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[BronzTrooper]

On the outside:  I approve.

 

On the inside:  **** YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I thought racial options would never return, and the developers proved me wrong. You never know. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the racial option to be an Alienage elf returned.

That would require two more voice actors due to different accents at least. It could happen, but I'm no longer getting any hopes up. We see where that led me.

[Master Warder Z_]

Refusing to surrender their religion and heritage doesn't mean the Dalish are in denial.

 

Denial the action of declaring something untrue.

 

.-. What is true? Humanity is the dominant and majority species of Thedas.

 

Having some cling to the delusion that they can be a major power again when they are a but a shattered fragment a minority, of a minority.

 

What is that is that if not denial? 

 

Hence my preference for elves who actually know their station, Living alongside the victors isn't especially bad compared to denying what is true.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Denial the action of declaring something untrue.

 

.-. What is true? Humanity is the dominant and majority species of Thedas.

 

Having some cling to the delusion that they can be a major power again when they are a but a shattered fragment a minority, of a minority.

 

What is that is that if not denial? 

 

Hence my preference for elves who actually know their station, Living alongside the victors isn't especially bad compared to denying what is true.

Well, the situation for the city folk needs changing. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, the situation for the city folk needs changing. 

 

You already know my stance on that.

 

I have no problem with an elven Nation coexisting alongside Humanity.

 

I already look to the Witcher for Parallels that could be applicable here.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You already know my stance on that.

 

I have no problem with an elven Nation coexisting alongside Humanity.

 

I already look to the Witcher for Parallels that could be applicable here.

Indeed. We have a very good, positive discussion on that situation. It was a nice change to the usual arguing that tends to plague threads on the issue.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Boo! We gotta be a Native American ripoff instead of a struggling jim crow era African American ripoff. What a letter down and ball drop by the devs, but I guess every winning streaks has to have its duds.

I hope we get to be a dalish who is disowned/disowns the dalish in game, or I know which race I would be playing as.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Actually, I'm really disappointed by this. City Elf was my favourite origin from the first game, and that whole alienage culture is an interesting setting that offers a lot of opportunities for roleplaying. They're also a lot more sympathetic, especially considering how I can count the Dalish I like on one hand (Merrill, Lanaya, Athras, and maybe Velenna). I know from a practical design standpoint, something needs to get cut, but it's very disappointing all the same. I would have loved to play as an Orlesian Elf rebel, fighting against the Grand Duke's forces, or seeing how the fallout from the Blight and your choice as Ferelden's ruler affected the lot of the Fereldan elves. I wouldn't mind playing as a Dalish, but the lack of a City Elf option rather sucks.

[Savvie]

I approve dalish only option. Honestly, I wasn't expecting anything as indepth for our character's background like it was in DA Origins. I'm just happy that race choices are being included, anything added on top of that is a bonus.

[LobselVith8]

Denial the action of declaring something untrue.

.-. What is true? Humanity is the dominant and majority species of Thedas.

Having some cling to the delusion that they can be a major power again when they are a but a shattered fragment a minority, of a minority.

What is that is that if not denial?

Hence my preference for elves who actually know their station, Living alongside the victors isn't especially bad compared to denying what is true.

I don't see anything delusional about the Dalish wanting a kingdom where elves aren't limited to being nothing more than servants to human lords, or where their religion is outlawed.

Also, the Alienage elves are segregated in dilapidated ghettos, and can suffer death en mass due to purges. That's their station in life, unless they fight for better.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't see anything delusional about the Dalish wanting a kingdom where elves aren't limited to being nothing more than servants to human lords, or where their religion is outlawed.

Also, the Alienage elves are segregated in dilapidated ghettos, and can suffer death en mass due to purges. That's their station in life, unless they fight for better.

 

The Dalish Master race propaganda again eh?

 

Sorry for popping the Dalish delusion bubble for you but the prior twelve hundred or so years in Thedosian History wasn't a dream.

 

The Dalish aren't magically going to outnumber humanity and the city elves station is far superior to living in the back end of nowhere of whatever random forest a Halla decides to drag them to like their backwoods counterparts.

 

When they stop living in the past and actually accept reality for what it is, I think an era of cordiality could extend between the two races but not until then.

[BlueMagitek]

As much as I love discussing city elf vs. dalish elf, save it for another topic, this is about the Dalish Inquisitor being the Elf Inquisitor.

 

It's okay, one day the casteless dwarf and city elf will get their own showings. ~_^

[Xilizhra]

the city elves station is far superior to living in the back end of nowhere of whatever random forest a Halla decides to drag them to like their backwoods counterparts.

If it is, you've more or less torpedoed the argument that Dalish aren't magically reversing the Quickening, as it's explicitly said that Dalish live longer than city elves and have much healthier lifestyles. Not being subject to urban violence is also a plus.

[LobselVith8]

The Dalish Master race propaganda again eh?

Sorry for popping the Dalish delusion bubble for you but the prior twelve hundred or so years in Thedosian History wasn't a dream.

The Dalish aren't magically going to outnumber humanity and the city elves station is far superior to living in the back end of nowhere of whatever random forest a Halla decides to drag them to like their backwoods counterparts.

When they stop living in the past and actually accept reality for what it is, I think an era of cordiality could extend between the two races but not until then.

Invoking Godwin's Law makes it incredibly difficult to take you seriously. I don't know why you keep doing it.

I don't see anything delusional about the aspiration for the Dalish to have a homeland where all elves can work towards building a bright future together.

You seem more interested in a vision where elves are living under the boot of humanity for perpetuity. With rumors of an elven rebellion, the city elves may no longer be limited to a life of servitude.

