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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, that'll work out in the long run..

 

I hear that last time the elves got a homeland it went swimmingly

Well, as long as the Dalish don't start a campaign against Orlais again they should be fine.

[LobselVith8]

Even if it is justified, the revolution is not the focus of inquistion.

 

Since the developers have said that the player defines what the Inquisition is, a revolution of the Elvhen is precisely one of the goals my Dalish Inquisitor will aspire for with his organization.

[Steelcan]

I'm still extremely doubtful we will be able to do anything of the sort like freeing the oppressed or anything

[Hrungr]

Yeah, that'll work out in the long run..

 

I hear that last time the elves got a homeland it went swimmingly

 

You're right... Looks like I'm going to have to help the Dalish crush Orlais entirely. 

[LobselVith8]

So does this mean that there won't be as much of a prompt to try and improve the lives of City Elves in Thedas?

 

Dalish Elves usually look down on their city kinsfolk and regard them as no different from humans though the actual City elf experience is quite different. A Dalish Inquisitor wouldn't appear to have any thought towards the city elf plight or have an incentive to help apart from using them as a potential tool against any enemies.

 

Oh well, I guess the City Elf situation touches a personal cord with me because of it's application to racial injustice and oppression in real life. The City Elf Warden was one of my three favorite Origins (Apart from Magi and Cousland) and it was because the City Elf could achieve a deal of justice/vengeance and empowerment for her people by killing Vaughen and his guards, saving Ferelden and being hailed as it's hero, and becoming the first elven Bann which leads to a great improvement of Alienage life (as well as potentially becoming Teryn).

 

Why would a Dalish Inquisitor want to save Thedas from itself anyway? Stopping the Demon Invasion certainly makes sense, but why would it matter to a Dalish Inquisitor if the Human nations are destroyed from within and without? I'd imagine a City Elf Inquisitor would at least want to save those of his people who are within the Human Cities much like a City Elf Warden. But what would be at stake for a Dalish Elf Inquisitor to care for the City Elf Plight or for the plight of humanity at all?

 

I don't see why you assume that the Dalish Inquisitor is incapable of being an individual, and having his own opinions. Lanaya, Elora, Cammen, Gheyna, and Athras demonstrate that the People are varied, even among members of their own clan.

 

The Dalish also deal with racial injustice and oppression, given their survival depends on being nomadic because of their outlawed religious views and their culture. As for your import, I hope that your decision to become the first elven Bann is acknowledged within Inquisition, since Ferelden will be one of the settings.

 

As for saving the world, I don't see why you think the Dalish Inquisitor wouldn't want to save the world. As my Surana Warden told Mother Hannah (when she expressed surprise that someone of elven blood would rescue a village of humans), he couldn't simply stand by and do nothing when people were in danger. I don't see what's so strange about an elven hero. Merrill, for example, cared about the elves in the Alienage, despite the fact that they weren't Dalish, and she was willing to risk her life to protect the Circle of Kirkwall from Meredith's Right of Annulment, to save the lives of humans and elves alike. The same could be true for the Dalish Inquisitor saving the world from demons and veil tears.

[Veruin]

You're right... Looks like I'm going to have to help the Dalish crush Orlais entirely. 

The Dalish are far too outnumbered to do that.

[Master Warder Z_]

The elves would have just as long to rebuild. And depending on how things resolve, Orlais may no longer have the resources or the power force the elves to do anything. Say we close the veil tear, what then? It'll be extremely weak, possibly for centuries. That area may or may not even be habitable anymore and end up like Blackmarsh. Who knows, the elves and the Orlesians may end up on opposite ends and it becomes too much a hassle for either side to move against the other. 

 

That's one way for the elves to get their longed for isolationism. 

 

As for appeasement, I don't agree. It hasn't worked for City Elves in Ferelden, Orlais, Nevarra....or anywhere else really. "Oh no, please leave me be." That was the attitude of the city elves in Denerim, even if you play as a city elf, take the blame for Vaughn's death, and step forward to accept your fate, they still blame you for all their problems. At least until the elder who's name I can't recall right now returns. 

 

Simple appeasement doesn't work when dealing with people who already see you as weak and often times, less than human. But respect is something you can earn, whether they want to give it to you or not. 

 

That doesn't mean mass slaughter, but it does mean taking and keeping a stand somewhere, and no human can make you move from wherever you stand. Realistically, it would probably mean the humans would force a conflict. If the elves cave in at the first sign of trouble, they end up in a place no better than where they started. 

 

Of course, those same elves were also arming themselves (illegally) to fight for their homes when the darkspawn hit Denerim, compared to the rest of the city who weren't. Or at least, we never saw them fight. When that happened, those elves earned my respect. 

 

Orlais doesn't have any of the issues that come from a third world nation emerging out of nowhere, it has lines of logistics, economic centers and viable trade routes. Saying they will have the same time to recover isn't exactly true given all Orlais need do is recover, The elves in this case would have to not only establish a nation and a means of sustaining it but also acquire the resources to do so.So forgetting that Orlais has the wealth to rebuild it self and rearm it self into a regional superpower again.

