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[Darth Krytie]

I wouldn't say it was healthy, but to rivalmance Anders you did not need to support the Templars, you simply had to be open to hearing both sides and not believing all mages are flawless. I found Anders was also less fanatical by the end of his rivalmance, a little more willing to actually hear both sides and less likely to jump to conclusions. I wouldn't say it was physically or emotionaly good for him, but I also hated how in the friendmance you agreed with everything he did before the finale. I think it wasn't good for him to have someone who pandered to him all the time either but it was probably the healthier option of the two.

 

If you rivalmance him and side with the templars, it becomes clear he is using you and ignores your warnings. It is actually pretty abusive on both sides, but he is much more obsessive. He is desperate to prove that you are wrong but still keep your love.

 

I thought though, that if you rivalmance him, he has blackouts because he is becoming less involved with the movement by the end, and Justice is trying to take control so that he can finish the work they set out to do?

 

I know. I played through both versions. I just don't believe it's healthy. I don't think any of the rivalmances are healthy. I found a lot of the choices to be dismissive and with a tendency to steamroller over the agency of the LI. Almost all of your dialogue is fairly aggressive with them, and the romance seems to be in spite of it. The challenging of ideology seems to be only conceded to because Hawke is more forceful than because the LI had a genuine change of heart. It wasn't agree to disagree. It seemed to me more on kin of emotional manipulation more than anything. Change because I love you. Change because I won't if you don't.

 

I didn't say they had no function in a romance or that they weren't interesting in their own right. Just that I wouldn't claim healthy. To be honest, I wouldn't claim healthy on the friendship side, for the most part, either.

 

For Anders, it's largely dependent on whether you agree or disagree with what he's doing. Same with Merrill. With Isabela, I found the friendship romance nice and I never gave her the ship in the end. Fenris is a tricky one because I don't think he's necessarily wrong to feel what he feels, even if it seems excessive to people on the outside of it. Sometimes a life time isn't enough to cope with where he came from, what he's lived through. Either romance seems kinda twitchy, tbh.

[Seishoujyo]

Um...where did you get that from?

 

The Chantry doesn't seem to care one way or the other. It's the mages that they have issues with.

 

Because Gaider said religion in Thedas is based on the religion in Europe (middle age) to explain the lack of atheists in the game, so if Gaider wants to be honest with his writing and logic you shouldn't be able to have a homosexual romance if you believe in the Maker and you re a member of the Chantry, homosexuality was and is still banned by every religion nowdays.

 

Just look at Sebastian, you can't romance him if you re a guy because he's a real chantrist.

[Vapaa]

What about Merrill?

 

Well, the naive type can be offputting for some people

 

 

Because Gaider said religion in Thedas is based on the religion in Europe (middle age) to explain the lack of atheists in the game, so if Gaider wants to be honest with his writing and logic you shouldn't be able to have a homosexual romance if you believe in the Maker and you re a member of the Chantry, homosexuality was and is still banned by every religion nowdays.

 

He also said (or rather, the lore says)  that homosexuality is a non issue in Thedas, and even less so in Orlais, which is, you know were the Chantry is the strongest

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Because Gaider said religion in Thedas is based on the religion in Europe (middle age) to explain the lack of atheists in the game, so if Gaider wants to be honest with his writing and logic you shouldn't be able to have a homosexual romance if you believe in the Maker and you re a member of the Chantry, homosexuality was and is still banned by every religion nowdays.

 

Just look at Sebastian, you can't romance him if you re a guy because he's a real chantrist.

Based on, not exactly the same. The Chantry also is led by women, which no religion in medieval times were. 

[Darth Krytie]

Just look at Sebastian, you can't romance him if you re a guy because he's a real chantrist.

 

No, it's because Sebastian is a heterosexual.

[Zered]

homosexuality was and is still banned by every religion nowdays.

 

 

Wrong. There's a lot of protestant churces that support homosexuality nowadays.

