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[Dean_the_Young]

I can see the Chantry, as an institution, being radically changed without the faith disappearing. An easy way would be for it to fragment and decentralize: the death of the Divine and power squabbles means there's no unified Chantry system, but church still goes on at the local level as local Chantries are led by the same mothers who teach the same things via cultural inertia. There'd just be less institutional coherence for lack of an institution: this Revered Mother says Faction A is evil, while that Revered Mother says Faction A should be tolerated and forgiven.

 

I'd be tickled if people who tilt against organized principle on general principle were to discover that a disorganized religion was worse (and easier to nakedly exploit for politics) than an organized religion, and that destroying an international institution left, well, a lack of international solution to support their pet cause.

 

Qunari invasion wiping the slate key in various areas, and all that. Can you say fall of the Dales 2.0 for a lack of Exalted March in a coalition to help it?

[ShadowLordXII]

I don't see why you assume that the Dalish Inquisitor is incapable of being an individual, and having his own opinions. Lanaya, Elora, Cammen, Gheyna, and Athras demonstrate that the People are varied, even among members of their own clan.

 

The Dalish also deal with racial injustice and oppression, given their survival depends on being nomadic because of their outlawed religious views and their culture. As for your import, I hope that your decision to become the first elven Bann is acknowledged within Inquisition, since Ferelden will be one of the settings.

 

As for saving the world, I don't see why you think the Dalish Inquisitor wouldn't want to save the world. As my Surana Warden told Mother Hannah (when she expressed surprise that someone of elven blood would rescue a village of humans), he couldn't simply stand by and do nothing when people were in danger. I don't see what's so strange about an elven hero. Merrill, for example, cared about the elves in the Alienage, despite the fact that they weren't Dalish, and she was willing to risk her life to protect the Circle of Kirkwall from Meredith's Right of Annulment, to save the lives of humans and elves alike. The same could be true for the Dalish Inquisitor saving the world from demons and veil tears.

 

There are exceptions to the norm of course and the Dalish Inquisitor can be potentially Role-played to care about City Elves and the fate of the world.

 

I would honestly have preferred a choice between City and Dalish elf. Plus, the City Elf just naturally has more at stake on a personal level considering that what happens to Human nations also effects the Elven Alienages. The Dalish elf on the other hand, always has the option to just walk away without any personal consequence to themselves or to their people.

 

A Dalish Inquisitor just seems like they'd be more motivated by general duty rather than having something personal on the line and that's not really all too interesting.

[LobselVith8]

There are exceptions to the norm of course and the Dalish Inquisitor can be potentially Role-played to care about City Elves and the fate of the world.

I don't think there really is a norm for the Dalish. The clans seem to vary quite a bit depending on where they originate.

I would honestly have preferred a choice between City and Dalish elf.

That's fair. We all have our preferences. I was very unhappy at the original news of a 'human only' protagonist, so I can relate.

Plus, the City Elf just naturally has more at stake on a personal level considering that what happens to Human nations also effects the Elven Alienages. The Dalish elf on the other hand, always has the option to just walk away without any personal consequence to themselves or to their people.

A Dalish Inquisitor just seems like they'd be more motivated by general duty rather than having something personal on the line and that's not really all too interesting.

The Dalish live on Thedas, too, so I really don't get where you're coming from. Saving the continent from a demonic invasion pouring out of veil tears from the Beyond isn't simply about rescuing humanity; a plethora of other races inhabit the lands, so stopping an apocalyptic scale invasion of demons (or spirits, if we are going by Dalish terms) protects them all.

I also think the Dalish Inquisitor could be motivated to protect his people in the Alienages. Just because they live in the Alienages doesn't make them any less elven.

[Master Warder Z_]

Just because they live in the Alienages doesn't make them any less elven.

 

You should tell the Dalish that

 

"Flat Ears" Is what Two Dalish clans have called non Dalish Elves in Lore thus far.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if it was universal.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's also what City Elves call elves who leave the Alienage.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's also what City Elves call elves who leave the Alienage.

 

Not really surprised by this point.

 

 Funny isn't it? You follow Andrastrian teachings and are human and you are more less given a free pass to do whatever.

 

Other races are so hating and restricted.

[Iron Fist]

Dragon Age: The Elven Rebellion.

 

I thought Kirkwall would have been a perfect place for that (so that we could have played an elf in DA2 ), but BioWare went with a mage rebellion instead.

[Master Warder Z_]

I thought Kirkwall would have been a perfect place for that (so that we could have played an elf in DA2 ), but BioWare went with a mage rebellion instead.

 

Yeah several dozen slum dweller elves vs Hundreds of Templars and Guardsmen and a Circle sworn to protect the City.

 

That plot line would have been resolved pretty quickly.

