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[Lorien19]

From what little the codex says, the Path of Peace doesn't mean pacifism in general, it just means learning healing arts.

Yes I also had this impression,however it is hinted that, those who follow the Vir Atish'an usually avoid violence. As it emphasized that it's "a harder path to tread".

 

Out of topic,But I wonder,if our Dalish inquisitor will be a memeber of a clan we've already heard of (Ralaferin,Alerion)or a completely new clan we weren't introduced in the game.The Ralaferin clan particularly seems to have contributed greatly into the preservation of Dalish lore.It will be interesting if our pc was a member of this clan.

[TK514]

I was under the impression Fenris converted, given the slow buildup in the conversations between Sebastian and Fenris about him going to the local Chantry, and how it went from reluctance on Fenris' part to admit he was praying to the Maker to Sebastian explaining how there was a reason for all the bad things that he experienced under Danarius.
 
I think, if any two characters were to reunite, it would be Sebastian and Fenris. They seemed to be getting close (as friends and confidants).
 
I didn't mean in a negative way; Sebastian expresses that he doesn't see a problem with Fenris leading his army, so I don't think he would look down on the main character being an elf. I was thinking more about how they might contrast the Dalish protagonist with the members of the Sabrae clan, including Merrill. There's also the factor of the Dalish Inquisitor being a mage, and how it come into play with their reactions if Anders was spared.

Hmm, I may have to give them more party time if I do another play-through. I do recall the conversation about Fenris becoming a general, but not the others.

And while I doubt there would be any issue around the Inquisitor being Dalish, I don't think the same can be said about the Inqusitor being a Mage, especially after what happened in Kirkwall,regardless of outcome. They had ten years to learn to trust Merrill and (possibly) Hawke. I'm not sure a Mage inquisitor of any race would receive the same.

[Grieving Natashina]

Hmm, I may have to give them more party time if I do another play-through. I do recall the conversation about Fenris becoming a general, but not the others.

And while I doubt there would be any issue around the Inquisitor being Dalish, I don't think the same can be said about the Inqusitor being a Mage, especially after what happened in Kirkwall,regardless of outcome. They had ten years to learn to trust Merrill and (possibly) Hawke. I'm not sure a Mage inquisitor of any race would receive the same.

That alone almost makes me want to try a Dalish mage for my first run.  I'll probably stick to rogue (torn between Dalish and Dwarf,) since I find it easier to learn the general combat system that way.  Still, you have piqued my interest sir.  

[LobselVith8]

Sure, I'll bite.

 

The Dalish philosophies are interesting and I'm very curious to how they'll be portrayed and I am looking forward to both learn more about them and most importantly learn how different Dalish individuals interpret them differently.

 

Sadly, I don't think the PC will be the primary lense through which it's explored. NPCs will handle that. We will likely only at best be able to express agreement or disagreement to any one policy, with only slightly more context than a non-dalish (remember that this conversation will be neccessity be available to all pcs).

 

As for how a Dalish pc might be able to follow the Vir'Atishan... it depends... does it require absolute pacifism?

 

Very little is given about The Way of Three Trees and The Way of Peace, so I'm not certain if absolute pacifism is intended. It addresses the healer and the mender, as Jedi pointed out, but it's a rather brief entry. The difficulty of the path may imply as much. If it'd adopted into the specialization path by the developers, it could be the Dalish equivalent of the Spirit Healer (sans spirits).

 

I really hope Inquisition explores the two Ways a bit more.

 

I'm fairly certain Fenris was Andrastian even prior, just of the Imperial Chantry. He is a city elf after all.

 

As for how they'd react? That depends on the Dalish warden, now doesn't it? Curiosity initially in all cases though, I'd expect.

 

As a slave, I'm not certain if he was under the Imperial Chantry (especially with Danarius as the slave master). That's simply how it came across to me, but I don't think we're explicitly told one way or the other. Regardless, I always thought the budding friendship between Sebastian and Fenris was nice.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yes I also had this impression,however it is hinted that, those who follow the Vir Atish'an usually avoid violence. As it emphasized that it's "a harder path to tread".

