could do.  Wasn't Velanna an exiled first like Merrill became later?

 

Now a banished Dalish keeper would be interesting.  Not all clans would welcome such a person with warm and loving arms for that alone.

 

Or maybe a keeper or first to a keeper sent out to help her/his people/close the veil and you have an easier in to help join the Dalish clans together and help City elves if those are options available in the game.



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> accuses headcanon

> headcannons himself

> Is "certain"

 

I see, tell me more please.

 

How is that headcannoning?

 

The Novel Asunder covers that bit

 

Emotions are constantly in flux with former Tranquils.

 

Aka they feel what normal people would several time stronger, as in jokes making them fall to the ground in laughter, fear making them fall to the ground in a ball and tremble and etc.

 

Honestly just because you all leave out the bits of lore that inconvenience you doesn't mean i am not aware of them.



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BSN why you no?

 

Assuming we ignore the fact that he is a dwarf and can work safely with lyrium while mages and mundanes can't its not something especial to none-mages. Mages can pick that up too where as mundanes can't do what mages can with lyrium.

 

The enchanter in Awakening was not a tranquil and could handle enchantment. 

 

I've stated before in the past that I see no reason why regular mages and mundanes can't work with lyrium. However, I also recognize that it's extremely dangerous to work with, even for dwarves. They can't inhale it, get in the blood or their eyes or such.

 

If someone has been properly trained and takes proper precautions, I think anyone can work with lyrium. Tranquil and dwarves simply have the easiest time of it, the dwarves because of their resistance, and the tranquil...well, I suppose it has to do by being cut off from the Fade. That or their inability to get distracted from the task at hand. 

 

Could Blood Magic be used to enchant?  It can be used in replace of Lyrium for a variety of purposes

 

I doubt it. Not unless you can form it into a rune and then fold that rune into any piece of weapon or armor. And since blood is a liquid....not likely. 


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The Dalish have enchanting? I didn't hear about it anywhere. Maybe they don't use lyrium or their mages found a way to neutralize its lethal effects. There is no indication a mundane dalish can do enchanting.

They use lyrium for their spells.  Merrill even mentions that she turned to blood magic to cleanse the shard due to it.  "If I had a pile of lyrium, I would have just used that, but I didn't."  The Dalish do have enchanting, it's just harder to do than the Chantry's methods.

 

http://dragonage.wik.../Keeper's_Charm

 

Although elven enchantment is more complicated than Tranquil methods, this ring proves that the old ways are still strong.

 

I never said that a non-magical elf did enchanting, only that the Dalish did them. I have no idea how they would do it, but that's why I want to learn more in Inquisition.  Too many unanswered questions, and a few of them can be addressed in the coming game.


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Allright to get this back on track. I am kind of dissapointed about the exclusion of City elf background because it would have been interesting especially in subterfuge missions on connecting with other city elf servants and finding information or getting in places through them. Of course being Dalish maybe you could convince some city elves to leave and join the Dalish or be a complete snob to them and say that they aren't "true elves" in coversation.

Neither of those types of dialogue sound appealing, to be honest. I hope there is a third option that doesn't result in "Convert to believe what I believe, or you are no true elf." 



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It's not headcanon when two out of two people cured of tranquility prefer death to being made tranquil again. Karl was begging because he could feel the affects wearing off and his tranquility returning. Pharamond was completely freaking out at the thought.

 

If you want to call it headcanon, fine, but in order to use evidence to contradict the claim, you have to point out one other person who had been made tranquil, been cured, and then had no problem being remade tranquil. 

 

I can just as easily say that, as you called it, those two idiots feeling the effects of tranquility leaving them and nothing more than that as you claimed is your own personal headcanon to justify tranquility, and have just as much evidence backing me up that you have backing you up.

 

See if they were emotionally stable i would even grant you have a credible case i'd still prefer the usage of tranquility over blanket executions but i'd perhaps think the process wasn't as much a boon as i had previously assumed.

 

Point being though, you cannot state that either of those tranquil were not merely reacting in said negative because they were just reversed from tranquility, their fear would have been compounded several fold beyond what was reasonable after all, even if they only had MINOR reservations about coming back in theory it would have become mind shattering terror.



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I'd enjoy doing that, talking to the Alienage elves, and inspiring them to leave behind a life of servitude for a future of freedom among the People. The "Alienage culture" codex reads: "There have been alienages for as long as elves and shems have lived in the same lands. They say that Val Royeaux has ten thousand elves living in a space no bigger than Denerim's market. Their walls are supposedly so high that daylight doesn't reach the vhenadahl until midday." There are a lot of elves who deserve better than such horrid living conditions. A revolution is needed.

 

Yes, I so want to play that way.There is a revolution among the city elves in Orlais happening in DAI, I would like to spread it into Ferelden and help them join the Dalish and get their own homeland again.



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Yes, I so want to play that way.There is a revolution revolt among the city elves in Orlais happening in DAI, I would like to spread it into Ferelden and help them join the Dalish and get their own homeland again.

 

Its a revolution if it succeeds, I doubt it will



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Neither of those types of dialogue sound appealing, to be honest. I hope there is a third option that doesn't result in "Convert to believe what I believe, or you are no true elf." 

 

I'm not hoping that those are the only options, I was just giving some extreme example of how playing a Dalish elf will affect your choices and dialogue.



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Its a revolution if it succeeds, I doubt it will

 

Maybe in the game you can help them succeed.


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I'm not hoping that those are the only options, I was just giving some extreme example of how playing a Dalish elf will affect your choices and dialogue.

I know, but I just felt like saying neither of those sound appealing so I hope there is more than that.



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Maybe in the game you can help them succeed.

With the save import, I can tell you it probably won't.

 

If it succeeds, it will happen without player intervention.



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I know, but I just felt like saying neither of those sound appealing so I hope there is more than that.

 

Me too, maybe as a leader you can change some of the isolationist tendencies that the Dalish people have and teach them to be more accepting of others' beliefs.