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[Rainbow Wyvern]

What happened to this thread while I was sleeping...?   

[AresKeith]

I wouldn't say Bioware failed with trying a different story in DA2, I feel that if it had more development time the story would've been handled better

[Mathias]

To me yes. DA2 in my mind was just filler, and doesn't exactly have a whole lot of replay value in comparison to Origins.

[Realmzmaster]

You cannot speak for the majority because you have won nothing. Many of the posters in this thread alone have said they liked the story. Unless you have polled everyone who bought DA2 you cannot speak for the majority nor the minority. You show me where you have conducted a poll (that includes every buyer of DA2) that shows that the majority did not like the story. Otherwise as I said you are only speaking for yourself. Even a politician knows when he/she is voicing their personal opinion. 

 

They only speak for their constituents after they have polled their constituents on what they think to do otherwise is political suicide. 

When i say majority i don't speak for minority....it is like politic, party A win and the winner talk like everyone vote for him. It is not something to argue about, it is a common pratice

 

 

 

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes it should, because it is a GAME...if you made a movie then you can make a movie of a failed hero but look at the audience, never make a movie of a failed hero in India or the cinema got burned down...

 

So for a game, heroes must like Greek epic...

But having the same thing over and over again gets repetitive after a while. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There are a lot of Greek heroes, doesn't mean always must be like Hercules

 

You know Spartacus? He's Tracian, got captured and enslaved, then become gladiator. He and gladiators rebel against Rome. Although he died in the end but Spartacus is a hero, not like Hawke

 

Spartacus have his philosophy, have his struggle, he carry on his followers to the end, fighting against all odds, got betrayed by ally, got betrayed by his own men, but he died a hero...heroically and epic

Umm, the side Hawke sides with in the end hail Hawke as a hero, just like Kirkwall does for saving them from the Arishok and his troops. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And what did Hawke fail to do to become an epic fail?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I disagree, epic fail heroes are awesome, im tired to death of all the "save the world while looking fabulous" stories, i want a story where no matter what you do you fail and everyone you care about dies

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I disagree, epic fail heroes are awesome, im tired to death of all the "save the world while looking fabulous" stories, i want a story where no matter what you do you fail and everyone you care about dies

I recommend anything classified as a Cthulhuian Horror.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You ask me that?

 

What is Hawke fighting for?

Yes, I ask you that.

 

Why do you think Hawke is an epic fail? And I want objective answers, not personal opinions.

[Senya]

I wouldn't call it a fail so much as things being too big for Hawke. That and he/she doesn't have the benefit of existing outside the game. They survive. That counts for something.

[Majestic Jazz]

Qistina, just give it up already! You are becoming very annoying. There are billions of human beings on this planet, it is okay if a few of them do not follow your opinions or beliefs.

 

Okay, we get it, Hawke was an epic fail story, congrats, that is your opinion. Just like my opinion is that Hawke story is probably one of the better character stories told not only by Bioware, but in videogames in general. Yet you do not see me going around bashing others for not agreeing with me. Why did you hijack this thread anyway?

 

Can we get back on topic in regards to DA:I being more like Origins and less like DA2?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Alright

 

i. Hawke run from the Blight eventually go to Kirkwal

ii. Hawke doing jobs for money to support an expedition to save her butt from Templars

iii. 3 years later Hawke is known as a noble, 3 years she live as a noble

iv. there's an unrest in the city, Hawke somehow stumbling upon it

v. the unrest is cause by two opposite religious belief, one of them going rampage

vi. Hwke manage to kill the leader of the extremist, or talk to him to get out from the city

vii. 3 years later Hawke is known as The Champion

viii. Hawke stumble upon conflict between Mages and Templars

ix. A church blow up, the Templar want to kill all Mages

x. Hawke choose her side

xi. both faction turn on her

xii. after killing everyone, Hawke left the city or become a governor for short period

xiii. Hawke is missing

 

Epic Fail

1) Warden also fled from Ostagar, or was fled from it to be more accurate. Staying at Ostagar would have been more of a failure since it was a lost cause.

2)Or Bethany from Templars. I don't see how trying to survive and better your family's life is a failure.

3) So?

4) So Hawke stopped issues from happening. Doesn't sound like a failure.

5) Has nothing to do with Hawke except those factions have the entirety of Kirkwall along for the ride.

6) So Hawke stops a war. That's the opposite of failure.

7) Hawke is rewarded for heroism.

8) Like the Qunari, that issue engulfs the entire city to varying degrees.

9) Nothing to do with Hawke.

10) Okay, and?

11) No, an individual of the ally faction turns on Hawke either due to becoming a mindless monster or due to Red Lyrium.

12) Only if sided with Templars, and they restore order if they do so again opposite of failure.

13) Warden is missing as well.

 

I don't see how Hawke was a failure in this.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Qistina, just give it up already! You are becoming very annoying. There are billions of human beings on this planet, it is okay if a few of them do not follow your opinions or beliefs.

 

Okay, we get it, Hawke was an epic fail story, congrats, that is your opinion. Just like my opinion is that Hawke story is probably one of the better character stories told not only by Bioware, but in videogames in general. Yet you do not see me going around bashing others for not agreeing with me. Why did you hijack this thread anyway?