[Lulupab]

Unless Bioware changes the way they make games I'm almost certain helping Dalish is an option. I can't say what we will help them do but we will have the option. We always had such options in DAO and ME series. Choosing between two factions with a compromise option available too if the players want to take that route. (sometimes, otherwise just choosing between the two)

[Ihatebadgames]

Lot of fire on this topic. I shall miss the city elf. But agree with the Mages and Dalish: Death to spam in a can.

[Xilizhra]

Qunari invasion wiping the slate key in various areas, and all that. Can you say fall of the Dales 2.0 for a lack of Exalted March in a coalition to help it?

No. Both because an Exalted March wouldn't help it, and because the Dales are on the opposite end of Thedas from the qunari.

 

 

Yeah several dozen slum dweller elves vs Hundreds of Templars and Guardsmen and a Circle sworn to protect the City.

 

That plot line would have been resolved pretty quickly.

Perhaps you could choose to side with the qunari. They weren't planning to stay, and might allow the elves and those sympathetic to them to hold the city in exchange for retrieving the book. Depending on the situation and how corrupt the Andrastian leadership might be (if the plot shifted around to accommodate this), you could still almost certainly have Aveline remain on your side, and thus the guard might not throw all their support behind the templars. As for the Circle... I think they could be convinced to see the merits of the alliance.

[Shadow Fox]

Yeah several dozen slum dweller elves vs Hundreds of Templars and Guardsmen and a Circle sworn to protect the City.

 

That plot line would have been resolved pretty quickly.

Well Elven fanatic poisoned Lowtown.

[Matthew Ryder]

Doesn't bother me at all. Both the City and Dalish Elven Origins were my favorite in the first Dragon Age (though my main storyline has a Dalish elf). Still, I'm looking forward to the other origins in Inquisition. Haven't made up my mind which I would prefer but so far they all look interesting.

[Leo]

So, an elf Inquisitor is always Dalish?

 

I like that since the Dalish got the best tattoos. Though I feel like there will be a problem in trying to roleplay a hateful Dalish, as it didn't seem that possible in DA: Origins. 

[Grieving Natashina]

So, an elf Inquisitor is always Dalish?

 

I like that since the Dalish got the best tattoos. Though I feel like there will be a problem in trying to roleplay a hateful Dalish, as it didn't seem that possible in DA: Origins. 

Yep, and so far there is evidence that the Dwarf will be Noble only.   When it comes to the tattoos, I'm hoping for more variety in style as well as color.  Perhaps if we're in a clan not before seen in game, there will be some differences in style.  Oh and color too.  

 

As far as your final point, that's been a hope expressed by many in the thread: The ability to have some varied RP reactions based on race.  For example, many of us have discussed being able to express either acceptance or disdain for various actions.  For me, calling out the Chantry (and/or very devout religious characters) for some things would be an example.

 

Basically, many have expressed a desire to have an expanded version of the options in Origins,.  This ties into hopefully feeling less like a human in elven skin, which Origins had some moments of.  

 

 

Dalish warden dialogue option: By Andraste!

 

Me: <notices there is no option to say By the Creators!>

 

Me: Really game?  Nothing like that, only a mention or two of being an elf in general.  Um, bit of a letdown there.   

 

Perhaps some racial influence on the major events that are likely to play out in Inquisition, such as the growing elven rebellion in Orlais.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Really? I honestly don't remember running into any situations where there was only Andrastian dialogue for my Dalish Warden. I know there's several examples of Andrastian dialogue that fits into generic dialogue that all characters get, but I can't remember any times where there wasn't at least one "Actually I'm Dalish" type of response too.

 

It wasn't always one that I liked. For example, when Justice asks the Warden if they believe in the Maker the only Origin specif dialogue for the Dalish Elf was a little overly defensive, but it was still there.

[Dean_the_Young]

No. Both because an Exalted March wouldn't help it, and because the Dales are on the opposite end of Thedas from the qunari.

 

 

An Exalted Marches were called to help and in alliance with the hated Tevinters, so what's your basis of claiming an alliance with elves could not occur?

 

And the Dales are not on the opposite end of Thedas from the Qunari in a strategic sense. The Dales are right by a sea lane, and the Qunari are an established major naval power. They can sail there.

 

 

 

Perhaps you could choose to side with the qunari. They weren't planning to stay, and might allow the elves and those sympathetic to them to hold the city in exchange for retrieving the book. Depending on the situation and how corrupt the Andrastian leadership might be (if the plot shifted around to accommodate this), you could still almost certainly have Aveline remain on your side, and thus the guard might not throw all their support behind the templars. As for the Circle... I think they could be convinced to see the merits of the alliance.

 

 

And then what? The Qunari take their book and try to stay in the city, which results in an Exalted March that annihilates the opposition and destroys the mages, or the Qunari take their book and leave the city. In which case the mages either leave the city with the Qunari, who will be free to enforce the Qun on them as the Qun demands, or they do NOT leave the city with the Qunari- in which case the collaborators are left to the tender mercies of people who can rightfully call them traitors.

