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While I empathize with the frustration of dealing with (un)romantic interactions going astray (and will openly admit that I have been the clueless guy as well), the woes of real life human interactions has probably gone on enough to distract from the topic in general?
Unless someone can show that I'm mistaken, I vote we pull it back in to Romances in BioWare's games again.
Oh, somehow I find that hard to believe, Allan. Surely you're quite the ladies man. 
No prob, Al.
I hope Cassandra is a LI. She is strong, confident, and passionate.
+1.
Especially if my ladyInquisitor can romance her.
Oh, somehow find that hard to believe, Allan. Surely you're quite the ladies man.
That's a lot of sass to handle, though! 
Back on topic, Varric is still the one I sadly pine for. We shall see if DA2 continues the trend of Varric pining for Bianca, PC pining for Varric, and so the circle of sadness and *forever alone* goes.
*sad trombone*
The issue is more the lack of choice a straight female Shepard is offered in comparison. This thread now seems to be completely about homosexual relationships, but actually, I feel the straight female character has been getting the short end of the stick in most Bioware games too. It is the most difficult for a straight female to get a happy ending with her lover. Only the straight female can get dumped by her romance (Alistair and Jacob). Only the straight female's romance gets killed no matter what (Thane) instead of saving them by meeting certain conditions (Tali and Miranda) or has to let her romance sleep with someone else to have them both live (Alistair). Only the straight female is deceived by her romance (Anders, though that's what you get for getting in a relationship with an abomination to begin with). Though this last one also applies for the homosexual male character, as DA2's options for those were the same.
I cannot like this post enough. I've taken issue with this for a while. You should add Vega too, wasn't THAT a big ol slap in the face for wanting a male romance that didn't result in instant death or dumping 
. The message was, you could have him but only if he's drunk off his face , the implications of this was troubling to say the least. Anyway, I'm hoping I won't have to worry about being punished for being female in Inquisition this time. I don't know why this has become a trend in Bioware games but I don't like it all. Please can I have a male romance that doesn't have unavoidable death, cheating and dumping or unfair conditions I need to meet (that the male pc doesn't have) in order to get a happy ending.
I too hope Cassandra is a LI. I don't think I've actually ever romanced a woman in a game... hopefully Cass will be my first!
I enjoy the romances of the DA and ME universe and the fact that I can pretty easily be bi in both games, and would hate to see them gone. I latch onto whatever representation I can get at this point so BW would have to wow me with something huge and wonderful in regards to LGB representation to get me to be okay with removing romances. I would love it even more if they managed to include representation for other sexualities and genders as well but I don't keep my hopes up on that.
I would still buy the games because I love the DA universe, but unless they were really inclusive in LGB content, I would mark DA down as another disappointment on my rather long list of media that claimed to be progressive and open towards the LGBTQ community but didn't live up to my expectations, or eventually went right back down the hetropath. Right up there along with Sherlock, DW, TW, and many, many other formally beloved TV shows, video-games and book series.
On another note, my dreams of having a male love interest that isn't a blond white boy from previous games have been severely damaged at this point with the rumors of Cullan being an LI and companion. Kinda hoping there is still a chance he is an NPC romance so there is more possibility of either another female companion or hot Older Bearded Warden Guy, but I'm happy for all the Cullan lovers on here! 
I like to think of myself as a BW romance connoisseur. (I've done em all but Jacob's, which I would have done--eventually--if they hadn't entirely pissed me off with what happened in ME3)
In Inquisition, I'd really like to have something non-tragic, and not completely overly dramatic. I loved Anders. Loved him. But, his romance was ultimately tinged with the fact that his life was a disaster. Fenris was probably never in a good headspace for romance until Act 3, after your QB quest, and if you supported him. Isabela, my dearest, dearest Isabela, is also a tricky one due to her dualistic motivations. Merrill was similarly obsessed with her own problems, to the detriment of her relationships with everyone. Origins was slightly better about this, but still...the main ones--as in the ones with the most development--had all sorts of caveats to them. Not that I want a romance free of caveats. I just want it to be more...honest? A bit less on the secret agenda and possible ulterior motives. At least one with genuine affection that works alongside the plot. Not one that makes me wonder if they truly cared at all to begin with or if it was a part of a plan.