 

Let us discuss the precedent it would set upon the international scale, the victor of the conflict would likely be the subject of contempt and scorn across Thedas, You win/retain your throne only to have knife ears forge their own kingdom in your realm? You think it would even vaguely be acceptable to the Monarchy to have that? 

 

And Appeasement is more then just "i am going to live under your protection, pay taxes and work" That doesn't result in special treatment for human peasants, why would it do anything for elves? My point is this, rally yourself into a force, join a faction and then acquire a boon from said leader once service is tendered, its all relatively straight forward and givens a set precedence in at least one fictional contemporary of DA i'd say it could occur within DA as well. And given that was how the first Elven Kingdom was established within Orlais i could see their populace accepting the measure. The empress or Emperor could reward elves with a Kingdom for said services, a vassal land but land not the less.

 

It's just ultimately? Your arguing for stealing land from the greatest Empire in Thedas and then hoping that leaving them alone prevents them from getting agitated about overly. I am merely arguing that elves make themselves useful in this moment of strife and then milk it for all its worth.

[Lorien19]

So does this mean that there won't be as much of a prompt to try and improve the lives of City Elves in Thedas?

 

Dalish Elves usually look down on their city kinsfolk and regard them as no different from humans though the actual City elf experience is quite different. A Dalish Inquisitor wouldn't appear to have any thought towards the city elf plight or have an incentive to help apart from using them as a potential tool against any enemies.

 

Oh well, I guess the City Elf situation touches a personal cord with me because of it's application to racial injustice and oppression in real life. The City Elf Warden was one of my three favorite Origins (Apart from Magi and Cousland) and it was because the City Elf could achieve a deal of justice/vengeance and empowerment for her people by killing Vaughen and his guards, saving Ferelden and being hailed as it's hero, and becoming the first elven Bann which leads to a great improvement of Alienage life (as well as potentially becoming Teryn).

 

Why would a Dalish Inquisitor want to save Thedas from itself anyway? Stopping the Demon Invasion certainly makes sense, but why would it matter to a Dalish Inquisitor if the Human nations are destroyed from within and without? I'd imagine a City Elf Inquisitor would at least want to save those of his people who are within the Human Cities much like a City Elf Warden. But what would be at stake for a Dalish Elf Inquisitor to care for the City Elf Plight or for the plight of humanity at all?

Usually  you said it your self, not always,We don't know what stance our Dalish Inquisitor will hold towards the city elves,we may have the opportunity to appear compassionate and understanding...I honestly can't understand why people make such assumptions,about a Dalish inquisitor's views,when we don't know what dialogue options and reactions we will have.
In DA2 during Marethari's visit in the alienage,we see a different aspect of the Dalish-City elf relations. She seems saddened by their plight and in return the alienage elves are extremely respectful towards her.

As far as your second point is concerned,again I will repeat that it will have to do with our characters morality. Although I must admit can't see a Dalish inquisitor meddling in human politics voluntarily, unless it benefits their people in one way or the other,an ethical character will probably try to help those in need no matter their race or social class.It's what makes them "morally right" after all.
 

[Hrungr]

The Dalish are far too outnumbered to do that.

 

With the Inquisition backing them, and playing Orlais against itself in a civil war... I imagine all kinds of things are possible. 

[Steelcan]

With the Inquisition backing them, and playing Orlais against itself in a civil war... I imagine all kinds of things are possible. 

 

You act like this situation is certain to arise, for all you know we might have no option to help the elves at all

[Shadow Fox]

I must admit much of my discomfort for the Dalish Warden came from all the fanfics that portrayed usually her as very racist like people seemed to think a Dalish Warden had to be racist.

[Hrungr]

You act like this situation is certain to arise, for all you know we might have no option to help the elves at all

 

Possibly, but with a Dalish protagonist and this summary from The Masked Empire, I think the odds are pretty good...

 

Empress Celene of Orlais rose to the throne of the most powerful nation in Thedas through wisdom, wit, and ruthless manipulation. Now, the empire she has guided into an age of enlightenment is threatened from within by imminent war between the templars and the mages, even as rebellion stirs among the downtrodden elves. To save Orlais, Celene must keep her hold on the throne by any means necessary.

 

Fighting with the legendary skill of the Orlesian Chevaliers, Grand Duke Gaspard has won countless battles for the empire and the empress. But has he fought in vain? As the Circle fails and chaos looms, Gaspard begins to doubt that Celene’s diplomatic approach to the mage problem or the elven uprisings will keep the empire safe. Perhaps it is time for a new leader, one who lives by the tenets of the Chevalier’s Code, to make Orlais strong again.

Briala has been Celene’s handmaid since the two of them were children, subtly using her position to help improve the lives of elves across Orlais. She is Celene’s confidante, spymaster, and lover, but when politics force the empress to choose between the rights of Briala’s people and the Orlesian throne, Briala must in turn decide where her true loyalties lie.