[Ryzaki]

Because Gaider said religion in Thedas is based on the religion in Europe (middle age) to explain the lack of atheists in the game, so if Gaider wants to be honest with his writing and logic you shouldn't be able to have a homosexual romance if you believe in the Maker and you re a member of the Chantry, homosexuality was and is still banned by every religion nowdays.

 

Just look at Sebastian, you can't romance him if you re a guy because he's a real chantrist.

 

beaten to death. XD

[AresKeith]

Just look at Sebastian, you can't romance him if you re a guy because he's a real chantrist.

 

Or he just has a preference

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The lore states homosexuality is only seen as a minor quirk in Thedas. It's never been stated to be "banned" by the Chantry. 

[Iron Fist]

Well, the naive type can be offputting for some people

 

Yeah, I romanced Merrill during my first DA2 playthrough (because elf women   and Eve Myles  ).

But the whole experience made me feel like I was robbing the cradle. 

 

After that, Isabela was my only option.

[Maria Caliban]

Yes, I did. Still, I don't know that I agree, at least with thinking it's healthier.  I don't think that getting involved with someone and spending your entire relationship trying to change them is healthy. Even if you think it's for the best.

I don't think getting involved with someone and spending your entire relationship enabling their addictions or mental illnesses is healthy.

[Seishoujyo]

Based on, not exactly the same. The Chantry also is led by women, which no religion in medieval times were. 

 

Not in Tevinter, the big boss is a man.

 

Well, the naive type can be offputting for some people

 

 

 

He also said (or rather, the lore says)  that homosexuality is a non issue in Thedas, and even less so in Orlais, which is, you know were the Chantry is the strongest

 

A non issue ? Where did you see that ?

 

Wrong. There's a lot of protestant churces that support homosexuality nowadays.

 

Who cares about protestant churches, catholic are the main church in christian religion, and homosexuality isn't approved, period.

 

Well to tell the truth I don't care, I think it's just really stupid to have every character being homosexual, Bioware should calm down with this it's getting annoying, same thing in Mass Effect 3 with Kaidan who's hetero in ME1 and in ME3 ******, wtf ?

[AresKeith]

Time to jump ship before the inevitable happens

[Darth Krytie]

I don't think getting involved with someone and spending your entire relationship enabling their addictions or mental illnesses is healthy.

 

I never claimed the friendship path was healthy. I just said the rivalry path wasn't. There's a difference between not enabling addictions and Hawke's methods. If you see Anders as a person with a mental illness, which is a fair claim, then how Hawke treats him is really terrible. Even if his intent is good. It does nothing to actually solve the problem. Instead, only makes it worse--in my perspective. You can't bludgeon people with mental illnesses into being better.

[Zered]

I can only see that this will end bad. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not in Tevinter, the big boss is a man.

That's the Black Chantry, not the regular Chantry. 

[Vapaa]

Not in Tevinter, the big boss is a man.

 

Tevinter is not the Chantry, it's the Imperial chantry (and no, there're not the same, they explicitly cut ties)

[Ryzaki]

Time to jump ship before the inevitable happens

 

Oh man why did you say it?

 

*hugs rivalmances close*

 

I do wish the more LOL insulting dialogue had at least ended the romances though. Even if it was hilariously douchebaggy to say. "Best way to do that is to show me you're competent!" ...you could still romance Ashley after saying that too XD

[Zyree]

I know. I played through both versions. I just don't believe it's healthy. I don't think any of the rivalmances are healthy. I found a lot of the choices to be dismissive and with a tendency to steamroller over the agency of the LI. Almost all of your dialogue is fairly aggressive with them, and the romance seems to be in spite of it. The challenging of ideology seems to be only conceded to because Hawke is more forceful than because the LI had a genuine change of heart. It wasn't agree to disagree. It seemed to me more on kin of emotional manipulation more than anything. Change because I love you. Change because I won't if you don't.

 

I didn't say they had no function in a romance or that they weren't interesting in their own right. Just that I wouldn't claim healthy. To be honest, I wouldn't claim healthy on the friendship side, for the most part, either.

