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[Sir DeLoria]

Or..  you play as the Asari daughter of Shepard..

Then no one would play the game.

[von uber]

Then no one would play the game.

 

 

[Sir DeLoria]

My waifu is better than yours

[Reorte]

Wow, the new forum doesn't even support multiple quotes for point-by-point refutation. One step forwards, two hundred steps back, right? 

 

I think they do but it's a bit clunky (new quote, copy and past the bits in)

 

 

Made-up quoted text

Let me know if there's a better way.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Then clearly you have a sucky imagination.

No, no. I just like for a story to be internally consistent. Maybe why I hate Halo so much. 

[DeinonSlayer]

I think they do but it's a bit clunky (new quote, copy and past the bits in)

I notice a distinct lack of quote pyramids.

[von uber]

Funny to think though that all it probably might of taken is a variant of this picture slipped into one of the endings to quell a lot of disappointment.
Ah well.

Even funnier when I recall on my first ever play through I was so confused by the ending I accidentally ended up with the refuse ending as I was like 'well those three choices are clearly bollocks, what's the real outcome to this?'.

[MrMrPendragon]

Actually, we can still pick destroy if all it boils down to are rebuilt galaxy, no reapers, synthetics are present.

In a 200 years, everything should be rebuilt, maybe not to the way it was before the Reaper War, but the economy should be stable enough and most people will have recovered from the war.

While time-jumping doesn't resolve the whole "canon" problem, it does resolve the 3 things the first post listed. In my opinion, it can either be high ems Destroy or high ems Control, not Synthesis, because the bottomline is more or less the same for both Destroy or Control. The only difference is the fate of Shepard.

[Xilizhra]

I agree, but more importantly, I think it'll be best for the next ME game to reboot the franchise completely.

[CronoDragoon]

You just hit multiquote on each post you want to quote, then click the little popup in the bottom right that comes up when you're ready to post.

 

Edit: Ah, you guys meant breaking up a single quote. Nevermind!

[LeandroBraz]

Unless, of course, you had actually bothered to watch the Control epilogue in which case you know that the AI entity will install a police state where "the few" will be protected via an armada of invincible superdreadnoughts. The AI entity cannot possibly enforce any kind of peace unless it retained the Reapers' military force. 

 

 

 

This open a wildly range of possibilities, like religions being created around Shepard, "prophecies" about his return, maybe some fanatics doing "his will"

The same applies to the other endings because religions, by definition, ignore the facts anyway. 

 

 

 

If this isn't appealing to you, they doesn't need to be alive in control. Shepard might just rebuild and after sometime realize that the best solution, the best way to start a new era is to get rid of them

You need to stop referring to the AI entity as "Shepard" - if you had actually watched the control epilogue, you'd know that the AI entity makes it absolutely clear that it is not Shepard. In any case, that completely defeats the point of Destroy (keeping the Reapers because they are useful tools) if you are going to destroy them anyway - all you get is a leg up with rebuilding the relays and stuff, at the cost of major inconsistencies in the actions of the various characters.

 

 

 

He might just send them to the nearest star and you will have the same outcome of destroy but with benefits (my next two points). Shepard might go with them to die or keep one reaper to "be" him

Scratch the above, maybe you should try actually looking at the ME3 ending before you write about it. 

 

 

The synthetics won't be destroyed. I like the outcome of Rannoch where both races survive. Why? Because it create an interesting scenario to explore. How Rannoch will be some years after ME3 with Quarian and Geth living together? They will live in peace, with an almost symbiotic relationship like Drell and Hanar, or there will be factions that can't get over the hate and will bring conflicts back to Rannoch? It's a disservice to the franchise to kill this possibilities and control solve this issue by keeping them alive.

So, you are fine with retconning the events of Rannoch but not the destruction of synthetics in Destroy? You are just arbitrarily listing the advantages of your choice whilst ignoring the fact that the other choice has the same advantage

 

"I think everyone would love to have this iconic station back, right? Well, control make it possible."

Yes, I'm sure everyone would love to keep a reminder of how the Reapers who now patrol the streets murdered millions of your people. 

 

"TLDR: ME need a canon and control have the potential to offer the best scenario to build the franchise upon, considering that you don't need to keep the reapers around (or even alive), the synthetics survive and the galaxy will rebuild faster."

How long it takes to rebuild is irrelevant because there is no reason to think that the next game will be set within five years of the ending of ME3 just because the next game will is released within five years of ME3 - whether it takes 10 years or a 1000 years to rebuild will only change whether ME4 starts with "10 years after the destruction of the Reapers" or "1000 years after the destruction of the Reapers".

 

Wow, the new forum doesn't even support multiple quotes for point-by-point refutation. One step forwards, two hundred steps back, right? 

• If you had bothered to at least take a look at the first page, to see if this was already discussed, you would know that yes, I bothered to see the epilogue. You can read my opinion there.
• I know he isn't Shepard, for clarity sake I should have called it something else, but this doesn't affect my point. I'm talking about a possible canon, I have no compromise with preserving the point of destroy, I'm trying to defend control as a good foundation for ME universe continuity, it's irrelevant for my argument if it affect the meaning of destroy since in this scenario it would stay confined to the trilogy. 
• I don't get where you saw a retcon in my Rannoch example. I'm merely talking about the possibilities that Quarian and Geth living together bring. I'm picking one specific outcome of the Rannoch arc since, again, I'm talking about a possible canon. I'm merely giving an example of a situation that we might lose with the Geth dead.
• One of the complaints about ME3 in this last two years was that the Citadel was destroyed, so yeah, rebuilding her might be a plus. IMO she is something iconic in the franchise and would be nice to see her back, or at least a second version of her.
• Yes, how long it takes to rebuild is irrelevant, but again, this is other point that people complain about ME3, how the galaxy was completely ruined. I'm trying to appeal to this people.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I think they do but it's a bit clunky (new quote, copy and past the bits in)

 

Let me know if there's a better way.