 

Alliances are forged and promises broken as Celene and Gaspard battle for the throne of Orlais. But in the end, the elves who hide in the forests or starve in the alienages may decide the fate of the masked empire.

[Steelcan]

Having read many books in the same vein as that I can reasonably assume that the elves will rise up at the end and the book will end on that note

[LobselVith8]

With the Inquisition backing them, and playing Orlais against itself in a civil war... I imagine all kinds of things are possible. 

 

Exactly. The Inquisitor is building an army and building alliances, while the Orlesian Empire is divided by a civil war and a schism between mages and templars that has lead to a continental war between the two; it's not the same as it was when Orlais sacked the Dales with the aid of the Circles.

 

After hearing about the customization options for the soldiers of the Inquisition, I'm also wondering if adding a Dalish emblem to the uniforms would be possible.

[Hrungr]

Exactly. The Inquisitor is building an army and building alliances, while the Orlesian Empire is divided by a civil war and a schism between mages and templars that has lead to a continental war between the two; it's not the same as it was when Orlais sacked the Dales with the aid of the Circles.

 

After hearing about the customization options for the soldiers of the Inquisition, I'm also wondering if adding a Dalish emblem to the uniforms would be possible.

 

Corporate branding is important.

[Master Warder Z_]

Those pro Knife ear sure do like to hope about something magically allowing them to fight on par with an Empire that has conquered more land then any one since the Imperium. 

 

I personally doubt DAI will allow much interaction into the realm of Orlais it self, you may or may not be able to influence the civil war, just as you may or may not be able to influence the Templar Mage Conflict. But Bioware has said nothing about being able to join with either of those banners to complete their mission, after all the Inquisition is third party.

 

To me its about the same as speculating about DA 2.

 

Something best not do overly because the end product may disapoint.

[Master Warder Z_]

Corporate branding is important.

 

Agreed i do so love the Sunburst seal on Tranquil heads.

[Shadow Fox]

Those pro Knife ear sure do like to hope about something magically allowing them to fight on par with an Empire that has conquered more land then any one since the Imperium. 

 

I personally doubt DAI will allow much interaction into the realm of Orlais it self, you may or may not be able to influence the civil war, just as you may or may not be able to influence the Templar Mage Conflict. But Bioware has said nothing about being able to join with either of those banners to complete their mission, after all the Inquisition is third party.

 

To me its about the same as speculating about DA 2.

 

Something best not do overly because the end product may disapoint.

Well Rome eventually fell.

[Lorien19]

Well Rome eventually fell.

This!^ If I made a list of every known empire that has fallen fictional or not,it will stretch from Japan to Peru...Though I can't comment on  the Orlesian empire until I read the book...

[Hrungr]

Well Rome eventually fell.

 

Orlais is an Empire in decline. Nevarra, Ferelden, Civil War, Chantry/Templars split, Circles breaking away... and now we add the Elves and Inquisition to the mix.

[Steelcan]

Orlais is an Empire in decline. Nevarra, Ferelden, Civil War, Chantry/Templars split, Circles breaking away... and now we add the Elves and Inquisition to the mix.

 

Thats like saying Rome was in decline at the outset of the Punic Wars, or when Caesar started his Civil war

[Master Warder Z_]

Well Rome eventually fell.

 

It did indeed but there is nothing to indicate Orlais is falling. Rome was collapsing for centuries before it's Eastern collapse, Its territory shrank, its military and wealth shrank, corruption ran rampant and inept rulers killed it.

 

Orlais has suffered a few recent military defeats but the loss of a vassal nation aside, its been a relatively stable ride since the Qunari Wars.

 

The rest of Thedas has its hands full more or less to leave it alone to rebuild, I doubt the Mage Templar conflict will overly Harm it.

 

And  Elven Rebellion at most (assuming its successful) will force the two factions of the civil war to hold a ceasefire while they join hands to deal with it.

 

Orlais isn't Rome.

[LobselVith8]

Corporate branding is important.

 

It's important for the world to know that the Inquisition is a Dalish organization now, after all. 

 

Orlais is an Empire in decline. Nevarra, Ferelden, Civil War, Chantry/Templars split, Circles breaking away... and now we add the Elves and Inquisition to the mix.

 

With an elven rebellion supported by the Inquisitor, who is building alliances across the continent, I think the Elvhen have an opportunity to forge a new future where the elves are their own masters.

[Shadow Fox]

Thats like saying Rome was in decline at the outset of the Punic Wars, or when Caesar started his Civil war

Tevinter is but as of now Orlais isn't.

[Master Warder Z_]

With an elven rebellion supported by the Inquisitor

 

Assuming you can do so anyway.

 

Just because a Dalish may become an Inquisitor doesn't not automatically make the possibility of joining an elven rebellion become fact.

 

And with out outsider help this little rebellion assuming its not fighting for one of the other factions anyway, likely would fall flat.

 

  Probably for the best anyway if it did.