[Master Warder Z_]

Invoking Godwin's Law makes it incredibly difficult to take you seriously. I don't know why you keep doing it.

I don't see anything delusional about the aspiration for the Dalish to have a homeland where all elves can work towards building a bright future together.

You seem more interested in a vision where elves are living under the boot of humanity for perpetuity. With rumors of an elven rebellion, the city elves may no longer be limited to a life of servitude.

 

I'm probably not the first person to point this out to you but the concept of Superior Humans, Master Race and Supermen predates Nazism, National Socialism and even Eugenics. So Godwin's Law really isn't applicable here.

 

Nothing delusional about dreaming, but ultimately that is just a dream, they are too few, have too much near universal dislike to ever amount to anything with out Human assistance, Hence why i'd say the Valley of the Flowers is about the best the Elves can expect, still a Kingdom is a kingdom, vassal or no.

 

And considering they were acting interest of one of the warring factions over the over, i'd take that as a conclusion the city elves are following Gaspard, won't be known for certain until the Book releases though, already preodered it though.

[BlueMagitek]

How about we all just take my advice, take your current line of discussion to a PM so the topic isn't locked, and go back to talking about how the City Elf is no longer best Inquisitor?

[Master Warder Z_]

If it is, you've more or less torpedoed the argument that Dalish aren't magically reversing the Quickening, as it's explicitly said that Dalish live longer than city elves and have much healthier lifestyles. Not being subject to urban violence is also a plus.

 

Stated by what? A Comment by a Dev that may or may not be valid anymore? WOT doesn't cover it, i have successfully read the entire thing now Learned my lesson from before. A Codex that may or may not be accurate anymore? What states that? Dev comments state Qunari outlive humans due to technological advancement and superior medicines, don't recall anything about the Dalish.

[Master Warder Z_]

How about we all just take my advice, take your current line of discussion to a PM so the topic isn't locked, and go back to talking about how the City Elf is no longer best Inquisitor?

 

Fair enough with me.

 

Even though City elf is better

[Kimarous]

Denial the action of declaring something untrue.

 

.-. What is true? Humanity is the dominant and majority species of Thedas.

 

Having some cling to the delusion that they can be a major power again when they are a but a shattered fragment a minority, of a minority.

 

What is that is that if not denial? 

 

Hence my preference for elves who actually know their station, Living alongside the victors isn't especially bad compared to denying what is true.

 

Welp, guess the protagonists of Origins and Inquisition are in denial, too.

 

I mean, the Fereldan Wardens recovering after being reduced to just two (known) members, or reviving an archaic organization that hasn't existed in a millennium? Minorities with delusions of grandeur!

[Xilizhra]

Stated by what? A Comment by a Dev that may or may not be valid anymore? WOT doesn't cover it, i have successfully read the entire thing now Learned my lesson from before. A Codex that may or may not be accurate anymore? What states that? Dev comments state Qunari outlive humans due to technological advancement and superior medicines, don't recall anything about the Dalish.

No, by one of the characters at the Dalish camp in DAO.

[BlueMagitek]

Fair enough with me.

 

Even though City elf is better

 

Oh, I don't disagree. 

 

I can understand why they're doing it, and I'm glad the option is in there at all.  I just would have liked to see the City Elf and Casteless more.  I have something of a sweet spot for climbing up from the bottom rung of society (or in the casteless' case, not on the ladder at all).

[Xilizhra]

Oh, I don't disagree. 

 

I can understand why they're doing it, and I'm glad the option is in there at all.  I just would have liked to see the City Elf and Casteless more.  I have something of a sweet spot for climbing up from the bottom rung of society (or in the casteless' case, not on the ladder at all).

The Dalish are also not on the ladder at all.

[LobselVith8]

I'm probably not the first person to point this out to you but the concept of Superior Humans, Master Race and Supermen predates Nazism, National Socialism and even Eugenics. So Godwin's Law really isn't applicable here.

Nothing delusional about dreaming, but ultimately that is just a dream, they are too few, have too much near universal dislike to ever amount to anything with out Human assistance, Hence why i'd say the Valley of the Flowers is about the best the Elves can expect, still a Kingdom is a kingdom, vassal or no.

And considering they were acting interest of one of the warring factions over the over, i'd take that as a conclusion the city elves are following Gaspard, won't be known for certain until the Book releases though, already preodered it though.

We both know why you're doing it. I don't know why you don't simply knock it off with that crap, and why you seem so insistent on turning discussions so ugly. The snide remarks aren't doing anything to bolster your statements.

As for the Dalish, I've read nothing from you so far to show that their goal is impossible or improbable.

Regarding the city elves, I hope better for them than being relegated to serving as marginalized elven foot soldiers to either faction, like Gaspard.

[Master Warder Z_]

Welp, guess the protagonists of Origins and Inquisition are in denial, too.

 

I mean, the Fereldan Wardens recovering after being reduced to just two (known) members, or reviving an archaic organization that hasn't existed in a millennium? Minorities with delusions of grandeur!

 

The Wardens are a decreasing Order in the Grand Scheme of things, It's true many Nations only boast a few dozen with several others boasting a few hundred with the Anderfels hosting the majority of the Order.

 

And the Inquistion is a organization by what Dev comments have revealed is a third party entity that will grow based on the effects the inquisition reaches with the major players.

 

Growing because your the current lackey of a guild leader or King isn't measurement to be compared to a dwindling species in my eye.

[Xilizhra]

I'm curious... what would you do if this affair depopulated humanity to the point where elves were significantly closer to numeric parity?