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lol.. you can't expect Herren to be all that loving. In Darkspawn Chronicles, he conjures up a Desire demon. He's secretly a maleficar.
Alternate universe, doesn't count. 
That was...unexpected though, for sure. He doesn't conjure one by the way, he turns into one.
Wow, I must've missed that during my one and only playthrough of that horrible, horrible DLC. Not surprised though, it's full of riciculous ideas.
Like Alistair x Leliana? Pfft!
Traynor's romance, despite being exclusively for FemSheps, is pretty male gazey. I love Traynor, but there's a distinct Cinemax vibe to her love scene and her attraction to EDI gets a bit overplayed by the time the Citadel DLC rolls around. Could you imagine Steve essentially having twenty lines of dialogue about how embarrassing it is that he admitted he wanted to [sexual innuendo] Javik's voice?
Some might also say she had the emotional depth of a toothbrush.
I wanted to like her so much you guys. *puts paper bag back on head*
I don't know. I get the feeling women are more accepted of being openly sexual than men in general. Perhaps it has something to do with being perceived as less threatening and intrusive?
Since Citadel was mentioned, I think I might as well point out that Traynor wasn't the only one. Miranda and Jack can both be half-seriously suggested into having sex by Shepard. Tali drunkingly mentions having a threesome with a female Shepard and Garrus. I know Jack has at least one comment where she says she would have sex with Tali herself if she was drunker. And of course you have EDI responding affectionately to Traynor.
So that's Miranda, Jack, Tali, and even EDI. At least three characters generally considered straight pretty heavily leaning towards other women. And you know what? I approve.
That all seems pretty 'male gaze'y and 'ha, women's sexuality is a joke' y to me...
Wow, I must've missed that during my one and only playthrough of that horrible, horrible DLC. Not surprised though, it's full of riciculous ideas.
Like Alistair x Leliana? Pfft!
The whole thing was all in good fun, and I took it about as seriously as I do Whimsyshire.
I've only placed it once myself. For the standalone DLCs, I found Golems, Leliana's Song and Witch Hunt much more interesting.
Cullen is a LI X_X? Dang! I hope we will have Iron Bull as the second LI. Or a grey warden, or moustache guy
Otherwise my girls will be alone... Or turn lesbians O_o
Cullen is not confirmed as a follower or as a LI, just looking very likely given recent tweets. Assume nothing until we've got Word of God to back that up.
The infamous Carth Syndrome strikes again.
Steve at least didn't do the "You remind me of Robert..." trick. My Shep would've been forever alone had that happened.
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I wanted to like her so much you guys. *puts paper bag back on head*
I mostly like her for being a lifeline to human centric missions. Personality wise, she's charming enough, but her missions say more about her character. She saves Ascension/Jack, Jacob, and clues in on Horizon. During all of the galactic hero stuff, she's the one trying to salvage some of the best of humanity.
Someone told me a funny theory that she's the actual Rasa. Not Maya Brooks. But that's another subject.
So what? Iron Bull has just recently been confirmed, the Warden and Sera still aren't confirmed. Yet we've known about their existance for about a year and it is obvious they are party membersCullen is not confirmed as a follower or as a LI, just looking very likely given recent tweets. Assume nothing until we've got Word of God to back that up.
So what? Iron Bull has just recently been confirmed, the Warden and Sera still aren't confirmed. Yet we've known about their existance for about a year and it is obvious they are party members
So whatever, unfortunately it is way too likely Cullen is a companion
For all we know, Cullen isn't a LI; he could be under the thrall of a Desire Demon as a NPC. Plus, the devs did state that the concept art that was leaked does not show companions only and that a few of them were NPCs. They didn't specify which ones though.
Also, when it comes to Cullen, I have no interest in romancing him either. I'm more looking forward to his character in the party, if he's an actual companion and not a plot important NPC (both of which require a lot of dialogue and VA sessions.)
The Warden, on the other hand..... 
So what? Iron Bull has just recently been confirmed, the Warden and Sera still aren't confirmed. Yet we've known about their existance for about a year and it is obvious they are party members
We have seen them running around in gameplay videos, though. Except for Iron Bull, but he's got concept art. Real concept art, not "Oh, this guy kind of looks like Cullen."
That all seems pretty 'male gaze'y and 'ha, women's sexuality is a joke' y to me...
Pretty much any content that involves any kind of female attractiveness or sex whatsoever can and is accused of being 'male gaze' and a plethora of other unpleasant terms.
Would you have had a problem with it or even noticed it if I hadn't brought it up?
We have seen them running around in gameplay videos, though. Except for Iron Bull, but he's got concept art. Real concept art, not "Oh, this guy kind of looks like Cullen."