 

Out of topic,But I wonder,if our Dalish inquisitor will be a memeber of a clan we've already heard of (Ralaferin,Alerion)or a completely new clan we weren't introduced in the game.The Ralaferin clan particularly seems to have contributed greatly into the preservation of Dalish lore.It will be interesting if our pc was a member of this clan.

 

That would make sense, sort of like a Dalish version of the Hippocratic oath maybe.

 

Regarding Fenris, I think he was always sort of vaguely Andrastian. But knowing Sebastian maybe made him put a little bit more effort into his religion.

 

When Anders asked him if he ever thought about killing himself (presumably during his time in Tevinter), he said it was a sin against the Maker. And at one point he tells Sebastian that "his faith was never strong." But he's still talking about the life back in the Imperium.

[LobselVith8]

Yes I also had this impression,however it is hinted that, those who follow the Vir Atish'an usually avoid violence. As it emphasized that it's "a harder path to tread".

 

That's a very good point.

 

Out of topic,But I wonder,if our Dalish inquisitor will be a memeber of a clan we've already heard of (Ralaferin,Alerion)or a completely new clan we weren't introduced in the game.The Ralaferin clan particularly seems to have contributed greatly into the preservation of Dalish lore.It will be interesting if our pc was a member of this clan.

 

I was wondering about that for Inquisitor Lavellan. Given the role Clan Ralaferin has played in establishing the lore of the People, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dalish protagonist was from the same clan. Perhaps even a descendant of Keeper Gisharel.

[Mistic]

The Dalish philosophies are interesting and I'm very curious to how they'll be portrayed and I am looking forward to both learn more about them and most importantly learn how different Dalish individuals interpret them differently.

 

Sadly, I don't think the PC will be the primary lense through which it's explored. NPCs will handle that. We will likely only at best be able to express agreement or disagreement to any one policy, with only slightly more context than a non-dalish (remember that this conversation will be neccessity be available to all pcs).

 

As for how a Dalish pc might be able to follow the Vir'Atishan... it depends... does it require absolute pacifism?

 

Ah, yes, the main problem with the dialogue system in DA. We, the players, can have lengthy discussions about this matters for years, but in-game our characters can only say a couple of lines. Although one could say our characters will talk through their actions.

 

As for the Vir Atish'an, little can be said for now, since the only thing we know about it comes from a pair of gloves (a bit depressing, if you think about it). From a gameplay point of view, it seems to point to a Dalish Mage Inquisitor, probably a healer. Paradoxically, an orthodox Dalish mage wouldn't choose the Spirit Healer specialization because they're afraid of spirit magic. As for roleplay, I doubt it would be a pacifist run, but a paragon run.

 

"Guys, guys, don't fight. The world is ending, you know. Why not stop this petty fight, save the world and then we can discuss this matter in a civilized way? I can bring something for a meal, my clan makes this amazing cold meat that..."

"Kill the stupid knife-ear so we can go on killing each other for no sensible reason!"

"..."

(Several minutes of screams later)

"You guys are very lucky I'm a master in the healing arts. Those nasty bruises, broken bones and bleeding wounds could have killed you if not properly treated".

"But you did this to us!"

"Sorry, were you saying anything? I couldn't hear you well"

"Nothing, nothing, Your Eminence!"

"Good. As I was saying, there's this delicious meat that..."

[Star fury]

Looks like every thread turns into a mage - templar thread.

[Mistic]

That's a very good point.

 

 

I was wondering about that for Inquisitor Lavellan. Given the role Clan Ralaferin has played in establishing the lore of the People, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dalish protagonist was from the same clan. Perhaps even a descendant of Keeper Gisharel.

 

An interesting possibility. Do we know how many clans are there and where do they names come from?

[LobselVith8]

An interesting possibility. Do we know how many clans are there and where do they names come from?