Maybe a little less of the "I've been burned in the past, so my heart is slow to give affection" or "Love is for fools" type romances.
Maybe one that's, hey we share these goals in common, we watch each other's back...hey, you're the one for me. Not terribly exciting, maybe, but I basically want my Dragon Age version of the Garrus Romance...I do. I think it'd be perfect. And lovely. Please. Please. Please. Give me my Thedas-equivolent of a Space Boyfriend. (Only, it can be of either gender. Romanced by either gender. I'm not picky.)
Maybe a little less of the "I've been burned in the past, so my heart is slow to give affection"
Ooh yes, less of this please! I have enough of that stupid drama in my real life, thank you very much.
It doesn't change the fact that the foundation of the rivalmances and some of the content is deeply problematic. That exists in the game whether I use it or not and, whether I use it or not, people are going to play that and think it's perfectly normal and healthy when it's absolutely not.
I'm not against rivalmances that also treat both partners with respect and don't evoke RL abuse, but DA2 failed on that front.
I'd argue that both Anders and Isabela rivalmances are healthy.
Howso? Rivalmancing Anders causes his mind to fracture to the point where he has long periods of time where he's blacked out due to Justice taking over him.
I did like the rivalrymances though there really should've been more moments where the romance auto ended (Being a bloodmage with Fenris and Anders for one).
Though Anders sticking with Rivalry Hawke can make sense if you see it as him using Hawke for his/her status and protection.
If my PC is forced to sticking with apostates for reasons despite being markedly pro templar that can work with the companions with them. Hopefully DAI fixes both sides of the issue. Companions aren't sticking around characters they should loathe and my PC isn't forced to drag around a companion that serves only to undermine their characterization and could just as well serve their role in the plot without being in the PC's party. Win win really. Being able to dismiss companions should thankfully help with that.
And if they are forced on the PC can the PC at least express disapproval/disliking of them? Just verbally. "You wouldn't be here if you weren't useful." with the companion responding similarly would be fantastic.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 avril 2014 - 11:16 .
I too hope Cassandra is a LI. I don't think I've actually ever romanced a woman in a game... hopefully Cass will be my first!Y
Same. I'm bisexual and I really wanted to romance a girl but I didn't really like Leliana that much and all the jokes about Isabela being ridden with STDs kinda turned me off that relationship. I guess that's what Anders is there for though.
Howso? Rivalmancing Anders causes his mind to fracture to the point where he has long periods of time where he's blacked out due to Justice taking over him.
I wouldn't say it was healthy, but to rivalmance Anders you did not need to support the Templars, you simply had to be open to hearing both sides and not believing all mages are flawless. I found Anders was also less fanatical by the end of his rivalmance, a little more willing to actually hear both sides and less likely to jump to conclusions. I wouldn't say it was physically or emotionaly good for him, but I also hated how in the friendmance you agreed with everything he did before the finale. I think it wasn't good for him to have someone who pandered to him all the time either but it was probably the healthier option of the two.
If you rivalmance him and side with the templars, it becomes clear he is using you and ignores your warnings. It is actually pretty abusive on both sides, but he is much more obsessive. He is desperate to prove that you are wrong but still keep your love.
I thought though, that if you rivalmance him, he has blackouts because he is becoming less involved with the movement by the end, and Justice is trying to take control so that he can finish the work they set out to do?