 

No matter what happens, the mages would lose. They would delegitimize themselves and their cause, and for a fecklesss, irresponsible defeat for any intent of mage empowerment.

 

 

 

Besides, Aveline's never been a stickler about corruption- she's one of the most corrupt authority figures we know of in the story, albeit a very sympathetically handled one in a game very, very soft on corruption. She's always been concerned more about the wellfare of the city- you'll need a great deal more to justify her siding with a hostile invasion force. (Assuming we're talking about, well, Aveline, rather than 'some other personality to suit me who looks and sounds the same.')

[DragonAgeFeetLover]

Sorry to be anticlimactic but i would like to make a question about The Tower of Ishal in Dragon Age Origins! So...when you enter the Tower at the very first floor you see semi- thin statues ( i believe four of them , each holding a small shield or dish ) ! Now first of all..are thiese statues FEMALE ?! And secondly what exactly are they! Thanks alot ! Some dragon age junkie please answer me.

[Mistic]

Really? I honestly don't remember running into any situations where there was only Andrastian dialogue for my Dalish Warden. I know there's several examples of Andrastian dialogue that fits into generic dialogue that all characters get, but I can't remember any times where there wasn't at least one "Actually I'm Dalish" type of response too.

 

It wasn't always one that I liked. For example, when Justice asks the Warden if they believe in the Maker the only Origin specif dialogue for the Dalish Elf was a little overly defensive, but it was still there.

 

Exactly. And if the Dalish-only answer sounds too harsh, most of the time you could use generic, non-committing responses availbale to every character.

 

I understand that people are afraid of the possibility of Bioware screwing up with specific dialogue, but in DA:O they did it rather well, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sorry to be anticlimactic but i would like to make a question about The Tower of Ishal in Dragon Age Origins! So...when you enter the Tower at the very first floor you see semi- thin statues ( i believe four of them , each holding a small shield or dish ) ! Now first of all..are thiese statues FEMALE ?! And secondly what exactly are they! Thanks alot ! Some dragon age junkie please answer me.

It is probably barbarian sculptures of heroes and/or gods. Kinloch Hold, the name of the tower, used to be an Avvar (One of the barbarian tribes that first settled in Ferelden) fortress.

 

It could also be modern additions to the building, in which case they probably depict Andraste and her followers, and/r other heroes of folklore.

[Xilizhra]

An Exalted Marches were called to help and in alliance with the hated Tevinters, so what's your basis of claiming an alliance with elves could not occur?

Only because non-Tevinter interests were threatened, and they only went near Tevinter because that's where the bulk of the qunari army was.

 

And the Dales are not on the opposite end of Thedas from the Qunari in a strategic sense. The Dales are right by a sea lane, and the Qunari are an established major naval power. They can sail there.

To my knowledge, that isn't the qunari MO. They seem to want to slowly spread out from the top and convert everyone in their path, as pure military victory isn't really the main goal; control and assimilation of the entire population of the continent is.

 

And then what? The Qunari take their book and try to stay in the city, which results in an Exalted March that annihilates the opposition and destroys the mages, or the Qunari take their book and leave the city. In which case the mages either leave the city with the Qunari, who will be free to enforce the Qun on them as the Qun demands, or they do NOT leave the city with the Qunari- in which case the collaborators are left to the tender mercies of people who can rightfully call them traitors.

 

No matter what happens, the mages would lose. They would delegitimize themselves and their cause, and for a fecklesss, irresponsible defeat for any intent of mage empowerment.

 

 

 

Besides, Aveline's never been a stickler about corruption- she's one of the most corrupt authority figures we know of in the story, albeit a very sympathetically handled one in a game very, very soft on corruption. She's always been concerned more about the wellfare of the city- you'll need a great deal more to justify her siding with a hostile invasion force. (Assuming we're talking about, well, Aveline, rather than 'some other personality to suit me who looks and sounds the same.')

I can use some more fiddling with the concept. The basic idea of it is that the major problems would be more with Kirkwall's political leadership than the templars per se, resulting in greater overall suffering of the populace.

[DragonAgeFeetLover]

It is probably barbarian sculptures of heroes and/or gods. Kinloch Hold, the name of the tower, used to be an Avvar (One of the barbarian tribes that first settled in Ferelden) fortress.

 

It could also be modern additions to the building, in which case they probably depict Andraste and her followers, and/r other heroes of folklore.

So are they female then ? If you look at their feet , theyre really femalelike !

[EmperorSahlertz]

So are they female then ? If you look at their feet , theyre really femalelike !

Some of them are at least. But as I recall there are also a few sculptures of males in the tower. But basically there is no greater lore attached to them.

[DragonAgeFeetLover]

Some of them are at least. But as I recall there are also a few sculptures of males in the tower. But basically there is no greater lore attached to them.

I'm talking about the one's with a shield/dish in the right  hand and a seathed sword in the side of the left hand. They wear a helmet and are barefoot , i got to say the feet are kind of pretty. Are thiese statues female ?! Thanks alot.