 

Can we get back on topic in regards to DA:I being more like Origins and less like DA2?

I will. I was just curious why Qistina thought what she thought.

[Senya]

I'm kind of hoping the human is nobility. I liked how people reacted to my Cousland Warden. More reactivity to backgrounds in general is satisfying to me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm kind of hoping the human is nobility. I liked how people reacted to my Cousland Warden. More reactivity to backgrounds in general is satisfying to me.

Considering how the other options are either races people scorn openly(Elves and Qunari) or tolerate(Dwarves), the human will probably be seen in higher standing for a different experience. Well, the Human Nonmage anyway.

[Senya]

True. Except for dwarves, of course. Dwarves are fairly respected. Then there's racism from the Dalish and suspicion from the City Elves.

[Iron Fist]

Inquisition should be it's own game and stand alone, paying minimal reverence to the previous installments in the series.

[KaiserShep]

Qistina, just give it up already! You are becoming very annoying. There are billions of human beings on this planet, it is okay if a few of them do not follow your opinions or beliefs.

 

Okay, we get it, Hawke was an epic fail story, congrats, that is your opinion. Just like my opinion is that Hawke story is probably one of the better character stories told not only by Bioware, but in videogames in general. Yet you do not see me going around bashing others for not agreeing with me. Why did you hijack this thread anyway?

 

Can we get back on topic in regards to DA:I being more like Origins and less like DA2?

 

I agree about Hawke. Personally, I found it to be a refreshing change of pace, but then I really don't like what the Grey Warden order entails, despite its necessity. Not having to join them is one of the pluses I found with DA2, as well as DA:I.

 

As for the topic at hand, though I don't know the details, I get the feeling that it will be something like Awakenings, of course, insofar that it will be like how the Warden increases the strength of Vigil's Keep, rather than gathering armies to fight a singular enemy.

[Zeldrik1389]

To be completely honest, I have to give DA 2 some credit for, at the very least, trying to get away from the whole "saving the world" cliche in video games. If you think about it, there are a lot of video games out there that have something to do with saving the world, from Final fantasy, Dragon Quest, Diablo, to Halo, Mass effect...etc.. It seems like the oldest of the old stories and yet we keep going back to it over and over again.

 

DA 2 actually had some nice ideas, chose to focus on smaller scale matters (conflict between groups of people), and how one is powerless in the time of changes and revolution. And to be honest, I would much rather having something like that than another saving the world story.

 

HOWEVER, all those got butchered, and this is a good example of how stupid execution can kill brilliant ideas. Personally I think it's the short production time, as if they couldn't even read or edit their own work, and just went right away with the first drafts. In the end, things are supposed to be emotional (Losing family members one after another), or exciting (the Expenditure, Quinary conflict), or the drama (Mage vs Templar) turned out to be shallow and bland, especially Act 2 and 3. One story per act is definitely not enough development, not to mention those 2 acts were surprisingly short in the first place.

 

All in all, I wouldn't say DA2's story was great. Many might like it, but to me, DA2 story is on the same level with, say, Twilight. Everything is on the surface, set out to be dramatic, but end up messy and shallow. Not the worst thing I've seen / read / played though, but definitely not good, at least in my book.

 

Anyhow, I'd hope DA:I might be different but seems like they are going back to the saving the world bit. I guess it's understandable. After DA 2 disappointment and ME 3's ending backlash, they probably don't want to take anymore risk, and good old saving the world is a safe bet. 

[KaiserShep]

Twilight? As one that considers Twilight to be a cancerous plague upon my frontal lobe, this is madness indeed.

[lyleoffmyspace]

How many people have only read the title and replied and paid no attention to my actual post?

[CaptainSpringye]

It seems like they are continuing on from Dragon Age 2, where the mages do something wrong and the fade opens into the world of Thedas, I get the idea of it may be similar to DAO with the whole, "stopping the fade demons instead of the darkspawn threat", but I am not really sure what to think of it yet in that much detail.

I like the idea / story of Dragon Age 2 but I feel it shouldn't have been a sequel ("2"), rather a side-story game which happened somewhere else based on Hawke's life. Dragon Age inquisition is that expansive sequel game, yet still continues from DA2, and with the huge world opened up for you, and REAL IMPACT made on the world through your decisions, this game will definately be one I will be playing for a long time. From the look of things they have definately learnt from the rushed mistakes of DA2 and will be continuing the DAO style gameplay, but improved which should be good

[Realmzmaster]

Metacritic?

 

http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

 

You are joking right? If you use Metacritic where people were reviewing the game and giving it zero or ten before it was released? Metacritic only gets opinion from those who bothered to use it. Knowing that fact you can assure me that everyone that bought DA2 has registered their opinion with Metacritic?. I can assure that I am one who has not. So my opinion is not reflected in the majority you are attempting to represent. Also did you read all the reviews on Metacritic to ascertain whether the story was the big problem with DA2?

 

Metacritic is no more or less accurate than the polls taken here on the BSN. Neither has much validity or reliability.