As far as what personality type of romance we get, I would really, really love a promiscuous love interest that doesn't also have serious emotional unavailability issues. We've seen this with Isabela, Zevran, Morrigan and, in ME, I remember Jack being a perfect example of this. It's getting old and, honestly, a little offensive that sexually confident, open characters always have a massive part of their character arch in learning how to be emotionally available. Seriously, not every person that is open to casual sex has been sexually abused, or was betrayed by an ex-lover that destroyed their faith in relationships, or is selfish and unable to connect to other human beings, or any of these other tropes. I would like to see more LIs that are open to casual sex without having any weird baggage attached to it and without it implying they didn't really like sex and were just using it as subterfuge for their broken heart of gold all along.
Howso? Rivalmancing Anders causes his mind to fracture to the point where he has long periods of time where he's blacked out due to Justice taking over him.
As far as what personality type of romance we get, I would really, really love a promiscuous love interest that doesn't also have serious emotional unavailability issues. We've seen this with Isabela, Zevran, Morrigan and, in ME, I remember Jack being a perfect example of this. It's getting old and, honestly, a little offensive that sexually confident, open characters always have a massive part of their character arch in learning how to be emotionally available. Seriously, not every person that is open to casual sex has been sexually abused, or was betrayed by an ex-lover that destroyed their faith in relationships, or is selfish and unable to connect to other human beings, or any of these other tropes. I would like to see more LIs that are open to casual sex without having any weird baggage attached to it and without it implying they didn't really like sex and were just using it as subterfuge for their broken heart of gold all along.
I wish I could like this more than once.
I thought before DA2 Isabela was going to be like this but nope. She too was sold as a child and has attachment issues.
Broken heart of gold
I wonder if this time, there'll be LIs who don't mind to share the Inquisitor with someone else...
There are people out there who don't mind being someone's concubine. Or if, depending on the Inquisitor's racial/national background, poligamy would be acceptable.
What if that's normal in Tevinter or the Anderfels, for instance?
+1.
Especially if my ladyInquisitor can romance her.
She's a chantrist, homosexuality isn't approved by the Chantry, I don't even know how Leliana can romance another girl.
Same. I'm bisexual and I really wanted to romance a girl but I didn't really like Leliana that much and all the jokes about Isabela being ridden with STDs kinda turned me off that relationship. I guess that's what Anders is there for though.
What about Merrill?
I hope we have some info on DA:I LI soon, before this thread explode lol
Anyhow, I'm hoping straight female PC will have better LI option this time. I mean what happen to good old strong, trustworthy male LI? (like Garrus for instance). I'm really tired of all those whiny, emotional wrecks that they keeps throwing us lol Whenever I play a female character, I feel like my female PC is a big babysitter dealing with bunch of whiny boys instead of having a partners that she can trust and work with.
She's a chantrist, homosexuality isn't approved by the Chantry, I don't even know how Leliana can romance another girl.
The Chantry never said anything about homosexuality , the current Divine got "seduced" by Leliana's ex girlfriend...
She's a chantrist, homosexuality isn't approved by the Chantry, I don't even know how Leliana can romance another girl.
Um...where did you get that from?
The Chantry doesn't seem to care one way or the other. It's the mages that they have issues with.
I wonder if this time, there'll be LIs who don't mind to share the Inquisitor with someone else...
There are people out there who don't mind being someone's concubine. Or if, depending on the Inquisitor's racial/national background, poligamy would be acceptable.
What if that's normal in Tevinter or the Anderfels, for instance?
Couldn't you become Alistair's mistress and a hardened Leliana would become a HN's if he married Anora when she was hardened and didn't speak to her again til the coronation?
Did you read the short story about Anders before he left for Kirkwall? One of the first things that Justice does is mindjack Anders and cause him to kill people. This is how Justice responds to Anders resisting him, which I think is a good sign that he should be resisted.
Yes, I did. Still, I don't know that I agree, at least with thinking it's healthier. I don't think that getting involved with someone and spending your entire relationship trying to change them is healthy. Even if you think it's for the best.
David Gaider did a blog post about how polyamory was unlikely mostly because of the difficulty in programming it, but that's mostly the question of completing romances with multiple people. It doesn't seem as complicated to just have the tone of the relationship suggest that it's open.
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