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[Steelcan]

Maybe in the game you can help them succeed.

 

I don't see why you would. the Inquisition is there to stabilize the world in chaos, not go around crusading, freeing the knife ears is counter-productive for that

[AmRMa]

Me too, maybe as a leader you can change some of the isolationist tendencies that the Dalish people have and teach them to be more accepting of others' beliefs.

 

Edit: not teach- it sounds too patronizing, maybe influence them instead

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't see why you would. the Inquisition is there to stabilize the world in chaos, not go around crusading, freeing the knife ears is counter-productive for that

Well, helping them is one way to stabilize the world since that ends the rebellion just as much as helping Orlais would.

 

 

Me too, maybe as a leader you can change some of the isolationist tendencies that the Dalish people have and teach them to be more accepting of others' beliefs.

Hopefully. If I'm forced to play a Dalish, it had better be a Dalish I at least like.

[AmRMa]

I don't see why you would. the Inquisition is there to stabilize the world in chaos, not go around crusading, freeing the knife ears is counter-productive for that

 

Keeping them under a oppressive regime is the reason they are revolting- give them some rights and treat them as equals and you won't get a revolt in the future- thus stabilizing Thedas, gaining some allies, and helping cities by getting rid of alienages which are basically slums-which in turns lowers the crime rate driven by poverty.

[Steelcan]

Well, helping them is one way to stabilize the world since that ends the rebellion just as much as helping Orlais would.

 

Because the other human nations will never ever feel threatened by an elvish homeland again

[Veruin]

Keeping them under a oppressive regime is the reason they are revolting- give them some rights and treat them as equals and you won't get a revolt in the future- thus stabilizing Thedas, gaining some allies, and helping cities by getting rid of alienages which are basically slums-which in turns lowers the crime rate driven by poverty.

Even if it is justified, the revolution is not the focus of inquistion.

[Ria Kon]

For me, the ideal would have been to have Dalish background for the elven mage, and City Elf for warrior/rogue.

 

Totally agree. However, I'm not so disappointed with Dalish 'cause there used to be a human Inquisitor only.

[Steelcan]

Keeping them under a oppressive regime is the reason they are revolting- give them some rights and treat them as equals and you won't get a revolt in the future- thus stabilizing Thedas, gaining some allies, and helping cities by getting rid of alienages which are basically slums-which in turns lowers the crime rate driven by poverty.

What use as allies could they possibly be?

 

Lets assume that their little revolt is succesful, which I don't think for a second it will be, what can they possibly do to help?  Maul fade spirits with farm equipment?  They will be  busy trying to establish their nation and will be in no position to help

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Even if it is justified, the revolution is not the focus of inquistion.

No, the focus of the Inquisition is to stop the Veil Tears. And to stop them, you need to stabilize the regions. As one of the devs said, "You're saving the world from itself."

[AmRMa]

Even if it is justified, the revolution is not the focus of inquistion.

 

True, finding who tore the Veil and closing the Veil is but bringing order to the world is part of it and ending a revolt is part of bringing order. I imagine you could side with or against the elves but if you play a Dalish elf, I think for the most part you would want to help out your fellow people, or not, player's choice.

[Master Warder Z_]

No, the focus of the Inquisition is to stop the Veil Tears. And to stop them, you need to stabilize the regions. As one of the devs said, "You're saving the world from itself."

 

Building a nation from scratch isn't on the to do list i don't think.

[dragonflight288]

Building a nation from scratch isn't on the to do list i don't think.

 

I doubt it, but depending on how things go in the upcoming novel, our Inquisitor may help the elves claim the Dales or some other piece of land and let them work out the details. 

[AmRMa]

What use as allies could they possibly be?

 

Lets assume that their little revolt is succesful, which I don't think for a second it will be, what can they possibly do to help?  Maul fade spirits with farm equipment?  They will be  busy trying to establish their nation and will be in no position to help

 

The same way the Dalish were helpful in Origins there are fighters and mages, they might know ancient lore to help, City elves can tell you secrets of important people to blackmail them and they can fight. These are a few examples but in game you might be able to name terms in exchange for helping or lending support that they will have to meet.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Building a nation from scratch isn't on the to do list i don't think.