 

For Anders, it's largely dependent on whether you agree or disagree with what he's doing. Same with Merrill. With Isabela, I found the friendship romance nice and I never gave her the ship in the end. Fenris is a tricky one because I don't think he's necessarily wrong to feel what he feels, even if it seems excessive to people on the outside of it. Sometimes a life time isn't enough to cope with where he came from, what he's lived through. Either romance seems kinda twitchy, tbh.

 

Why would we agree to disagree? I stated twice that I didn't think it was healthy. I was agreeing with you. I just felt that it offered an interesting perspective on what Anders could be like if his LI didn't pander to everything he did, in that he actually begins to not be so single-minded and is willing to talk more about all sides and fight Justice's influence... I don't thin it is the better route, I just felt it offered an interesting narrative,

 

I also agree that both of Anders' romances were not healthy, but in either I felt that Anders was dishing out just as much unhealthiness as Hawke. And in the case of the friendmance, it's like what Maria said, you are enabling his actions and making him more reckless and dangerous.

[Mes]

Not in Tevinter, the big boss is a man.

 

 

A non issue ? Where did you see that ?

 

 

Who cares about protestant churches, catholic are the main church in christian religion, and homosexuality isn't approved, period.

 

Well to tell the truth I don't care, I think it's just really stupid to have every character being homosexual, Bioware should calm down with this it's getting annoying, same thing in Mass Effect 3 with Kaidan who's hetero in ME1 and in ME3 ******, wtf ?

 

Dude homosexuality is pretty much never commented on in the games as something that anyone opposes, cares about, or even notices. You can gay it up with your companions wherever you like and no one will bat an eyelid. Wynne will stand there and watch you and sigh about "young love" and that's about it.

 

I loved that they opened up Kaidan as a romance option for men and women in ME3. It made a lot of sense for my male Shepard playthrough, with the way I imagined and played my character.

 

Why are you annoyed by it, anyway? Giving people more options is always a good thing.

[Phate Phoenix]

(You know, I wish there was a way to click on a username and block them right there instead of having to and copy-paste the name in a different window. Unless I've been doing it wrong?)

 

I'm curious about how romances might be gated. Do you think that, akin to how Anders would terminate the relationship if you allow Torpor to possess Feynriel, the LI's will have events that cause they to leave you? I hope so.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well to tell the truth I don't care, I think it's just really stupid to have every character being homosexual, Bioware should calm down with this it's getting annoying, same thing in Mass Effect 3 with Kaidan who's hetero in ME1 and in ME3 ******, wtf ?

Well, originally in Mass Effect 1 both Kaidan and Ashley were going to be bisexual, but it was cut in the last minute. The dialogue is still on the discs even. 

[Darth Krytie]

Why would we agree to disagree? I stated twice that I didn't think it was healthy. I was agreeing with you. I just felt that it offered an interesting perspective on what Anders could be like if his LI didn't pander to everything he did, in that he actually begins to not be so single-minded and is willing to talk more about all sides and fight Justice's influence... I don't thin it is the better route, I just felt it offered an interesting narrative,

 

I also agree that both of Anders' romances were not healthy, but in either I felt that Anders was dishing out just as much unhealthiness as Hawke. And in the case of the friendmance, it's like what Maria said, you are enabling his actions and making him more reckless and dangerous.

 

I was referring to the relationships with "agree to disagree", not you.

 

To clarify: In the rivalmance, we're not given the option of 'agree to disagree' with the LI. It primarily consists of trying to force them to change their minds to your way of thinking.

[Iron Fist]

My fellow forumites, can't we all just agree that virtual wooing (regardless of one's orientation or preference) is awesome? 

[Vapaa]

Well, originally in Mass Effect 1 both Kaidan and Ashley were going to be bisexual, but it was cut in the last minute. The dialogue is still on the discs even. 

 

Well, no, but let's not get into that.