 

The exact amount has never been given, but there are clans all over Thedas. Apparently, they are all different from each other; some isolate themselves, while others interact and trade with humans. Aside from Zathrian's clan, Velanna's clan, Ariane's clan, and the Sabrae clan, Zevran mentioned a dangerous clan in Antiva City, and (at the very old board) Gaider mentioned a semi-permanent settlement of Dalish in Rivain.

[Grieving Natashina]

Looks like every thread turns into a mage - templar thread.

You sound surprised by this.  The best thing to do is to try to direct it into a relevant thread.

[Lorien19]

An interesting possibility. Do we know how many clans are there and where do they names come from?

So far,we only have 3 named clans (Ralaferin,Alerion,Sabrae)and also encountered 5 unnamed clans in the game and books.

Of course,there are bound to be more throughout Thedas.

As far the the surname is concerned,I have the impression that the inquisitor's surnames will all have a significant meaning lore-wise,I believe that,like house Cadash,the Ralaferin clan was mentioned for a reason in the codex entries of the previews games.It would make sense if Inquisitor Lavellan hailed from a renown clan like the Ralaferin considering their significance in preserving the lore.Although we could also be from a clan we haven't heard of until now.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You sound surprised by this.  The best thing to do is to try to direct it into a relevant thread.

 

Every Mage-Templar thread goes off topic about the Dalish. Every Dalish thread goes off topic about Mages and Templars.

[Sir JK]

Very little is given about The Way of Three Trees and The Way of Peace, so I'm not certain if absolute pacifism is intended. It addresses the healer and the mender, as Jedi pointed out, but it's a rather brief entry. The difficulty of the path may imply as much. If it'd adopted into the specialization path by the developers, it could be the Dalish equivalent of the Spirit Healer (sans spirits).

 

I really hope Inquisition explores the two Ways a bit more.

 

Agreed. Learning more about Dalish philosophy, religion and ideally art would make me very happy

 

As a slave, I'm not certain if he was under the Imperial Chantry (especially with Danarius as the slave master). That's simply how it came across to me, but I don't think we're explicitly told one way or the other. Regardless, I always thought the budding friendship between Sebastian and Fenris was nice.

 

Where else would they go for solace if not to the Chantry? But I agree that it was nice, I should use those two together more often...

 

I was wondering about that for Inquisitor Lavellan. Given the role Clan Ralaferin has played in establishing the lore of the People, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dalish protagonist was from the same clan. Perhaps even a descendant of Keeper Gisharel.

 

Or we'll meet him. It's a big name Dalish and chances are we'll meet some and the main sources of Chantry lore are both alive: so why not the Dalish one?

 

Besides... who better to discuss the nuances of the Vir'Atishan than the big loremaster himself

 

Ah, yes, the main problem with the dialogue system in DA. We, the players, can have lengthy discussions about this matters for years, but in-game our characters can only say a couple of lines. Although one could say our characters will talk through their actions.

 

As for the Vir Atish'an, little can be said for now, since the only thing we know about it comes from a pair of gloves (a bit depressing, if you think about it). From a gameplay point of view, it seems to point to a Dalish Mage Inquisitor, probably a healer. Paradoxically, an orthodox Dalish mage wouldn't choose the Spirit Healer specialization because they're afraid of spirit magic. As for roleplay, I doubt it would be a pacifist run, but a paragon run.

 

"Guys, guys, don't fight. The world is ending, you know. Why not stop this petty fight, save the world and then we can discuss this matter in a civilized way? I can bring something for a meal, my clan makes this amazing cold meat that..."

"Kill the stupid knife-ear so we can go on killing each other for no sensible reason!"

"..."

(Several minutes of screams later)

"You guys are very lucky I'm a master in the healing arts. Those nasty bruises, broken bones and bleeding wounds could have killed you if not properly treated".

"But you did this to us!"

"Sorry, were you saying anything? I couldn't hear you well"

"Nothing, nothing, Your Eminence!"

"Good. As I was saying, there's this delicious meat that..."

 

Yeah. It was a rethorical question and this is what I aimed at.

[Divine Justinia V]

Every Mage-Templar thread goes off topic about the Dalish. Every Dalish thread goes off topic about Mages and Templars.