 

Hit the light-switch button in the top left corner of the reply toolbar, then break up the quote with HTML code.

[shepskisaac]

If they went with "Quarians just built new Geth because friendship" way in canonized-Destroy, then the least they would have to do to make up for basically retconning their death would be new Geth taking the fact they were sacrificed once already into account, big time. And that would mean big focus on geth again. Not really feeling it again after the first trilogy, would prefer major focus on different/new races

[voteDC]

Were all the Geth really present in that one system at the time? If they weren't then how far did Legion's code upgrade spread and how quickly.

It seem entirely possible to me that there are Geth Enclaves out there without the code upgrade. If the reaper code survived while 'in transit', then we could even have upgraded Geth out there.

[shodiswe]

I prefer control, where Shep AI retracts it's presence from the galaxy. Perhaps send the Reapers into darkspace until the day a galaxy wide invasion threaten all of galactic civilisation or something even worse.

 

If the threat is that huge and technology has advanced then the Reapers might die anyway, only slowing down the threat somewhat.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

There is also no indication that shepard could control the reapers, illusive man tried to control but failed, and shepard was being to slowly indoctrinated as well.

 

Only if you believe in the indoctrination theory. Back in the real world Shepard can control the Reapers because the Catalyst says they can.

 

But of course people who believe in the IT also belive that Catalyst is lying, even though everything it says comes to pass and there's no indication it isn't being completely truthful.

[DeinonSlayer]

Only if you believe in the indoctrination theory. Back in the real world Shepard can control the Reapers because the Catalyst says they can.
 
But of course people who believe in the IT also belive that Catalyst is lying, even though everything it says comes to pass and there's no indication it isn't being completely truthful.

Listen to yourself, you're indoctrinated!

[Steelcan]

Only if you believe in the indoctrination theory. Back in the real world Shepard can control the Reapers because the Catalyst says they can.

 

But of course people who believe in the IT also belive that Catalyst is lying, even though everything it says comes to pass and there's no indication it isn't being completely truthful.

 

Yes, everything it says is true, like the created ALWAYS destroying their creators, and Shepards dying in Destroy, yep, totally legit

[JasonShepard]

Yes, everything it says is true, like the created ALWAYS destroying their creators, and Shepards dying in Destroy, yep, totally legit

 

Technically, the Catalyst only implies that Shepard *might* die in Destroy, not that s/he will. Which is entirely accurate, since Shepard's survival is dependent on EMS.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Technically, the Catalyst only implies that Shepard *might* die in Destroy, not that s/he will. Which is entirely accurate, since Shepard's survival is dependent on EMS.

 

In the original ending I think it said Shepard would die with certainty. For whatever that's worth.

[JasonShepard]

In the original ending I think it said Shepard would die with certainty. For whatever that's worth.

 

The original phrase is just "Even you are partly synthetic," which I would say only suggests the possibility of Shepard's death, rather than treating it as a certainty.

 

(You can check here - it's getting harder and harder to track down the original endings on Youtube...) 

[ImaginaryMatter]

The original phrase is just "Even you are partly synthetic," which I would say only suggests the possibility of Shepard's death, rather than treating it as a certainty.

 

(You can check here - it's getting harder and harder to track down the original endings on Youtube...) 

 

I stand corrected.

[SwobyJ]

Sure, canon Control it is. All for it. Or rather, default story state.

[Scott Sion]

"ME needs a cannon to keep going" - No it doesn't. ME4 is going to be a completely new series and there's no reason to import any ME 1-3 choices. Bioware has stated that Shep's story is 100% over. They can easily have the game take place in either another galaxy or so far in the future that Shep and the Reaper's are just plain history.

 

"They might just vanish, which I see as a compelling way to deal with the matter" - The man/women that spent 3 games trying to save the galaxy is just going to make the Reapers vanish. He/she now has the power to either protect the galaxy or shape it as he/she sees fit and he's just going to say "Nah, **** it" and leave. You find this as compelling and even slightly plausible?

 

"I like the outcome of Rannoch where  both races survive. Why? It creates a interesting scenario to explore." - Your personal preference should not impact cannon, that's just silly.

 

"It's a disservice to the franchise to kill off this possibilities and control solve this issue by keeping them alive" - Why? Because you like the Geth Vs Quarian arc? That makes it a disservice to the franchise? Again, this is your personal preference.

 

"They even changed it on the extended version, where most relays weren't completely destroyed" - Nothing was changed, we just didn't get an epilogue to explain the aftermath before the EC was released. Bioware stated before the EC that endings wouldn't be changed at all upon release of the EC.

 

"The Reapers rebuilding creates a more solid scenario" - A small prothean science team on Ilos was able to create their own prototype mass relay, I think the whole of the galaxy can fix broken relays without the Reapers. 

 

 

Not trying to be rude, mate, but there's absolutely no reason as to why we need a cannon ending.

[SwobyJ]

Canon. The word is canon.

 

Cannons are artillery.