It's confirmed that Cullen is in the game and that's it. We've got nothing to concretely state that he's a companion, let alone a LI. There is strong evidence, but that still isn't enough IMHO.
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I just hope Cullen has a good hook. He isn't like Merrill or Isabela in DAO, who came off competent in their own right. He always needs help, so it'll be different having a companion with that history.
Strong enough for meIt's confirmed that Cullen is in the game and that's it. We've got nothing to concretely state that he's a companion, let alone a LI. There is strong evidence, but that still isn't enough IMHO.
Would you have had a problem with it or even noticed it if I hadn't brought it up?
You mean did I notice Miranda and Jack being told to kiss and make up? Or the way too long convo about all the things Traynor wanted to do to EDI's voice? Or that Traynor spends a LOT of her romance/character arc in the bathroom (shower sex scene, TOOTHBRUSH!, hey she likes your hot tub!) Or Diana Allers skin...dress...thing? Or the Asari at Chora's den?
No, I close my eyes and plug my ears while I play video games. Helps with immersion.
Okay, we need to be talking about the same thing here. Which is otherwise straight female characters leaning towards women. Not any kind of sexual attractiveness from any female character ever.
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I thought Allers was ready to jump into a swimming pool. Doesn't hurt to be prepared, I guess. Just in case one shows up.
I thought Allers was ready to jump into a swimming pool. Doesn't hurt to be prepared, I guess. Just in case one shows up.
A swimming pool with a dress code, given her heels.
Pretty much any content that involves any kind of female attractiveness or sex whatsoever can and is accused of being 'male gaze' and a plethora of other unpleasant terms.
I'm thinking female homosexuality being more acceptable, in any case, is still a product of the patriarchy.
Someone said this one thing that has always resonated with me: Homophobic men are afraid gay men will treat them the way that men treat women. So I think you were on the money in one of your other posts where you said something along the lines of female homosexuality being less threatening.
Male gaze... patriarchy... same same. 
Anyway I would be over the moon if we could see wholesome, sweet gay romances in future games, like some of you guys are suggesting. And hetero romances that women can enjoy without getting their ears talked off about the guy's ex.
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Someone said this one thing that has always resonated with me: Straight men are afraid of gay men because they think they'll treat them the way that men treat women.
Wait, which one is afraid of who?
In any case, the only gay man I was afraid of was best friends of a girlfriend of mine. I had no idea what they talked about. 
That someone who told you that was an idiot. No offence.
Wait, which one is afraid of who?
In any case, the only gay man I was afraid of was best friends of a girlfriend of mine. I had no idea what they talked about.
HA!! I've modified my Engrrrishie a little, sorry about the confusion. So many WORDS.
Okay, we need to be talking about the same thing here. Which is otherwise straight female characters leaning towards women. Not any kind of sexual attractiveness from any female character ever.
My initial reply was in both to male gaze related things and also the general atmosphere writing to that view can often lead to; which is that it uses womens sexuality to sensationalize and tantalize for a male audience. Jack and Miranda are gonna kiss? Who is that comment for exactly? Jack would sleep with fan favorite straight romance Tali if she was drunker...who is that for exactly? Asari at ...every night club. I think Ashley explained that pretty sucinctly when she first steps foot in Cora's Den.
I love the Mass Effect series to death, and this is certainly not a Bioware specific problem, its a media one, but these things are all done for the straight male gaze/straight male audience. Furthermore, teasing straight women characters making out with another isn't representation or LGB content. Its simply a perpetuation of the same problem that diminishes and disreguards real women with real same sex attraction. So yes, I notice this stuff when I play the games.
I'm thinking female homosexuality being more acceptable, in any case, is still a product of the patriarchy.
Someone said this one thing that has always resonated with me: Straight men are afraid of gay men because they think they'll treat them the way that men treat women. So I think you were on the money in one of your other posts where you said something along the lines of female homosexuality being less threatening.
Male gaze... patriarchy... same same.
Anyway I would be over the moon if we could see wholesome, sweet gay romances in future games, like some of you guys are suggesting. And hetero romances that women can enjoy without getting their ears talked off about the guy's ex.
I wouldn't say female homosexuality is more acceptable...so much as its...disreguarded to an extent? Like you said, it doesn't threaten men, so why would they be so concerned about it?
If a 12 year old boy kissed another boy, no one is really going to argue that he was confused or they're just friends because why on earth would a guy risk their image of masculinity by being gay? Vs. a girl in the same situation, she'll grow out of it, it's a phase, oh how hot can I watch you two? Even female homosexuality which should by its very nature have nothing to do with men, gets turned into something FOR men.
That someone who told you that was an idiot. No offence.
You mean my post? Well let me know specifically what you think.
(The quote isn't about all straight men of course - just homophobic ones.)
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