 

It's a vicious cycle

[Dean_the_Young]

You sound surprised by this.  The best thing to do is to try to direct it into a relevant thread.

 

Or to a far more interesting world-building concept- like Nug Condoms.

[Grieving Natashina]

Or to a far more interesting world-building concept- like Nug Condoms.

You start the thread.  I'll make the coffee and bring the popcorn.  Last night was crazy and a lot of fun in the Uneven thread.  It was also proof that even a bunch of gaming nerds that completely disagree about story and lore can still giggle together in the middle of the night.  

 

I don't know how long a thread about birth control in Thedas would last though.  It sounds like it would hit a very grey area with the TOS/TOU.

[Lorien19]

Agreed. Learning more about Dalish philosophy, religion and ideally art would make me very happy

 

 

 

 

Where else would they go for solace if not to the Chantry? But I agree that it was nice, I should use those two together more often...

 

 

Or we'll meet him. It's a big name Dalish and chances are we'll meet some and the main sources of Chantry lore are both alive: so why not the Dalish one?

 

Besides... who better to discuss the nuances of the Vir'Atishan than the big loremaster himself

 

 

Yeah. It was a rethorical question and this is what I aimed at.

That would be grand!Especially if our inquisitor turns out to be a member of his clan!A mage inquisitor in particular could be his first...Interesting!That would be a good chance to learn more about the Dalish,

[LobselVith8]

That would be grand!Especially if our inquisitor turns out to be a member of his clan!A mage inquisitor in particular could be his first...Interesting!That would be a good chance to learn more about the Dalish,

 

A First would make sense. The character wouldn't have the responsibility of leading the clan, but would be informed about much of the history, culture, and legends of the People. If the presumed cataclysm takes place with the First present, that character might possess some information about some of the creatures pouring out from the Beyond that no one else is privy to.

[Divine Justinia V]

A First would make sense. The character wouldn't have the responsibility of leading the clan, but would be informed about much of the history, culture, and legends of the People. If the presumed cataclysm takes place with the First present, that character might possess some information about some of the creatures pouring out from the Beyond that no one else is privy to.

 

I really hope it's a First.

[Mistic]

Or we'll meet him. It's a big name Dalish and chances are we'll meet some and the main sources of Chantry lore are both alive: so why not the Dalish one?

 

Besides... who better to discuss the nuances of the Vir'Atishan than the big loremaster himself

 

Oh, yes, nice idea! If Keeper Gisharel is alive, it's a grand opportunity. Wait, does it mean that if we're from his clan and we are mages we would be his First?

 

Meeting Genitivi in DA:O was very interesting. He's my favourite codex source. Now, if he survives the quest for the Sacred Ashes (or even if he didn't, after what happened to Leliana), maybe he could make a cameo. The Inquisition needs good historians, so let's get Genitivi, Gisharel and Petrine!

 

Or to a far more interesting world-building concept- like Nug Condoms.

That sounds intriguing, to say the least

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A First would make sense. The character wouldn't have the responsibility of leading the clan, but would be informed about much of the history, culture, and legends of the People. If the presumed cataclysm takes place with the First present, that character might possess some information about some of the creatures pouring out from the Beyond that no one else is privy to.

And I guess the Warrior/Rogue will just be a hunter like in Origins then?

[Grieving Natashina]

I really hope it's a First.

Given the trend that's been going so far between Awakening and DA2, it seems likely.

[LobselVith8]

Oh, yes, nice idea! If Keeper Gisharel is alive, it's a grand opportunity. Wait, does it mean that if we're from his clan and we are mages we would be his First?

 

Not necessarily. Aneirin the Healer was a mage, but he wasn't in the position of being First. Lanaya had to contend with several others for the position of First. Elora, the Halla tender, is a mage. That said, I think the Dalish mage being the First holds a lot of interesting possibilities.

 

And I guess the Warrior/Rogue will just be a hunter like in Origins then?

 

Possibly. They could be in the company of one of the Hahren.

[Iron Fist]

I hope we are introduced to a new clan.