 

 

I doubt it, but depending on how things go in the upcoming novel, our Inquisitor may help the elves claim the Dales or some other piece of land and let them work out the details. 

Exactly. All the Inquisition will do is stop the fighting by siding with either side or reaching a compromise. After those ends are reached, the rest is up to the group/groups you helped. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I doubt it, but depending on how things go in the upcoming novel, our Inquisitor may help the elves claim the Dales or some other piece of land and let them work out the details. 

 

Still think their best bet is appeasement to be honest. Not taking advantage of another crisis to increase borders, that didn't end well last time and i doubt it will here.

 

Even if Orlais is distracted during the civil war and veil tear, what is stop them from rebuilding in the aftermath and merely looking at the nation that popped up in their backyard and them deciding to get their land back?

[ShadowLordXII]

So does this mean that there won't be as much of a prompt to try and improve the lives of City Elves in Thedas?

 

Dalish Elves usually look down on their city kinsfolk and regard them as no different from humans though the actual City elf experience is quite different. A Dalish Inquisitor wouldn't appear to have any thought towards the city elf plight or have an incentive to help apart from using them as a potential tool against any enemies.

 

Oh well, I guess the City Elf situation touches a personal cord with me because of it's application to racial injustice and oppression in real life. The City Elf Warden was one of my three favorite Origins (Apart from Magi and Cousland) and it was because the City Elf could achieve a deal of justice/vengeance and empowerment for her people by killing Vaughen and his guards, saving Ferelden and being hailed as it's hero, and becoming the first elven Bann which leads to a great improvement of Alienage life (as well as potentially becoming Teryn).

 

Why would a Dalish Inquisitor want to save Thedas from itself anyway? Stopping the Demon Invasion certainly makes sense, but why would it matter to a Dalish Inquisitor if the Human nations are destroyed from within and without? I'd imagine a City Elf Inquisitor would at least want to save those of his people who are within the Human Cities much like a City Elf Warden. But what would be at stake for a Dalish Elf Inquisitor to care for the City Elf Plight or for the plight of humanity at all?

[Grieving Natashina]

Perhaps just being like Merrill at the end of her story arc: Opening their eyes further and seeing that Dalish or not, they are all elves.  That the elves are all the lost People and should join together.   Depending upon choice, clan and possibly headcannon, a player might have to come up with their own reasons to care about humans.

 

Me, I'm an empathetic sort, so I wouldn't need to go looking for a reason to help others.

[LobselVith8]

Me too, maybe as a leader you can change some of the isolationist tendencies that the Dalish people have and teach them to be more accepting of others' beliefs.

 

The clans are fairly different, and not all of them would agree about being isolationist. The Dalish in Antiva City are fairly different than their Ferelden counterparts, for example. There's also supposed to be a semi-permanent settlement of Dalish elves living outside of the politically neutral Llomerryn, in Rivain. I do agree that the elves need to stand together to succeed, and I hope the Dalish Inquisitor can help spearhead that into an elven victory.

[dragonflight288]

Still think their best bet is appeasement to be honest. Not taking advantage of another crisis to increase borders, that didn't end well last time and i doubt it will here.

 

Even if Orlais is distracted during the civil war and veil tear, what is stop them from rebuilding in the aftermath and merely looking at the nation that popped up in their backyard and them deciding to get their land back?

 

The elves would have just as long to rebuild. And depending on how things resolve, Orlais may no longer have the resources or the power force the elves to do anything. Say we close the veil tear, what then? It'll be extremely weak, possibly for centuries. That area may or may not even be habitable anymore and end up like Blackmarsh. Who knows, the elves and the Orlesians may end up on opposite ends and it becomes too much a hassle for either side to move against the other. 

 

That's one way for the elves to get their longed for isolationism. 

 

As for appeasement, I don't agree. It hasn't worked for City Elves in Ferelden, Orlais, Nevarra....or anywhere else really. "Oh no, please leave me be." That was the attitude of the city elves in Denerim, even if you play as a city elf, take the blame for Vaughn's death, and step forward to accept your fate, they still blame you for all their problems. At least until the elder who's name I can't recall right now returns. 

 

Simple appeasement doesn't work when dealing with people who already see you as weak and often times, less than human. But respect is something you can earn, whether they want to give it to you or not. 

 

That doesn't mean mass slaughter, but it does mean taking and keeping a stand somewhere, and no human can make you move from wherever you stand. Realistically, it would probably mean the humans would force a conflict. If the elves cave in at the first sign of trouble, they end up in a place no better than where they started. 

 

Of course, those same elves were also arming themselves (illegally) to fight for their homes when the darkspawn hit Denerim, compared to the rest of the city who weren't. Or at least, we never saw them fight. When that happened, those elves earned my respect. 

[Shadow Fox]

Why are we talking about mage scum in a thread about knife ear scum?

Who you calling scum shem?

[AmRMa]

The clans are fairly different, and not all of them would agree about being isolationist. The Dalish in Antiva City are fairly different than their Ferelden counterparts, for example. There's also supposed to be a semi-permanent settlement of Dalish elves living outside of the politically neutral Llomerryn, in Rivain. I do agree that the elves need to stand together to succeed, and I hope the Dalish Inquisitor can help spearhead that into an elven victory.

 

What I would like to do as a Dalish Inquisitor is to unite different clans with city elves to have their own land and equality in Ferelden and Orlais. Not to keep them seperate but raise their status in Thedan society.

[LobselVith8]

I don't see why you would. the Inquisition is there to stabilize the world in chaos, not go around crusading, freeing the knife ears is counter-productive for that

 

Don't worry, things will be stabilized when the elven kingdom of the Dales is freed from Orlesian occupation.

[Steelcan]

Don't worry, things will be stabilized when the elven kingdom of the Dales is freed from Orlesian occupation.

 

Yeah, that'll work out in the long run..

 

I hear that last time the elves got a homeland it went swimmingly

[Jedi Master of Orion]

So does this mean that there won't be as much of a prompt to try and improve the lives of City Elves in Thedas?

 

Dalish Elves usually look down on their city kinsfolk and regard them as no different from humans though the actual City elf experience is quite different. A Dalish Inquisitor wouldn't appear to have any thought towards the city elf plight or have an incentive to help apart from using them as a potential tool against any enemies.

 

Oh well, I guess the City Elf situation touches a personal cord with me because of it's application to racial injustice and oppression in real life. The City Elf Warden was one of my three favorite Origins (Apart from Magi and Cousland) and it was because the City Elf could achieve a deal of justice/vengeance and empowerment for her people by killing Vaughen and his guards, saving Ferelden and being hailed as it's hero, and becoming the first elven Bann which leads to a great improvement of Alienage life (as well as potentially becoming Teryn).

 

Why would a Dalish Inquisitor want to save Thedas from itself anyway? Stopping the Demon Invasion certainly makes sense, but why would it matter to a Dalish Inquisitor if the Human nations are destroyed from within and without? I'd imagine a City Elf Inquisitor would at least want to save those of his people who are within the Human Cities much like a City Elf Warden. But what would be at stake for a Dalish Elf Inquisitor to care for the City Elf Plight or for the plight of humanity at all?

 

Because the Dalish live in the same world? The demons and Veil Tears are a threat to them as well. Also because being Dalish doesn't mean you have to be a sociopath you likes to watch the world burn?

 

And before anyone brings up the Second Blight. That only happened once. And almost every nation is guilty of it to some degree. Tevinter abandoned other nations to the ravages of the darkspawn more times than the elves.

[Steelcan]

Who you calling scum shem?

 

Knife ears, some mages, the dwarves are alright